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C'est Moi Cantona said:
This is where I get a bit lost with the Qatar thing, buying United isn't like buying a normal business where a value is set by 'future expected revenues', the value to them is just owning us, and putting the money in getting us back to the top again, it would be a sportswashing exercise afterall, so I don't know how you put a cost on that.

£5 billion or £6 billion, does it really matter when it comes to purchases like this.
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The value to them is just owning us… thats probably where you went wrong.

They want to own property and develop Manchester not just the club and its for future value. Similar to how they own a lot of property in London today.

In that context they will have a price at which they see United as a viable investment vs the money they are already spending acquiring land and property in Manchester
 
Cassidy said:
The value to them is just owning us… thats probably where you went wrong.

They want to own property and develop Manchester not just the club and its for future value. Similar to how they own a lot of property in London today.

In that context they will have a price at which they see United as a viable investment vs the money they are already spending acquiring land and property in Manchester
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Which is more indication that the Glazers didn't actually want to sell the club fully at this point in time. Ornstein suggested on Vibe with Five that there are rumours in certain circles (he was very vague) that Qatari representatives had been in contact with Glazer representatives asking them to name their price - and coming away from it feeling like there wasn't really a price to meet.
 
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Rhyme Animal said:
The strange thing is that basically everyone is talking as though Ratcliffe is some clued up owner who knows better than the Glazers…

But the reality is that even during the last 10 years of Utd’s decline, the Glazers have had more success in football than Ratcliffe has ever had.

People are talking like Ratcliffe is an immediate improvement… based on what? Seriously, based on what?

What has Ratcliffe ever won, or done in football?

In the last 10 years the Glazers have overseen multiple trophies and top 4 PL finishes - Ratcliffe has never achieved this, at any point.

If he took over a different PL club, would you be scared…?

Food for thought…
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I think this is a bit of a silly point really. Almost no owners come into a football club with a football track record. They are not like managers or players where you can assess their prior achievements.

I understand that Ratcliffe is a little different though, given his experience at Nice. First few years, Nice treaded water. This season, they seem to have got their act together.

If the reports are true, and Ratcliffe brings in a top class, CEO, Director of football and £250 million on infrastructure improvements, then that alone is a huge upgrade on The Glazers.

Would you also say The Glazers are better owners than Tony Bloom at Brighton because of trophies won? Probably not as they are swimming in different seas.

I would also argue that parity with Nice over the past few years is more of an achievement than The Glazers taking United from perennial title contenders to lucky to get into the top 4, despite spending a billy!
 
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laughtersassassin said:
If a minority investor is putting in that much of their own money on day 1 that's a very good sign.

That tells us he is likely very confident he will be majority owners relatively soon.

No one is investing that much money in an asset that they aren't going to own or control.

This is a good sign
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Unless part of the deal says the Glazer’s put in the same amount after he hands over his money
 
gaffs said:
To use your analogy, would you rather have a few slates a month, or have no slates at all?

The fact that Ratcliffe is providing £245mil, on top of his 25% for $1.5bil, shows you he is in it for the long term. He wouldn't do that if he didn't think that he would soon be moving towards majority ownership. You don't put that kind of money in as a minority investor otherwise, because you know the Glazers wont match it.

Likewise, happy to admit im wrong if that doesn't happen.
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When what you are talking about is one of the biggest football clubs in the world then this isn’t viable. I’d rather the owners hands be forced than a patch up
 
Jeppers7 said:
When what you are talking about is one of the biggest football clubs in the world then this isn’t viable. I’d rather the owners hands be forced than a patch up
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20 years of Glazer ownership has told us you can’t force them into anything.

If they are forced into making major infrastructure improvements, then you’re talking more debt on the club.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
The Glazers are a unit, that’s why we pluralise their name.

The Glazers own Man Utd, Ratcliffe is a minority investor who is giving the Glazers a lifeline to remain at the club.

