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[AFC NimbleThumb]

No coach, I repeat, no coach can be successful under these conditions.

Can other coaches not lose 14 games by New Year?

This fanbase have tanked expectations to a generational low to such an extent success is league cup & a distant 3rd place. Some were even stalking about a potential step back this year.

The club is not set up to win the best things consistently but in no small part the poor managers employed have not exceeded modest expectations.

 

[horsechoker]

Can other coaches not lose 14 games by New Year?

This fanbase have tanked expectations to a generational low to such an extent success is league cup & a distant 3rd place. Some were even stalking about a potential step back this year.

The club is not set up to win the best things consistently but in no small part the poor managers employed have not exceeded modest expectations.

I don't accept the fanbase have lower standards, people still expect Manchester United to be a team that wins major trophies. I think fans accept that the club needs major changes behind the scenes and we are hopefully getting that now.

People aren't really fighting to protect ten Hag anymore, it's just letting the situation play out until something more meaningful can be done.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

I don't accept the fanbase have lower standards, people still expect Manchester United to be a team that wins major trophies. I think fans accept that the club needs major changes behind the scenes and we are hopefully getting that now.

People aren't really fighting to protect ten Hag anymore, it's just letting the situation play out until something more meaningful can be done.

Nah lad.

 

[horsechoker]

Nah lad.

There's being realistic too, ultimately the fans expect the club to go back to the top.

 

[Stinkypete]

If Blanc isn’t installed as CeO it casts further doubt on a deal many on here were waxing lyrical over.

Only to those who were totally against the idea and blinded by quatari PR.

Wether Blanc gets the CEO position or not is irrelevant, he is on the board as per the deal. Journalists probably saw Blanc was involved, know of his work as a CEO and put two and two together to get 7.

Ultimately a CEO is mainly a part of the commercial arm of the business, and as such not the sporting side which INEOS are in control of.

 

[reddev3]

Can other coaches not lose 14 games by New Year?

This fanbase have tanked expectations to a generational low to such an extent success is league cup & a distant 3rd place. Some were even stalking about a potential step back this year.

The club is not set up to win the best things consistently but in no small part the poor managers employed have not exceeded modest expectations.

This coach can do that.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

There's being realistic too, ultimately the fans expect the club to go back to the top.

You’re being pedantic. We’re not doing this on this Sunday.

Expectations as that thread show we’re not for us to win the league in the immediate term. All fans hope their team will be at the top ‘ultimately’.

You’re better than this choker.

Only to those who were totally against the idea and blinded by quatari PR.

Wether Blanc gets the CEO position or not is irrelevant, he is on the board as per the deal. Journalists probably saw Blanc was involved, know of his work as a CEO and put two and two together to get 7.

Ultimately a CEO is mainly a part of the commercial arm of the business, and as such not the sporting side which INEOS are in control of.

The only one blinded by ‘Qatari PR’ here would be you who’s pulled them out of nowhere. Time to discuss SjR/Ineos on their own merits.

The epitome of strawman there lad.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

This coach can do that.

So did Ole, Moyes, & Jose.

They were all sacked for less.

Edit: I forgot LvG.

 

[Stinkypete]

You’re being pedantic. We’re not doing this on this Sunday.

Expectations as that thread show we’re not for us to win the league in the immediate term. All fans hope their team will be at the top ‘ultimately’.

You’re better than this choker.

The only one blinded by ‘Qatari PR’ here would be you who’s pulled them out of nowhere. Time to discuss SjR/Ineos on their own merits.

The epitome of strawman there lad.

Well either Quatari PR or journalist fabrication based on assumptions.

Blanc could quite easily have always been intended as a member on the board representing the sporting division of INEOS which he is as per the deal, and the CEO talk journalist assumption based on his former football role as a CEO.

The commercial side doesn't need a CEO with Football experience. Richard Arnold for all his faults managed to get a record breaking Adidas deal over the line and negotiate the shirt sponsors. Woodward was a poor football director but got us some very good sponsorship deals at a time when the product on the pitch was poor and the talent was less than stellar.

