Banter aside I do hope you get rid of the parasite Glaziers but this dude has the air of a bluffer to me. The way he tried to buy Chelsea was so unprofessional.
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It's been suggested he never actually wanted to buy Chelsea but that the last minute bid for Chelsea was an indirect message being sent to The Glazers that he's ready and willing to buy them out
That seems an utterly insane way to send that message. What if his bid was accepted? Putting the bid together would've also cost time and money.
A simple text "yo Joel, let's talk" would've been more effective.
I hope whomever suggested that wasn't serious. That's just beside all the legal troubles that you can bring on yourself with using sham bids at such an advanced stage. It's not exactly the same as bargaining at their local fish market. I don't think he'd go about sending that message like that .
Glad I'm not the only who thinks that line of thought is rubbish
Or he had to clear his credit card bill that month before he could submit his bid
Jordan talks some shit and every time he’s wrong and gets called out on it he starts babbling on about contextually for 10 minutes
Maybe his Chelsea season ticket was also some kind of signal to the glazers
I think some people underestimate just how much £1billion is.
Yeah it is. If you want to buy something you can just tell the person who owns it you want to buy it. Pretty much a flawless strategy right there.
What's with the Bezos talk?
He also stridently ( default setting for Jordan ) predicted that the Saudi's wouldn't, under any circumstances, take over at Newcastle.
Yep, he also loves to have his name in the media. I am wary of his seriousness.
Maybe we could rework the PL into one huge Royal Rumble match(or at least make the City and Liverpool matches "hell in a cell")
I'd pay good money to see both of these scenarios
Go get the old producer of the WWE promos, advertising Hell in a Cell for Anfield. 'We may have just heard Jurgen Klopp's death sentence!' - JR
Journalistic shit stirring
Talks a load of shite generally because it's effectively his job to cause controversy
Between the bollocks and the soundbite chasing media bollocks, I do think he made a very good and valid point in there. That prospective owners will know that if they win the title with United and make them one of the best football teams in the World again (which they haven't been for a decade now) then United will eclipse everybody else economically
I don’t think the Amazon and US links are not over yet.
Apple may also come back into the fold.
Commercially it makes massive sense to buy united, the partnerships would be quite something.
For instance all or nothing United would be insanely popular, along with pl rights bidding coming soon and Apple rumoured to go big for them.
Watch this space. I think some proper big boys are waiting in the wings to have a go.
On SJR I wouldn’t be overly surprised if his view is to come in, steady the ship and sell one again for a profit, United may be worth 5/6bln now but in 5 years time with rebuilding and renovating of OT it could easily be worth 10ish
Apple may also come back into the fold.
Commercially it makes massive sense to buy united, the partnerships would be quite something.
For instance all or nothing United would be insanely popular, along with pl rights bidding coming soon and Apple rumoured to go big for them.
Watch this space. I think some proper big boys are waiting in the wings to have a go.
On SJR I wouldn’t be overly surprised if his view is to come in, steady the ship and sell one again for a profit, United may be worth 5/6bln now but in 5 years time with rebuilding and renovating of OT it could easily be worth 10ish
I think it can be interesting to hearing industry people discuss a transaction like this that does not concern them -- but for any projection of them to have any accuracy, they need to have or obtain information about the conditions for each potential party. To put it like this, if you don't have that, its like being asked if a player would be a good fit for a specific team, but you don't know who is coaching that team, which league they are playing in, what other players they have, what style they are playing, the club's financial status, who else is available, and at what cost, and so forth.
The Times have had great information lately and speculated heavily on how Ratcliffe would mainly face competition from the US investors. Where were that speculation coming from? A US investment banker looking at how hot franchises have been in the US lately, even despite the economic downturn. And how they dominated the Chelsea auction. I have no reason whatsoever to question that US investors will be interested in Man Utd. But at the same time, a new owner in a US pro league needs to be approved by the other franchises. The MSL didn't let QSI buy Inter Miami, as I understand it. The Saudis were disqualified in the Chelsea auction on a technicality -- indicating that the UK government wasn't keen on taking a club from an oligarch only to sell it to someone with a ton of question marks (the state backed entities).
My point is just, it "could" be true that the US investor sector should be seen as favorites to buy Man Utd, but that information is coming from people looking at bids for US pro teams and the Chelsea auction, and drawing the conclusion that we will see the same regarding Man Utd. But at the same time, all these auctions for example excluded the ME states. Man Utd isn't Chelsea or a US pro team, there are pros and cons. The market is different now than when Chelsea was sold. Its like my analogy above to the situation were a question is asked if a player is a good signing, but you don't have full insight into the team that would be signing him. Like you could have insight into 95% of all relevant factors, but the signing could still be horrible due to the 5% you don't know. Would Ivan Toney for 10m be a good signing for Brighton? You know the player, the team, the system, the financials of the club, fairly well who else is out there etc etc etc. So sure, he could be a great signing for Brighton at 10m, but he wouldn't be if he get suspended for 5 years on Monday for betting violations.
This is also part of the reason for why I was really glad to see Jimmy R 'formally' enter into the process. That means that at least someone has cleared all hurdles. I have said all along that I think it makes the most sense for QSI to buy us, and sort out the UEFA rules forbidding someone to control two clubs in UEFA tournaments by separating the powers to control ETH from the other part of the group (like Ineos intends to do vis-a-vis Nice). But there could easily be 15 deal-breakers for QSI that we have no insight into whatsoever. And its the same for all other potential bidders.