Everything else is spin.
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G Unit

And we pluralise their name because we are all to lazy to type all 6 out. And that's if you can even name all 6. Avram, Joel, Darcy, Keith, Rigobert and Little Tommy if anyone forgot.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
The strange thing is that basically everyone is talking as though Ratcliffe is some clued up owner who knows better than the Glazers…

But the reality is that even during the last 10 years of Utd’s decline, the Glazers have had more success in football than Ratcliffe has ever had.

People are talking like Ratcliffe is an immediate improvement… based on what? Seriously, based on what?

What has Ratcliffe ever won, or done in football?

In the last 10 years the Glazers have overseen multiple trophies and top 4 PL finishes - Ratcliffe has never achieved this, at any point.

If he took over a different PL club, would you be scared…?

Food for thought…
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This is the most poignant honest post so far today.
 
cj_sparky said:
It's great if Sir Jim is willing to invest in the infrastructure, but I'd also like to know all the details surrounding that investment and whether it is in the form of a loan potentially repayable by the club or if it will deducted off a future purchase price from the Parasites.

Also still the worry regarding the debt still laden on the club from the Parasites.

There is a lot to have optimism about, but still find my self wanting to know more before getting too excited as we all know how the Parasites work and although we may never know the finer details of everything it will be nicer to have a clearer picture.

On Paul Mitchell potentially coming in, it is nothing new as I think had Rangnick remained in place he would have potentially been appointed in some capacity anyway.
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Yeah my gut feeling is we won't get anything on the debt until official confirmation of the 25%,unfortunately it may not be until he has majority ownership which I know is so frustrating
 
Will Ratcliffe have a say in sacking and hiring managers even if he only owns 25%?
 
Rhyme Animal said:
The strange thing is that basically everyone is talking as though Ratcliffe is some clued up owner who knows better than the Glazers…

But the reality is that even during the last 10 years of Utd’s decline, the Glazers have had more success in football than Ratcliffe has ever had.

People are talking like Ratcliffe is an immediate improvement… based on what? Seriously, based on what?

What has Ratcliffe ever won, or done in football?

In the last 10 years the Glazers have overseen multiple trophies and top 4 PL finishes - Ratcliffe has never achieved this, at any point.

If he took over a different PL club, would you be scared…?

Food for thought…
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You're not real.


JagUTD said:
Avram to Jimmy

"Av you ever won the league cup av you feck!"
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:lol:
 
gaffs said:
I think this is a bit of a silly point really. Almost no owners come into a football club with a football track record. They are not like managers or players where you can assess their prior achievements.

I understand that Ratcliffe is a little different though, given his experience at Nice. First few years, Nice treaded water. This season, they seem to have got their act together.

If the reports are true, and Ratcliffe brings in a top class, CEO, Director of football and £250 million on infrastructure improvements, then that alone is a huge upgrade on The Glazers.

Would you also say The Glazers are better owners than Tony Bloom at Brighton because of trophies won? Probably not as they are swimming in different seas.

I would also argue that parity with Nice over the past few years is more of an achievement than The Glazers taking United from perennial title contenders to lucky to get into the top 4, despite spending a billy!
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It’s not a silly point.

He’s being talked about as though he’s definitely a better owner - from a footballing success POV - than the Glazers, yet he’s actually less successful than them.

It’s very reminiscent of the Moyes hype imo… Someone who has absolutely no success in what they’re being tasked to do being spoken of as though it’s a given they’ll succeed and anyone pointing out that they’ve never done anything to suggest they’re capable of the task is laughed at or shouted down. ‘Groupthink’, I think it’s called.

It’s also being talked about that the Glazers will just ‘hand over sporting control’ of the entire club to him with a minority stake.

Why would they do that when he has less experience and success than them in football!? Wouldn’t that be potential business suicide? What if he’s crap at it? It’s ludicrous. And it’s blatantly obvious when you actually think about it logically that they will ALWAYS hold veto power over him for that reason.

‘Because Paul Mitchell’, seems to be the popular mantra, but then, why don’t the Glazers just hire Paul Mitchell?
They’re free to do so.
 