Ultimately if its not Blanc in the CEO role it has no bearing on the INEOS deal in making a judgement, let's judge them on the sporting hires and decisions and let the overall board run the commercial side, hell, Blanc will be a part of the decision either way.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

Well either Quatari PR or journalist fabrication based on assumptions.

None of this has to do with Blanc as CeO & you’ve brought it into the discussion for no reason.

Your next 3 paragraphs show you can address Blanc/Ineos directly so what has Qatar got to do with it?

 

[reddev3]

So did Ole, Moyes, & Jose.

They were all sacked for less.

Edit: I forgot LvG.

So what was your point then?

 

[VP89]

So did Ole, Moyes, & Jose.
They were all sacked for less.

This is just outright silly to be honest.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

This is just outright silly to be honest.

The art of furthering a discussion appears to be rather silly to you too.

None of the above lost 14 games prior to a New Year & were all eventually deemed not good enough. If that fact is sill to you then so be it.

 

[VP89]

The art of furthering a discussion appears to be rather silly to you too.

None of the above lost 14 games prior to a New Year & were all eventually deemed not good enough. If that fact is sill to you then so be it.

The art of cherry picking stats is what is silly. Moyes took over a title winning team and was mathematically out of top 4. Ole had 3.5 years in and showed a complete collapse with no circumstance around it when the plug was pulled.

The idea that those two managers were sacked for less is daft.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

So what was your point then?

. . .

No coach, I repeat, no coach can be successful under these conditions.

Can other coaches not lose 14 games by New Year?

You then chimed in with a one liner ignoring the rest of the above post.

This fanbase have tanked expectations to a generational low to such an extent success is league cup & a distant 3rd place. Some were even stalking about a potential step back this year.

The club is not set up to win the best things consistently but in no small part the poor managers employed have not exceeded modest expectations.

So the what’s your point exactly?

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

The art of cherry picking stats is what is silly. Moyes took over a title winning team and was mathematically out of top 4. Ole had 3.5 years in and showed a complete collapse with no circumstance around it when the plug was pulled.

The idea that those two managers were sacked for less is daft.

Whats daft are people expecting a manager who has presided over a historically poor record this year to suddenly improve things when they the pressure of Ineos will actually increase expectations.

The point is, any manager of Manchester United that loses the games he has in such a period should be sacked. That’s not cherry picking stats, but it’s a forum you’re renowned for throwing buzz words around on.

You can try to subvert the focus from the topic all you like.

 

[VP89]

Whats daft are people expecting a manager who has presided over a historically poor record this year to suddenly improve things when they the pressure of Ineos will actually increase expectations.

The point is, any manager of Manchester United that loses the games he has in such a period should be sacked. That’s not cherry picking stats, but it’s a forum you’re renowned for throwing buzz words around on.

You can try to subvert the focus from the topic all you like.

I am not the one extrapolating what happens from here on with our current manager. I'm calling out a daft claim that Ole and Moyes were sacked for less, when they really fecking weren't. Ole achieved literally nothing in 3.5 years and had the team in a worse spot than what he found them in. Moyes was mathematically out of the top 4 with a title winning squad. That is way worse than a manager losing a lot of games in a season where he has far more injury problems than those before him.

I'm not subverting shit, I'm calling out bullshit on this notion that 2 managers were sacked for less. You are the one subverting by guesstimating on what happens from here on.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

I am not the one extrapolating what happens from here on with our current manager. I'm calling out a daft claim that Ole and Moyes were sacked for less, when they really fecking weren't. Ole achieved literary nothing in 3.5 years and had the team in a worse spot than what he found them in. Moyes was mathematically out of the top 4 with a title winning squad. That is way worse than a manager losing a lot of games in a season where he has far more injury problems than those before him.