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I’m curious about hearing from Times(?) that they think the main competition to the INEOS/Ratcliffe interest is an American buyer. You’d have thought that if one of the Middle Eastern lot wanted to seriously go for it, then they can blow any American interest out the water, because the Americans do want to treat it like a business whilst the Middle Easterners treat as a vanity project and don’t give a crap about revenue.
That is unless someone like Bezos or a company like Apple are part of that American buyer list, although I don’t know what Apple stands to gain from owning United hypothetically. They dont need global exposure like I imagine INEOS are looking at it. Your average person has probably not heard of INEOS but they know who Apple are.
That is unless someone like Bezos or a company like Apple are part of that American buyer list, although I don’t know what Apple stands to gain from owning United hypothetically. They dont need global exposure like I imagine INEOS are looking at it. Your average person has probably not heard of INEOS but they know who Apple are.
Surely he's no longer interested because we drew against Palace.
We need the state of Dubai or Apple (which won’t happen) so we need an oil state.
Ratcliffe what’s he done at Nice? I know they got to a cup final but are now 10th in the league… Im looking at that and thinking where is his commitment to his current project?
I’m not convinced an owner of a mid-table Ligue 1 side is going to make us the number one club on the planet again. I’d argue it’s laughable even.
Ratcliffe what’s he done at Nice? I know they got to a cup final but are now 10th in the league… Im looking at that and thinking where is his commitment to his current project?
I’m not convinced an owner of a mid-table Ligue 1 side is going to make us the number one club on the planet again. I’d argue it’s laughable even.
And yet Mcdonald's spent $ 650 million in 2020 and $460milllion in 2021 globally on advertising.
Fyi. Apple spent $ 3.7 billion in 2021. Do you wonder why you know who Apple is?
Yep. Apple's big strength is how it portrays itself as a lifestyle brand, rather than about their products selling themselves for what they are.
You are assuming that "the ME lot" are nation states, even though it has been reported that nation states (or their investment vehicles) are unlikely to be in the running, in part because the only states that are interested in owning football clubs, have already acquired them.
Interest from the ME may well simply be wealthy businessmen, like Abdullah bin Musaid Al Saud (Saudi owner of Sheffield United, with a net worth a fraction of that of Ratcliffee). I've no doubt that there will be plenty of wealthy investors in the ME who will be interested, but unless they're backed by a sovereign wealth fund, US investors are perfectly capable of matching any financial offer they might make.
Debunked already on previous pages.
"But at this time Sixth Street is not looking to buy Manchester United and is not in any active discussions to do so". Doesn't sound like ruling out buying a stake? Just states they aren't looking to buy the club as a whole.
OK just ignore the last three pages of discussion about it then.
The Glazers are inviting bids from parties only interested in acquiring a minority share of United (along with those who want to buy the whole club). Either outcome is possible, but it does not sound like Sixth Street are really in the running in either case.
Who in their right mind would invest in the club with the Glazer family remaining on in some ownership capacity. It is a terrible investment. It won't happen.
It won't. There would be a massive backlash from the fans. Not worth it.
I hear ya, but I’m getting the bloody fear, the thought that they could still be here after feeling so positive that they were leaving doesn’t bare thinking about.
I’m clinging onto the hope that all this 6th Street investment shite is just that, a way of getting interested parties to cough up the 6,7,8 billion that they want, I know they’ve released a statement saying they aren’t looking to “buy”Manchester United but didn’t see the words “invest” either.
I think people need to stop worrying so much about partial investment. Don't you think the Glazers haven't already exhausted all avenues trying to do this before going public? They're not taking any dividends this year because there is no money to do so. What incentive is there for partial investment? The scale of the job required to modernise and grow the club enough to see a good return on investment would take decades. All for only a small slice of the pie?
Partial sale? NO. CHANCE
Partial sale? NO. CHANCE
Full sale it will be - I don’t think it makes a great deal of sense for the Glazers or a minority owner
Pretty much all of it to be fair.
Give us a Ratcliffe like tweet today we need it
RedCafe Logic:
Good news - must be BS
Bad news - must be true. Everyone panic!
Reality - No one knows what’s happening behind the scenes. Also, IF Ratcliffe buys Utd, comparisons to Nice are irrelevant. Utd supports itself, it just needs its debt cleared.
We’re not a City or Chelsea who were nothing before the petro dollars. We are already an absolute behemoth of a club. Imagine we were allowed to spend our OWN money? And not spend it on interest and dividend payments?
We don’t need Saudi owners. We just need someone who actually cares about the club and wants to clear its debt.
Good news - must be BS
Bad news - must be true. Everyone panic!
Reality - No one knows what’s happening behind the scenes. Also, IF Ratcliffe buys Utd, comparisons to Nice are irrelevant. Utd supports itself, it just needs its debt cleared.
We’re not a City or Chelsea who were nothing before the petro dollars. We are already an absolute behemoth of a club. Imagine we were allowed to spend our OWN money? And not spend it on interest and dividend payments?
We don’t need Saudi owners. We just need someone who actually cares about the club and wants to clear its debt.
It was never not news that they also explored partial sale. Think it was literally the thread title at some point. They are being forced out by their brokeness not because they really want to. Even their asking price seems like they are mad about it.
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