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UnitedSofa said:
Probably shite themselves and deleted it - or like you say was biggest load of bull
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Caught a little bit of it and they said the prospective buyers will be at Carrington soon.

They claimed they work at Carrington and the guy who leaked the Antony photo before it was announced got fired. Then someone called them out on it and said something like 'I thought you said you work at the airport' then they edited/deleted all their posts.

Either bs or covering their backs in case anyone from the club are checking and they're easily traceable due to their work history.
 
crossy1686 said:
Bloomberg reporting Qataris are interested. Take serious note of this folks, that isn’t a speculation shits and giggles publication.
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Makes perfect sense. The world cup was a successs for them and United is one of football's and the world's modern cultural gems, and is quite good value if that's the end of the market you are shopping at.
 
crossy1686 said:
Bloomberg reporting Qataris are interested. Take serious note of this folks, that isn’t a speculation shits and giggles publication.
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Worth noting Bloomberg were the very first I believe to break the Glazers putting the club up for sale too.
 
crossy1686 said:
Bloomberg reporting Qataris are interested. Take serious note of this folks, that isn’t a speculation shits and giggles publication.
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This one just makes so much sense. Beckham being involved. Avram being out there for so long. So much sense that nothing probably happen!
 
Ive resigned myself to a foreign hedge fund or unpleasant government. But can we atleast keep Beckham out of it ffs
 
TheReligion said:
Why we grilling posters who are giving tidbits of info?

That’s why you can’t have nice things
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Because people have an irrational hatred for anything remotely fun or speculative because everything must be 100% verified and truthful at all times.

It’s pretty boring , makes coming here for speculation and updates a little dry.
 
TrebleChamp99 said:
Because people have an irrational hatred for anything remotely fun or speculative because everything must be 100% verified and truthful at all times.

It’s pretty boring , makes coming here for speculation and updates a little dry.
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Yeah I don’t see the point myself.

If they are right then it’s great to have a genuine ITK on the site. If they aren’t we just laugh and ignore them.
 
I wouldn’t be surprised to see QSI buy 49% of the club, to keep it a minority stake and stay within UEFA rules about multi club ownership within the CL (PSG), and then for Beckham to buy 2% from another substantial sponsorship deal with QSI, and get a seat on the board, effectively giving them control.

From a fan perspective, as long as that led to massive investment in infrastructure from them, it’d be a good thing. The moral argument of having Qatari owners can be left for another thread. If QSI take over to that extent, I think we’ll see a couple of billion invested into building a new stadium and creating a whole sports village around it. I am sure it’ll come with a whole bunch of urban regeneration projects for the area around it too. I would image the whole thing would be heavily branded with the Qatari image.
 
simonhch said:
I wouldn’t be surprised to see QSI buy 49% of the club, to keep it a minority stake and stay within UEFA rules about multi club ownership within the CL (PSG), and then for Beckham to buy 2% from another substantial sponsorship deal with QSI, and get a seat on the board, effectively giving them control.

From a fan perspective, as long as that led to massive investment in infrastructure from them, it’d be a good thing. The moral argument of having Qatari owners can be left for another thread.
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Ever since RB Leipzig played RB Salzburg in the CL, I'm completely confused how these rules even work
 
There's no good way is there?

Having Qatar own the club is bad, Having the Glazers own the club is bad, Having them both own the club together is bad.

It's just so depressing
 
crossy1686 said:
Bloomberg reporting Qataris are interested. Take serious note of this folks, that isn’t a speculation shits and giggles publication.
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Genuinely depressing that. They cannot buy us outright if it's the same people as PSG, so I dress to think we might be getting a Glazers+ package..
 
lsd said:
There's no good way is there?

Having Qatar own the club is bad, Having the Glazers own the club is bad, Having them both own the club together is bad.

It's just so depressing
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You never know

Buy a tin of beans from Amazon

Then travel to the city where the beans are made without any evidence of your travelling, avoid all cameras and have an alibi back in your hometown

Find a person in said city who works for the bean company and chop off their thumb and tell them to keep it a secret

Then travel back home undetected, again avoiding all cameras, and put the thumb in your beans.