I'm not subverting shit, I'm calling out bullshit on this notion that 2 managers were sacked for less. You are the one subverting by guesstimating on what happens from here on.

Your attempts to be volatile aren’t landing.

It’s near enough impossible to discuss EtH currently without discussing the previous incumbents as had he been the manager to follow SAF & have lost how he has this season he’d have been sacked already.

You struggling with facts isn’t calling out shit. No other manager post Fergie has lost at such a rate & eventually all were deemed inadequate. That’s not ‘daft’, it’s the truth.

No amount of ‘shit’ or ‘daft’ changes that fact so either move the discussion on or jog on cause you lacking the ability to understand that fact is tiring.

Shouting about Ole being crap, Moyes being crap, Jose being crap doesn’t change EtH being another poor Glazer appointment.

 

[VP89]

Your attempts to be volatile aren’t landing.

It’s near enough impossible to discuss EtH currently without discussing the previous incumbents as had he been the manager to follow SAF & have lost how he has this season he’d have been sacked already.

You struggling with facts isn’t calling out shit. No other manager post Fergie has lost at such a rate & eventually all were deemed inadequate. That’s not ‘daft’, it’s the truth.

No amount of ‘shit’ or ‘daft’ changes that fact so either move the discussion on or jog on cause you lacking the ability to understand that fact is tiring.

Shouting about Ole being crap, Ole being crap, Jose being crap doesn’t change EtH being another poor Glazer appointment.

Im not trying to be volatile. I'm calling out a daft insinuation that two other managers were sacked for less when they weren't. I then presented you with the facts as to why.

You can move on now.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

Im not trying to be volatile. I'm calling out a daft insinuation that two other managers were sacked for less when they weren't. I then presented you with the facts as to why.

You can move on now.

Let’s end this.

Have any previous United managers post-Fergie lost at this rate in this amount of time & survived?

I’ll do you the favour before you waffle on further. The answer is no.

&. . .

No amount of ‘shit’ or ‘daft’ changes that fact so either move the discussion on or jog on cause you lacking the ability to understand that fact is tiring.

Enjoy the game.

 

[Berbaclass]

Is Ratcliffe parachuting onto the centre-circle?

 

[VP89]

Let’s end this.

Have any previous United managers post-Fergie lost at this rate in this amount of time & survived?

I’ll do you the favour before you waffle on further. The answer is no.

&. . .

Enjoy the game.

He has a win % that's basically on par with Ferguson. Check me out I can play with stats too. Point being, isolating one statistic on x many losses is generally not a clever way to evaluate a manager. There are many facets that go into it and the fact that you're hung up about one stat shows you can't actually argue your point.

I ended 'it' a post ago, now you can enjoy the game. Wanted to call out your bollocks and I did, I don't have an interest to do more.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

He has a win % that's basically on par with Ferguson. Check me out I can play with stats too.

Speaking of cherry picking stats are those figures trending upwards or downwards?

[See , this is how you question points without swearing & bashing away at your keyboard]

His stats also look good when pitched alongside Klopp’s & Arteta’s, but aside from ‘other managers one did. . . ‘ how does his current performance, you know 14 losses before New Year, warrant being kept on?

Oh yes, injuries. Cause no other club gets those.

 

[Berbaclass]

Ratcliffe has arrived

 

[Gavinb33]

Let’s end this.

Have any previous United managers post-Fergie lost at this rate in this amount of time & survived?

I’ll do you the favour before you waffle on further. The answer is no.

&. . .

Enjoy the game.

Let's be clear this manager will be sacked but to do it now if you cannot get your number one choice and then scrapping around for an interim with interim coaches is not going to do anything for this season I doubt we'd even get any new manager bounce out of it because the teams mental state.

In reality the interim manager is ten Hag he has to prove to the new guys he can do it and has 4 months to turn it around.

 

[Adamsk7]

Blanc is so suave. Can’t help wanting him as CEO. He looks like a French secret agent. Those are mare probably still better credentials than our previous two.

