Club Sale | It’s done!

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spwd said:
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Exactly, everyone else has always said we've been cheating, be it with spending loads or refs in the team etc
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Yeah. I genuinely do not care one jot what rival fans and journalists have to say about United. It's rarely ever been anything good, why would that start bothering me now?
 
Eplel said:
We're not a collective. A few idiots on the internet don't define every United supporter
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What?

Of course they do. That’s the new fanbase. That’s who we are now represented by! Every news article and atrocity committed by the Saudi regime - that’s what will be replying.

That’s the result of this bid I’m sorry to say, the club is the play thing of a country.
 
Cloud7 said:
People talk a lot about "our achievements not being respected going forward" as if the last 20 years hasn't been dominated by discourse around United bribing the refs and the FA, SAF bullying and intimidating people, how much money United spend etc etc. You would think that we have been living in some kind of utopia before where United was held up like some shining light when our rivals and people adjacent to them have always found some way to drag down United's achievements.
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The people saying this have been desperately trying to downplay City’s achievements. They compartmentalise them winning as cheating and it being easy so they can dismiss what they’ve done, now we might be owned by a state or affiliated in some way with a state which will force them to face something they’ve been trying to deflect for over 10 years.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
Reuters wouldn't have put out that story if there wasn't a development.

More likely Qatar has been told they won the bidding, and now we're just waiting for the paperwork to be signed. Exclusivity doesn't legally begin until the LOI is signed.
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Doesn’t necessarily need an LOI. The bidding process and high scale due diligence should have more or less resolved that. They could go straight to exclusive talks with a 2 line exclusive agreement.
 
TrebleChamp99 said:
I take it y’all are ignoring that it’s a private bid and that any bid from Someone from Qatar = Qatari state bid?
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Massive Spanner said:
His fathers personal wealth isn’t even $1bn so I’m curious where you think the $6bn is coming from?
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It’s well established he’s the front man of a consortium.

They’ve been very clear as have QSI AND QIA it’s not state backed.
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
Is this Raine group leaking to get Sir Jimmy to put in another bid “or else”
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They surely know his bid can't respond quickly to that. Reporting early this week talking about concerns getting a deal as was over the line due to the complexity of its structure. It's also heavily financed. It's probably going to take Jim a fair time to secure renegotiated funding for any changes.

Besides if it's true he only wanted 51% how lower can he go without paying the Glazers for them to continue to own and run the club with his money?
 
TrebleChamp99 said:
It’s well established he’s the front man of a consortium.

They’ve been very clear as have QSI AND QIA it’s not state backed.
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Where is this established? Serious question. I've never heard of any mention of any other parties.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
Stone said that his sources reached out to him to deny the reports. He even said in the podcast that Reuters never reported that Qatar had been granted exclusivity.
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Stone didn't make that clear in his tweet and jumped the gun. So it was nice to hear him clear that up in the podcast. And like I've said previously, sports journalism isn't going to provide concrete news about the takeover.
 
stw2022 said:
They surely know his bid can't respond quickly to that. Reporting early this week talking about concerns getting a deal as was over the line due to the complexity of its structure. It's also heavily financed. It's probably going to take Jim a fair time to secure renegotiated funding for any changes.

Besides if it's true he only wanted 51% how lower can he go without paying the Glazers for them to continue to own and run the club with his money?
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The Glazers are in no particular hurry. What’s a few more weeks?
 
Fooza said:
So what does this mean? Sir Jim has to borrow even more money to get ahead of the game? :nervous:
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I don't see how they can get back in front of Qatar at this stage. I could be wrong but I think the Glazers have settled on a full sale after months of uncertainty. SJR's bid has been described as more complicated so even if the Glazers are hoping he ups his bid it's unlikely to be more tempting than Qatar's. But hey who the feck knows with this takeover, there's been so many twists and turns nothing surprises me at this point. :lol:
 
cyberman said:
A lot of that is top heavy though. 3/4 of their starters came on frees so got higher wages because of it. That’s why you quoted wages instead of transfer fees, let’s be honest.
They’re making a lot of sensible transfers these days to the point it looks as if they’ve given up on being the team in Europe. If everything posters said about Qatar were true they’d be going into financial overdrive to compete with other big clubs but they’re not.
It’s Vitinha, Nunes etc. in fact all of their big names have come over on frees over the last few seasons.
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It is still expense at the end of the day. They already got slapped with a fine the year previous for breaching FFP.

For context, our astronomical wage bill last year was €432m. If you don’t think spending €300m more than Utd in wage annually for a Ligue 1 club isn’t ‘financial overdrive’ then I don’t know what to tell you.
 