Complain via Twitter and wait for a media person to slip into your DMs. Make them pay for the story and make sure they really dramatise it

Then Sue Amazon for £6bn and win. Then you can buy United yourself
 
I think I might be finished as a supporter of it a Qatar type owner.

I really can’t stomach the idea of it let alone get excited etc
 
Berbaclass said:
I think I might be finished as a supporter of it a Qatar type owner.
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It each their own but this attitude is an annoyance to me

We were here before them and we’ll be here after them. They’re our club no matter who owns them. If you don’t like the owners, protest. Walking away does nothing
 
LawCharltonBest said:
It each their own but this attitude is an annoyance to me

We were here before them and we’ll be here after them. They’re our club no matter who owns them. If you don’t like the owners, protest. Walking away does nothing
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It’s fecking bizarre.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
It each their own but this attitude is an annoyance to me

We were here before them and we’ll be here after them. They’re our club no matter who owns them. If you don’t like the owners, protest. Walking away does nothing
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Walking away is a form of protest no?
 
Berbaclass said:
Walking away is a form of protest no?
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Not really. That’s just refusing to support the team

I used to shop at Tesco and now I don’t. I wouldn’t consider it a protest and it means nothing to them.

Stand your ground. That’s a protest
 
Berbaclass said:
Why is it though?
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Because having an owner like that doesn’t mean you have to agree or defend what they do, or what history they have. Your interest is the club. The club isn’t guilty by association. It’s a football club. The interest is in the sport I couldn’t care less who the owners are or what they do. We can’t control any of it. This is the only way to compete, that’s the way it is.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Not really. That’s just refusing to support the team

I used to shop at Tesco and now I don’t. I wouldn’t consider it a protest and it means nothing to them.

Stand your ground. That’s a protest
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BluesJr said:
Because having an owner like that doesn’t mean you have to agree or defend what they do, or what history they have. Your interest is the club. The club isn’t guilty by association. It’s a football club. The interest is in the sport I couldn’t care less who the owners are or what they do. We can’t control any of it. This is the only way to compete, that’s the way it is.
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Respectfully disagree.
 
Berbaclass said:
Respectfully disagree.
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Well that’s fine but it’s you that loses out. I follow the sport because I enjoy my team winning. It’s the competition for me that gets me excited I couldn’t care less about the bigger issues when I’m watching football. I’d rather it wasn’t this way but it is.
 
crossy1686 said:
Bloomberg reporting Qataris are interested. Take serious note of this folks, that isn’t a speculation shits and giggles publication.
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Definitely, first real news in ages.

The info is that Qatar either is looking into investing in a club or buying a full club and we are one of the clubs considered. It’s not that they have chosen us. But up until now we didn’t even know if we were seriously being considered by them, they could have made their minds up ages ago that they wouldn’t bid for an expensive PL club. We know that they did not submit a bid for Chelsea.
 
Berbaclass said:
I think I might be finished as a supporter of it a Qatar type owner.

I really can’t stomach the idea of it let alone get excited etc
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I completely understand your position. So no judgement. I even applaud the moral integrity to take such a stance. That said, and personally, Manchester United will never truly belong to the person or group that buys it. It belongs to the hearts of the fans that support it. For me it isn’t just a football club, it’s a lifetime of support. It’s the only thing that links me to my late father, and the only happy memories I have of my childhood. I’ll be damned if anyone takes it away from me.

I wouldn’t directly put money in their pocket by buying merchandise but I’ll still watch the team and love the team, and my fellow fans. I’ll go to games whenever I’m back in England. Because, again, it’s not anyone’s to take away from me. But I totally get where you are coming from. It’s admirable, if a little self defeating.
 
Anybody that has 6 billion to buy the club will have some skeletons

It's an imperfect world unfortunately
 
simonhch said:
I completely understand your position. So no judgement. I even applaud the moral integrity to take such a stance. That said, and personally, Manchester United will never truly belong to the person or group that buys it. It belongs to the hearts of the fans that support it. For me it isn’t just a football club, it’s a lifetime of support. It’s the only thing that links me to my late father, and the only happy memories I have of my childhood. I’ll be damned if anyone takes it away from me.