 

[reddev3]

. . .


You then chimed in with a one liner ignoring the rest of the above post.

So the what’s your point exactly?

I didn't ignore the above post, the other guy said "no manager would be successful under this regime" and you made the sarky comment "can other coaches not lose 14 games by new year" obviously implying that ETH isn't good enough and should be sacked for someone that doesn't lose 14 games by new year.

I pointed out that your sarky comment didn't make sense as ETH can already do what you were asking for as proven by last year, that was my point.

I'm not even sure ETH is good enough myself anymore, I just took issue with that comment as you were making it sound like he's the worse manager ever which isn't true.

We'll see how he finishes this season as the excuses have nearly ran out now with his players coming back and fewer games to play and if we don't drastically improve i'm sure he will rightly be replaced in the summer.

EDIT: To be clear if we could get De Zerbi or Zidane in today I would sack him before the 4.30 kick off but that isn't going to happen so we might as well give him the chance to finish the season and see if the likes of Mount, Casemiro and Martinez etc being fit does change things like he says and most people seem to think.

 

[VP89]

Speaking of cherry picking stats are those figures trending upwards or downwards?

[See , this is how you question points without swearing & bashing away at your keyboard]

His stats also look good when pitched alongside Klopp’s & Arteta’s, but aside from ‘other managers one did. . . ‘ how does his current performance, you know 14 losses before New Year, warrant being kept on?

Oh yes, injuries. Cause no other club gets those.

Very few clubs have had our level of injuries, and the injury point is massive (which is probably why you're trying to gloss over it with an ill informed "every team has injuries" generic reply).

If Ole had the same injuries he'd not have been close to the amount of wins. Also the trend isn't relevant to the point, as you said two other managers were sacked for less and relied on one stat to suggest this, which is a daft way to evaluate things.

If ten hag doesn't change the trend he should be sacked and I'd agree. But you claimed two managers were sacked for less when they very obviously weren't. There's so many other reasons that go into sackings, not least one being when players very visibly have given up on a coach and don't bother running show hands on hips etc. All whilst being terrible in form.

As I said, I don't have an interest in taking this thread off topic for too long, and I'm done with this sub debate.

 

[Berbaclass]

 

[Berbaclass]

 

[Telsim]

"largest single shareholder"

 

[Berbaclass]

"largest single shareholder"

What's wrong with that statement?

 

[The Mitcher]

Let's be clear this manager will be sacked but to do it now if you cannot get your number one choice and then scrapping around for an interim with interim coaches is not going to do anything for this season I doubt we'd even get any new manager bounce out of it because the teams mental state.

In reality the interim manager is ten Hag he has to prove to the new guys he can do it and has 4 months to turn it around.

Why can't we get another interim?

 

[Licha-Vidic]

• Sir Jim Ratcliffe is hopeful his deal to purchase a 25 per cent stake in Manchester United will be official by mid February.
• The British billionaire was speaking as he attended Old Trafford for Manchester United’s Premier League game with Tottenham Hotspur on Sunday.
• Ratcliffe is currently awaiting league approval after his petrochemical company, INEOS, completed their deal to take a minority stake of the club last month.

 

[Gavinb33]

Why can't we get another interim?

I just don't see the point as soon as we sack EtH all the coaches will go and then we'll be in same position as we were with Ralf where no grade A coaches want a 4 month gig so you have to make do with what you can get like Armas last time

 

[Tom Van Persie]

 

[Berbaclass]

• Sir Jim Ratcliffe is hopeful his deal to purchase a 25 per cent stake in Manchester United will be official by mid February.
• The British billionaire was speaking as he attended Old Trafford for Manchester United’s Premier League game with Tottenham Hotspur on Sunday.
• Ratcliffe is currently awaiting league approval after his petrochemical company, INEOS, completed their deal to take a minority stake of the club last month.

Yeah I thought it would be at least another month

 

[Licha-Vidic]

 

[Tom Van Persie]