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Wumminator said:
Is anyone else hoping this news really galvanises out season. Hoping the fans are loud and boisterous now we see an exit route and I hope the squad is also boosted by the news.

Going to be a potentially massive few weeks!
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Absolutely. It will be great to have all the fans uniting behind one owner. The Glazers out, finally (eventually). Hope it comes to fruition !
 
Berbaclass said:
Cautiously optimistic would be a better way to describe I think.
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I don’t know why people aren’t cautiously optimistic.Genuinely baffled. We’ve wanted the Glazers gone for a while and all reports suggest it will happen.

Without any news - surely this is good? Especially if you liked Jim’s “putting Manchester back into Manchester United” as I did.
 
I am willing to listen to the Jimsters statement before loosing my sh!t. If there is a definite timelines to getting rid of the goblins that can only be positive. Anything else will be just mugging off the fans.
 
crossy1686 said:
How can a situation going from bad to worse galvanise a season?
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You are replying to a guy who thinks that his opinion is a law. Holly truth. So in his eyes; manager and players will be delighted over this and start playing free flowing football.
 
Mmm-Qatarian said:
I find it quite funny that so many on here are convinced that Ratcliffe, who whatever else he might be has somewhat proven himself to be a very competent businessman, has just decided he's going to give the Glazers 1.5 billion to spaff away because why the feck not.

There are quite obviously going to be certain conditions that come along with this offer. What they will be is anyone's guess, but Ratcliffe and INEOS aren't doing this out of generosity.
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He is 10x the business man any of the glazers hope to be, he made what he has himself.

They are riding in the coat tails of their dead father.
 
VP89 said:
Does it matter? That's the world he thought would be better for the UK and he's been battered for it.

Posters should stick to critiquing his work in the footballing world. Im sure there's plenty to be upset about with Nice.
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It doesn’t, I was just reminiscing about how much of a shit show the promises and negotiations around Brexit were
 
croadyman said:
Yes we aren't becoming a sportswashing vehicle to the delight of some in here,however at what long term cost to the club.

I am absolutely certain the matchgoers won't boycott games and tourists not stay out of the Megastore either,so those leeches are just laughing in our faces.

A dark day for this club much like that one in 2005 when those leeches walked through the door and started the decline of this once great club.

I genuinely think we are finished whilst we have the three of them running us further into the ground.

Basically to sum it all up there is zero positives whatsoever to Ratcliffe's pathetic 25% share of the club. He will probably keep on the likes of Arnold & Murtough instead of at least putting the right people in place. Oh yeah and the debt not being cleared or investment in stadium and training ground either.
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I really don't understand this take. The Athletic said that there's an agreement in principal to accept Ineos' offer. That offer has been reported to include immediate sporting control and 100% ownership of both class A and B shares in 3-6 years. I get that it's not the absolute best resolution but it is a resolution far better than a non sale.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
You are replying to a guy who thinks that his opinion is a law. Holly truth. So in his eyes; manager and players will be delighted over this and start playing free flowing football.
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That’s true, I guess he thinks that everyone else believes Qatar pulling out is reason to galvanise because now oppression worldwide has been defeated.
 
Mr Anderson said:
Because what idiot pumps over a billion into a club without having a concrete route to a takeover? This won’t be ifs and buts, this will be a roadmap to a full takeover with a binding contract.

Ineos won’t pump this much in to end up with nothing.

its a means to and end, and we will find out soon because of the stock exchange listing.

Sporting control and Glazer exit timeline. The 2nd best offer we can hope for here. Qatar were a billion short in offer (only 5billion in Glazers pockets), all that is left then outside of Ineos is hedge funds which is 1000000% worse than Ineos
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Genuine question for you but also to all those that are buying into this ‘gradual takeover’ PR line…

Firstly, consider the following 2 facts -

1. Ratcliffe cannot afford to match, let alone outbid Jassim’s current bid.

2. The Glazers are said to want far in excess of Jassim’s bid (a bid that Jim can’t even match, let alone outdo).

So, my question is, at what point do you see either of the following occurring -

1. Brexit Jim can suddenly blow what Jassim was offering out of the water… but he can’t do it now.

2. The Glazers suddenly are happy to receive less money to sell the club completely.

Because for them to leave, 1 of those 2 possibilities has to occur.