Todd said:
Here's my 5

1. Sign De Jong
2. Sign Mbappe
3. Sign Osimhen
4. Sign Bastoni
5. Sign Camavinga
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Bottom 3 could happen one day,however the top two are only interested in Spain. Obviously Mbappe isn't there yet but that will definitely be where he ends up
 
Rhyme Animal said:
The strange thing is that basically everyone is talking as though Ratcliffe is some clued up owner who knows better than the Glazers…

But the reality is that even during the last 10 years of Utd’s decline, the Glazers have had more success in football than Ratcliffe has ever had.

People are talking like Ratcliffe is an immediate improvement… based on what? Seriously, based on what?

What has Ratcliffe ever won, or done in football?

In the last 10 years the Glazers have overseen multiple trophies and top 4 PL finishes - Ratcliffe has never achieved this, at any point.

If he took over a different PL club, would you be scared…?

Food for thought…
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I'd have finished this post with #makesyouthink
 
Rhyme Animal said:
I’m realer than real deal Holyfield,
and now you Brexit Jim shills know how I feel

And he’s not rich enough to buy himself a majority chunk
So have another piece of some of that PR guff
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4/10

Guff was a shocking choice though when you had "junk" ready to go.

Do better.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Glazers have presided over PL titles, CL trophy, Europa trophy, FA Cup, League Cup…

Why would they yield all sporting control to a minority share holder who has won nothing, ever, in football?
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To flip this back to you, and I'll apologise in advance for you being sick but why are you giving the Glazers credit?

Think about it
 
JagUTD said:
To flip this back to you, and I'll apologise in advance for you being sick but why are you giving the Glazers credit?

Think about it
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I’m not giving them credit, I’m questioning whether a more successful owner would yield all sporting control to a minority share holder who is less successful than themselves in football.

It isn’t realistic in any way, shape or form.
 
JagUTD said:
To flip this back to you, and I'll apologise in advance for you being sick but why are you giving the Glazers credit?

Think about it
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It works both ways. Everyone blames them for the footballing failure. So they must get credit for footballing success too.
 
So if Jim is really gifting the club 235 mil and it won't be a loan or an issue of new shares then surely he effectively is gifting 75% £184 mil to the Glazers and other shareholders. It makes no sense to structure it this way whatsoever. I've got a feeling there will be some sort of catch here.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
You don’t know who the original artist is…?

Cmon, fix up sunshine.
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If there's anything I know about chart music, and there isn't,.then I've a good chance of getting it right naming Ed Swift or Taylor Sheeran.
 
P0GBA said:
So if Jim is really gifting the club 235 mil and it won't be a loan or an issue of new shares then surely he effectively is gifting 75% £184 mil to the Glazers and other shareholders. It makes no sense to structure it this way whatsoever. I've got a feeling there will be some sort of catch here.
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Regardless it's a suboptimal way to managing the club. This complex structure will lead to a lack of accountability and becoming a political cesspool.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
I’m realer than real deal Holyfield,
and now you Brexit Jim shills know how I feel

And he’s not rich enough to buy himself a majority chunk
So have another piece of some of that PR guff
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He’s about 3 times as wealthy as Abramovic by the way
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Glazers have presided over PL titles, CL trophy, Europa trophy, FA Cup, League Cup…

Why would they yield all sporting control to a minority share holder who has won nothing, ever, in football?
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presided over meaning they were there? They had zero input,
 
AdNani said:
presided over meaning they were there? They had zero input,
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You’re missing the point…

Obviously I think they’re clueless, but clearly they don’t.

And the point remains - they are more successful owners than Ratcliffe.

Handing over complete control of the football side to a minority shareholder who is less successful than them in football is a daft, fanciful notion.
 
Like many in here I would have preferred a full sale to Qatar,however after Jassim walked away I wanted to take a step back.

Yes, I have reservations about his plans to appoint CEO,Sporting Director and this €300m personal investment,however I want to give it a chance rather than writing him off like some have clearly done already. I can understand that mindset because it looked like we may be finally rid of those leeches after 18 years.

Also concerned about those two leeches and Ratcliffe wanting different things on the sporting side. Just have to hope the money rolling in keeps them on side.

I do think eventually he will get majority control,however of course there is concern about stadium investment and the biggest elephant in the room which is managing debt.
 
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