Apparently the Glazers have been advised to accept the offer from Qatar, but they have a weakness which hampers there thinking, it is called greed
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Honestly, good for the glazers standing so firm, it’s their club, they earned the right to do with us as they please, and I’m in full support of whatever they deem to be the best path for the team. lol
Yes I think any partial investment would be on unfavourable terms, require them to hand over some control and the funds he to go back into the club so they don’t profit from it.
I have no doubt they have an unobtainable value in mind and it’s just a question of when they accept that. They either do it now or limp on for 1-5 years before accepting it at some stage. It makes a of sense to sell but I think they are people who will be very disappointed with only getting 6bn despite the huge profit it nets them and all the issues they have.
Even with the white text, that's worthy of a thread timeout.
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I was tempted to give it a miss becauseof the negative stance he currently takes on the takeover , but I watched the United Muppetier video just now and again (like last week and I posted this on here) he thinks the takeover report of it being taken off sale is inaccurate, the club is still for sale.
But he feels that the Galzers will still be here next summer and what indicates this is the transfer window and United's insistence on break clauses in the loan deals we tried to execute, particularly in the left back position. I think that allows for more money next summer.
Just to summarise, James believes that the INEOS deal does appeal to the 2 siblings it is reported to appeal. The other 4 want the QATARI offer because it gives them more money much more quickly.
He also says, now do not rule a minority investor to help with funding to increase the value. He believes that It is going to take either INEOS to raise to satisfy the other 4, of Jassim to raise to get rid of them all
Again, I ask any of those on here that have much more experience and knowledge of these practices, does anything he says sound logical?
Is the stock price, something to worry about and when does anyone this stalemate will break?
We are like hostages suffering from Stockholm Syndrome at this stage.
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Honestly don’t understand how they can continue, we are flat broke and these leeches don’t want to put a penny of their own money in. When you consider the outlay needed - transfers, stadium, training facilities (men’s and women’s) - they or the club don’t have the resources. Something has to give.
Logical doesn't come into it because these guys are not acting rationally. They are already getting way more than what the club is worth as a business.
Hard to predict when dealing with such greed.
Market manipulation really is a piece of piss isn’t it?
It can be prosecuted by the SEC and/or the District Attorney for the Southern District of New York. US federal laws take market manipulation very seriously. Honestly, I hope the Glazers get indicted as means to fasten up the sale.
Joe Lewis (Tottenham) got indicted at the end of July for insider trading by the SDNY. For the record, market manipulation and insider trading often come up together.
If a full sale goes through in the next few months they absolutely need to find out who leaked that story to the daily Mail.
Market closes at $19.35, 18% down. The 8th busiest day of trading since it’s been on the market with over 7 million shares changing hands. There are enough people who hold shares who are panicking.
Need Custis to double down with a Big Daddy splash (ask your parents).
None of that stops them from making money. It costs them nothing and continues to grow in value. When you understand that they literally don’t give a feck about the club it makes sense.
That is what Glazers are saying. Something has to give and get them 10B.
Someone threadban this oppo fan for feck sake!
Those Glazers that don't give a feck about the club are the ones pushing for sale though going by pretty much all the reports we had so far. There is an even more depressing possibillity that Joel and Avram legitimately managed to delude themselves into thinking that they haven't been doing a bad job thus far and will turn it around if given more time and money.
But it does though. If you don’t spend on the stadium, that’s an outlay the buyer will take off the purchase price (just like SJ and JR have done). If you don’t keep investing in the facilities you fall behind rivals and it takes a lot of expenditure to catch up, which a buyer will take off the purchase price. Top 4 is getting harder every year especially now with Newcastle in the mix. These guys are supposed to be advised by the best investment banks, just to foolish not to see the eventual outcome of the path we’re headed.
I don’t know if logic applies to the Glazers, greed will be the over ruling factor. I imagine the break clause on the left back is there as he may not be needed if Shaw returns successfully.
I still don’t see a minority investor benefits them, they don’t make money from it and they are terrible at running a football club so any investment could be pissed away without improving the value of the club.
Their options appear to be that they either have to sell a controlling interestwhich is what both INEOS and SJ want or they limp on in hope a new buyer emerges who is willing to pay more for some reason.
I’m not convinced they even have a consensus between the six of them and for that reason it’s pretty unpredictable.
Let them keep the club for another two years. We’re going nowhere fast. They’ll soon regret it.
Man Utd aren’t the attractive club they were 10 years ago. The stadium is falling down. We literally use a credit card for transfers.