JagUTD said:
Apparently all fans are equal so they absolutely represent the fanbase. Apparently. :wenger:
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Yes but we have hundreds of millions of fans so a few hundred idiots represent about 1/10000 of a percent of our club
 
glazed said:
These places are absolote monarchy dictatorships. They don't produce anything other than oil except the stuff they bought with oil money which itself came from the state. Complain as much as you like about stereotyping but applying non-medieval standards to Arab oil states like Qatar or Saudi is just delusional. These are primitive cultures that got lucky wth natural resources, nothing more.
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Wow
 
If Jimbo could kindly take his loans and army of hedge funds back to Nice so we can expedite the process of getting the Glazers to feck off that would be swell.
 
Any journalist caught out by the whole debacle where there "sources confirmed" bids went in that time when a few hours later it emerged no bids had been tabled and extensions were given, should be ignored.

That was evidence, to me, they fabricated their sources because they were sure that the deadline existed and needed to appear as if they knew what was happening.

Even reporters that have a reputation here for being decent sources on this have actually posted some non-committal, vague drivel over the whole saga
 
Mockney said:
They will. In time. This is us now. Again, it’s fine if you’re okay with this trade off. But we don’t get to complain about it anymore. Grin and bear it or lie to yourself are the options.
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We just have to accept that we are a sportswashing project and will join the illustrious company of PSG, City and Newcastle.
 
Cloud7 said:
People talk a lot about "our achievements not being respected going forward" as if the last 20 years hasn't been dominated by discourse around United bribing the refs and the FA, SAF bullying and intimidating people, how much money United spend etc etc. You would think that we have been living in some kind of utopia before where United was held up like some shining light when our rivals and people adjacent to them have always found some way to drag down United's achievements.
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:lol: Is this the line now people will use to justify Qatar? No United fan wants United to be liked, that would mean we never win anything. But we want to be hated for the right reasons: for winning, opposition being bitter, etc.
Now we also will be hated for being owned by Qatar. That’s a huge difference.

Reading on RAWK that United bribe the refs, so what? Have we been charged for bribing refs, or spending too much money?
Do we have 115 charges against us?

But the accusations against Qatar aren’t something taken from RAWK or talkshite, instead they are much much more serious stuff.
Liverpool have been accused time and time again on the Caf alone for referees favouring them, Klopp intimidating everyone, etc. But until they are taken over by an oil state that’s absolutely nothing. Just banter and worlds apart from actual oil state issues.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
It is still expense at the end of the day. They already got slapped with a fine the year previous for breaching FFP.

For context, our astronomical wage bill last year was €432m. If you don’t think spending €300m more than Utd in wage annually for a Ligue 1 club isn’t ‘financial overdrive’ then I don’t know what to tell you.
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But their wages are high because they took players in on frees. You’re trying to separate the costs here. Overall packages would be a lot, lot closer plus a lot of that wage differential is eaten up by the front three. Two of them have been there for a while now.
I’m not saying they don’t spend money but all these posts about them being an oil state which means they’ll cheat to spend what they want and if they fail they’ll pay some more doesn’t seem to hold any weight to it when it doesn’t happen at PSG. I don’t see them frothing at the mouth throwing money at the world to overcome the embarrassment of failure. They’ve seemed to have fallen in line with ffp if anything.
 
united_99 said:
:lol: Is this the line now people will use to justify Qatar? No United fan wants United to be liked, that would mean we never win anything. But we want to be hated for the right reasons: for winning, opposition being bitter, etc.
Now we also will be hated for being owned by Qatar. That’s a huge difference.

Reading on RAWK that United bribe the refs, so what? Have we been charged for bribing refs, or spending too much money?
Do we have 115 charges against us?

But the accusations against Qatar aren’t something taken from RAWK or talkshite, instead they are much much more serious stuff.
Liverpool have been accused time and time again on the Caf alone for referees favouring them, Klopp intimidating everyone, etc. But until they are taken over by an oil state that’s absolutely nothing. Just banter and worlds apart from actual oil state issues.
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I'm not trying to justify anything. I have been very straightforward about my reasons for preferring Qatar and I'm not going to attempt to justify anything they do or anything like that. I just think it's a pretty dumb talking point to harp on about what fans of other clubs will say. I really don't care.
 
The sports washing will definitely work, i don’t think it’s right to blame the United fans that go along with it though, it doesn’t help imo. The UK Government should do more to stop any and all state ownership in football. People will rightly be upset about the Qatari’s buying us, but to me it makes little difference since there are so many in the PL alone already from that region buying clubs.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Some of you describe Middle east countries like it is Mordor with Sauron as a ruler.
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Similar could be said about how some describe the West and the UK in particular but it's always important to note that both view points more often than not refer to the ruling class and not the average citizen.
 
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