Yet, neither of these possibilities seem to make any logical sense at all, do they?

What will occur that means Jim can suddenly blow Jassim’s bid away?

Why on Earth will the Glazers, in ‘3 years’ time want less money than they do now?

What we do know, for fact, is the following -

1. The Glazers desperately need more money in order to remain at United.

2. Brexit Jim cannot afford to buy Utd but wants to be involved in Utd.

So, does it not make more (far more) sense that what you’re looking at is a situation where the Glazers are receiving their investment from Jim Brexit while the line of a ‘gradual takeover’ - something which, as laid out above, makes absolutely zero sense on any level - is trotted out to appease a disgruntled yet gullible fanbase?
 
Lord of Blackhaven said:
Jesus Christ. How can we be a year into this process and you still don't get the difference between class A and class B shares.
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They own 67 percent of the voting shares do they not?

From the athletic "The Glazers have a weighted voting share of 67 per cent"
 
Got to be an improvement on the current situation, unless it just means Jim gets undermined by the Glazers who still have the power to veto anything and everything he wants.
 
Berbaclass said:
Cautiously optimistic would be a better way to describe I think.
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Yeh. That's where I am. If the deal is voted through then hopefully we will hear from Ratcliffe and what his plans are.

Given the reaction from some, it's in his interests to impress.
 
mu4c_20le said:
But going by that logic, if Jassim hadn't gotten involved then glazers would've sold to ineos and we'd have new owners without the moral and political baggage.
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Not at all, SJ R made 4 bids as he couldn’t afford the full sale. SJ R is a Manchester lad and an avid supporter, he should have put his greed to one side and put whatever is best for this crumbling club. You know and I do, debt free, glazers gone and a much better platform for competing at the highest level again is what is right for this great club. Enjoy mediocrity for years to come and chasing 4th and a UCL position.
 
JagUTD said:
Yeh. That's where I am. If the deal is voted through then hopefully we will hear from Ratcliffe and what his plans are.

Given the reaction from some, it's in his interests to impress.
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Glazers owned us for 18 years and never really cared about any reaction
 
Wumminator said:
I don’t know why people aren’t cautiously optimistic.Genuinely baffled. We’ve wanted the Glazers gone for a while and all reports suggest it will happen.

Without any news - surely this is good? Especially if you liked Jim’s “putting Manchester back into Manchester United” as I did.
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Agree. My gut feeling is that this is really good news. No idea why people think any different.
 
VP89 said:
He wanted a soft brexit apparently. Nothing like the hard brexit stance Dominic Cummins and his boner boy BJ wanted.
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Haven’t seen anything to suggest that and if that’s the case it shows he’s not very bright given the prime motivations for those that did want brexit (remove all immigrants or Singapore on Thames).
 
Thom Merrilin said:
No it's not. Jim/Ineos will have majority control of the club within a couple years and 100% ownership within 3-6 years, according to reports.
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Yes is it.

That's just conjecture, something to keep the masses happy. Jim's bid leaves the horrible bastards right where they want to be and with a few hundred million in their back pockets. That cash won't be pumped in to help with the debt or to bring the facilities upto modern standards.

It's a terrible outcome for us all.
 
Wumminator said:
I don’t know why people aren’t cautiously optimistic.Genuinely baffled. We’ve wanted the Glazers gone for a while and all reports suggest it will happen.