I wouldn’t directly put money in their pocket by buying merchandise but I’ll still watch the team and love the team, and my fellow fans. I’ll go to games whenever I’m back in England. Because, again, it’s not anyone’s to take away from me. But I totally get where you are coming from. It’s admirable, if a little self defeating.
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It will be very hard admittedly whether I'll be able to do it is a different question. I love the club it's been part of my life since I was born. I've given City and more recently Newcastle lots of shit over the years and I'd feel like a massive hypocrite if I suddenly was okay with us being taken over by a sport washing machine.

I feel a move like this will also likely kill any competition off in the premier league and create a almost insurmountable top 4 teams. Especially if Liverpool ends up in a similar position. You're going to end up with United, City, Liverpool and Newcastle potentially with massive wealth and it probably will become a closed shop between those four because how do the other 16 teams compete with them? They simply can't.
 
Irrational. said:
A minority stake isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. Full buyout or nothing.
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Yeah, that won't happen. No one with any business acumen will get into bed with the Glazers. They are the very thing holding the club/brand back and you'd imagine that partnering with them would be unpalatable to most, if not all potential investors/buyers.
 
Godfather said:
They could only by a minority stake right? Worst case that
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The underlying rules are a lot more flexible. Red Bull in principle control both Salzburg and Leipzig, for example.

If QSI owns 49%, and King Something of Qatar owns the other 51% — it should not be a problem, as long as QSI is independent from Qatar (which is a requirement in itself, so we can assume that).

You could assign certain powers to an independent trust. You do that in some incentive schemes for tax reasons. A company sets up a trust and transfer shares to the trust while claiming that this result in them no longer controlling the shares. The trust has an administrator who has an assignment to handle the shares in the employees best interest. The administrator always does what the company asks in practice, in theory there might be situations were the trust couldn’t comply (if ordered to do something with the shares that clearly wasn’t in the employees at interest).

We would need to have more insight into UEFAs decision regarding Red Bull to speculate how far this can be taken. But ultimately the rule is supposed to ensure the integrity of the sport. To avoid a F1 situation were the driver of a team is ordered to let another driver of the same team past. In practice, this is not hard to achieve, nor really a risk.

Here is the rule:
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To ensure the integrity of the UEFA club competitions (i.e. UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League and UEFA Europa Conference League), the following criteria apply:
  1. No club participating in a UEFA club competition may, either directly or indirectly:
    1. hold or deal in the securities or shares of any other club participating in a UEFA club competition;
    2. be a member of any other club participating in a UEFA club competition;
    3. be involved in any capacity whatsoever in the management, administration and/or sporting performance of any other club participating in a UEFA club competition; or
    4. have any power whatsoever in the management, administration and/or sporting performance of any other club participating in a UEFA club competition.
  2. No one may simultaneously be involved, either directly or indirectly, in any capacity whatsoever in the management, administration and/or sporting performance of more than one club participating in a UEFA club competition.
  3. No individual or legal entity may have control or influence over more than one club participating in a UEFA club competition, such control or influence being defined in this context as:
    1. holding a majority of the shareholders’ voting rights;
    2. having the right to appoint or remove a majority of the members of the administrative, management or supervisory body of the club;
    3. being a shareholder and alone controlling a majority of the shareholders’ voting rights pursuant to an agreement entered into with other shareholders of the club; or
    4. being able to exercise by any means a decisive influence in the decision-making of the club
 
Messier1994 said:
Definitely, first real news in ages.

The info is that Qatar either is looking into investing in a club or buying a full club and we are one of the clubs considered. It’s not that they have chosen us. But up until now we didn’t even know if we were seriously being considered by them, they could have made their minds up ages ago that they wouldn’t bid for an expensive PL club. We know that they did not submit a bid for Chelsea.
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Smart money would be to invest in Spurs or Lfc. The prestige would be to own us.

I still feel the Qataris would be the best bet. There will be ways around the whole owning two clubs such as United and PSG.
 
Berbaclass said:
Yeah, that won't happen. No one with any business acumen will get into bed with the Glazers. They are the very thing holding the club/brand back and you'd imagine that partnering with them would be unpalatable to most, if not all potential investors/buyers.
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Plus, what is a minority stake in a private company worth? If full is the 6bn being mentioned, 49% isn't worth just under 3bn because it comes without control. There's no way the Glazers have an interest in disposing of a minority interest like that.
 
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