We can’t sell players. We sign 60 year old players like Jonny Evans from relegated sides as backup.
We’re fecked. And the sick part is, I want it all to just crash and burn now and watch the Glazers be forced to panic sell.
The worst thing that happened last season was Utd securing top 4. It’s kept the Glazers around.
Man Utd aren’t the attractive club they were 10 years ago. The stadium is falling down. We literally use a credit card for transfers.
We can’t sell players. We sign 60 year old players like Jonny Evans from relegated sides as backup.
We’re fecked. And the sick part is, I want it all to just crash and burn now and watch the Glazers be forced to panic sell.
The worst thing that happened last season was Utd securing top 4. It’s kept the Glazers around.
Agree.
Rinse and Repeat Rinse and Repeat.
Glazers need to sell? Rubbish total Rubbish.
They bought United for £200m and leveraged the rest. United owe them nothing they have had it back in shovel loads.
In context they own 6000,000,000m worth for 200,000,000 upfront. So in lay terms bought a house for 200,000 ( most folks mortgage) rent has paid that injection off and now worth 6M. 1m owed( covered by rent) which if you sell you will receive 6m clear. So no the Glazers don't have to sell and they aren't worried about the fans moaning either , the fans are irrelevant in their world its all about the $$$, thats that gets them out of bed in the morning. They almost achieved 6 plus Qatari's were holding back 2b to invest , The glazers see that as 8b so they now want 10.
Ridiculous United are in this situation but for 20 years of success the gods are punishing us with add ons.
Glazers need to sell? Rubbish total Rubbish.
They bought United for £200m and leveraged the rest. United owe them nothing they have had it back in shovel loads.
In context they own 6000,000,000m worth for 200,000,000 upfront. So in lay terms bought a house for 200,000 ( most folks mortgage) rent has paid that injection off and now worth 6M. 1m owed( covered by rent) which if you sell you will receive 6m clear. So no the Glazers don't have to sell and they aren't worried about the fans moaning either , the fans are irrelevant in their world its all about the $$$, thats that gets them out of bed in the morning. They almost achieved 6 plus Qatari's were holding back 2b to invest , The glazers see that as 8b so they now want 10.
Ridiculous United are in this situation but for 20 years of success the gods are punishing us with add ons.
Does this share thing have any great significance or is it just reaction to the stories?
This whole thing needs INEOS/SJ to publicly withdraw and see what happens. Can see it being S J R who withdraws first.
You’d think they’d have made a statement or the two bidders would have mentioned the club is no longer on the table?
I know sod all about business (check my credit card statement), but this is surely an appalling way to conduct business?
Keegan. It’s been a while.
Given they haven't had an answer in 3 months, that isn't a good sign at all.
They can’t really say much though tbf.
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The value of the club is dropping rapidly. Do these clowns (Glazers) actually believe they are going to get 10 billion!?
I reckon the way things are going If they stay for 2 more years it will be worth at least half of what they are looking for now. 6 billion is the most the club is going to go for which is what is believed to be the price the two investors are willing to pay.
The only ones who are going to lose out is the fans because it's a complete mess and another two more years of this before the Glazers realise the club is fully dead and take a shit offer of about 2-3 billion
I reckon the way things are going If they stay for 2 more years it will be worth at least half of what they are looking for now. 6 billion is the most the club is going to go for which is what is believed to be the price the two investors are willing to pay.
The only ones who are going to lose out is the fans because it's a complete mess and another two more years of this before the Glazers realise the club is fully dead and take a shit offer of about 2-3 billion
Have to love it when the same paper contradicts themselves...
Wonder where the reports of the Glazers pulling the club off the market came from? Unless it was a deliberate Glazer leak to pile pressure on the buyers?
Get them arrested for market manipulation.
Reaction. Stock prices are based on buying and selling. If investors get spooked into believing the stock price won't go up - they sell. It will bounce back up if the sale is reported on again.
A cynic would be liable to believe the Glazers are dealing in market manipulation to make even more money.
i think fellow business people around the world with little interest in the club bar the sale think so aswell
As businessmen why aren’t they embarrassed at the state of the club? I get that on paper they’re going to make a lot of money off the deal ultimately but surely you want things under your control to be well run and viewed as successful with respect? Surely pride and ego comes into this at some point?
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Have you seen the state of billionaires in the 21st century?
I'd venture the opposite, anyone following the context knows that this would drive fans to pressure the Glazers.
Maybe resident experts can correct me, but the price drop also serves the interest of bidders, as I suppose the price offer would be = Market Value + Premium, where Premium = x% of Market Value?
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