Without any news - surely this is good? Especially if you liked Jim’s “putting Manchester back into Manchester United” as I did.
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He might still be a shit owner. Just because he's buying us doesn't make everything instantly good. He needs to prove a few things and take care of a few matters first.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Genuine question for you but also to all those that are buying into this ‘gradual takeover’ PR line…

Firstly, consider the following 2 facts -

1. Ratcliffe cannot afford to match, let alone outbid Jassim’s current bid.

2. The Glazers are said to want far in excess of Jassim’s bid (a bid that Jim can’t even match, let alone outdo).

So, my question is, at what point do you see either of the following occurring -

1. Brexit Jim can suddenly blow what Jassim was offering out of the water… but he can’t do it now.

2. The Glazers suddenly are happy to receive less money to sell the club completely.

Because for them to leave, 1 of those 2 possibilities has to occur.

Yet, neither of these possibilities seem to make any logical sense at all, do they?

What will occur that means Jim can suddenly blow Jassim’s bid away?

Why on Earth will the Glazers, in ‘3 years’ time want less money than they do now?

What we do know, for fact, is the following -

1. The Glazers desperately need more money in order to remain at United.

2. Brexit Jim cannot afford to buy Utd but wants to be involved in Utd.

So, does it not make more (far more) sense that what you’re looking at is a situation where the Glazers are receiving their investment from Jim Brexit while the line of a ‘gradual takeover’ - something which, as laid out above, makes absolutely zero sense on any level - is trotted to appease a disgruntled and gullible fanbase?
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Most sources say that Jim has a net worth of between 15 and 20 billion pounds. Wealth is not the issue here.

He actually has exceeded the Qatar bid in terms of valuation of the club.
 
Widow said:
Yes is it.

That's just conjecture, something to keep the masses happy. Jim's bid leaves the horrible bastards right where they want to be and with a few hundred million in their back pockets. That cash won't be pumped in to help with the debt or to bring the facilities upto modern standards.

It's a terrible outcome for us all.
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There have been multiple reports saying that the 25% will become 100% in 3-6 years. It's not connecture. You can choose not to believe the reports if you want.

Also, Ineos will be able to immediately inject funds into the club and have full control over where those funds get spent.
 
Thom Merrilin said:
Most sources say that Jim has a net worth of between 15 and 20 billion pounds. Wealth is not the issue here.

He actually has exceeded the Qatar bid in terms of valuation of the club.
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Let’s hope he pumps his own money in then. Despite being critical of his stance and handling of the bid so far, I’ll wait to hear what his plans would be. I just think overall this is a shit situation as it’s not in his interest yet to put in a lot of money until he owns 100%.
 
Widow said:
Yes is it.

That's just conjecture, something to keep the masses happy. Jim's bid leaves the horrible bastards right where they want to be and with a few hundred million in their back pockets. That cash won't be pumped in to help with the debt or to bring the facilities upto modern standards.

It's a terrible outcome for us all.
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Sir Jim is a United fan. He will clearly get them out eventually.

The more I think about it this is a far better outcome.
 
Wumminator said:
I don’t know why people aren’t cautiously optimistic.Genuinely baffled. We’ve wanted the Glazers gone for a while and all reports suggest it will happen.

Without any news - surely this is good? Especially if you liked Jim’s “putting Manchester back into Manchester United” as I did.
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Well first of all, the Glazers aren’t going anywhere. Now they’ve got the funding they wanted and they get to stick around for longer.

Second, what does putting the Manchester back into Manchester United even mean? Having a bee on the kit? Renaming OT to the Hacienda? Playing Dirty Old Town on a match day?
 
Blood Mage said:
If Ratcliffe recognises our need for a proper sporting director and more a focused recruitment approach then I see no reason why he can't make a success of it. The biggest problem of the last decade has been the Glazers putting their cronies in positions that should have been occupied by specialists.
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That's true, we have spent quite a lot of money but it's been so poorly because there's no structure in place.

But we've still got the issues with the stadium and our training facilities being outdated and run down and I'm not sure if those issues get sorted as well.
 
Berbaclass said:
He might still be a shit owner. Just because he's buying us doesn't make everything instantly good. He needs to prove a few things and take care of a few matters first.
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The Nice fans seem to think he’s a shit owner who hasn’t got much right but maybe it will be different with us when his cycling mate gets the top gig at the club.
 
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