Not forgetting our two greatest managers being born north of the border, one of them being an ex City and Liverpool player.
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What would Qatar investment offer really? Your already one of the highest spenders transfer fee wise and in wages. When Man City got taken over it was significant because they went from not being able to afford anyone, to launching bids for Kaka almost overnight. Its not like you need qatar to be able to do a 100m deal, or offer a 350k a week wage to entice a player.
I really dont understand what you think they will offer in the terms of the transfer market you couldn't do without them?
Or are you wanting the 200m transfer fee on a single payer and 1m a week to someone like Mbappe - the galactico PSG model basically?
Qatar or no Qatar, I dont think it matters all that much
I really dont understand what you think they will offer in the terms of the transfer market you couldn't do without them?
Or are you wanting the 200m transfer fee on a single payer and 1m a week to someone like Mbappe - the galactico PSG model basically?
Qatar or no Qatar, I dont think it matters all that much
I have found a very similar leaning among most fans I know, and attend OT with.
I think people have become more polarized as the process has dragged on, but most of the fanbase I associate with are firmly in the Qatar camp, and I did read something from Andy Mitten that talked about working class, match going fans, strongly favouiring SJ.
We just want the Glazer to feck off really.
Who is pushing that narrative?
There are of course many different opinions in the matchgoing fanbase, but the majority would welcome Sheikh Jassim with open arms because he's commited to clear the debts, remove the Glazers and refurb the stadium
The parasites are clinging on with tooth and nail aren't they?
Since Man City got taken over they have also invested another 1 billion in the stadium, surrounding area, training facilities etc. This is on top of spending in the transfer market.
It`s not just about the transfer market.
Qatar have the wealth to invest in that, they will also wipe the debt (supposably!)
We are restricted by FFP this summer so having Qatar in won`t have that much benefit in that sense.
I`m not pro Qatar or SJR by the way but it seems more likely that Qatar will have the funds to do those things - it`s not entirely certain what SJR will do in terms of the debt & infrastructure.
I have seen mates that support other clubs say the same thing.
Its not about the transfers for us. Its about the club.
1. Glazers take out money of the club, no other owner in the PL does this, which hamstrings us
2. We have 600m plus in debt so are paying 40/50m a year servicing the debt
3. There has been no money or investment into the stadium or infastructure
4. We dilly dally doing deals and end up overpaying anyway
5. Glazers do not care about winning, only getting into the CL
So its not about Qatar or not Qatar for me, its about getting the Glazers out and clearing the debt.
no debt and a new stadium
travsfer spending will stay at same level it’s been, which would not be possible under the Glazers as we’re over leveraged
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This tedious assumption that all Pro Qatari want it just for a transfer war chest is repeated on loop. If it makes no difference whether it’s Qatar or not, then we might as well continue with the Glazers as it is by that logic.
I love Utd have done for the last 40 years and I cannot imagine my life without it. I just hope they keep respecting the foundations that built the club and not just throw all the stars in.
Have you seen that state of Old Trafford and Carrington?
Qatar would be able to spend £1bn, at the drop of a hat, to upgrade the facilities. It's not all about transfers. I don't think anyone would deny that United haven't spent loads but this has come at the cost of deteriorating facilities.
Interesting, most I speak to specifically don't want Qatar. It's interesting on the different viewpoints.
To be fair the majority of polls open to members of the fanbase that mostly go week in week out (United We Stand for example) have come down pretty strongly on the side of Radcliffe's bid.
I think Sultan mentioned similar amongst matchgoing fans as well, unless i am mistaken now.
Hey bud. Yeah maybe i threw that around "too easily" but kinda reading between the lines or interpreting what wumminator was saying, or trying to push. Maybe when i say "some", I should just say a couple who are very active in this thread to correct myself
Tiny day today. So small you'd need a microscope glued to a telescope.
None of that is really relevant at all. Why are you lot so insecure about your support?
I'm an international NYG fan and the idea that I'd get hysterical over a local fan claiming I have less connection to that club is hilariously soft.
The bigger a club the less reliant they are on local fans but it still doesn't remove the fact local fans are front and centre.
It's like people are upset that No 1 fan mug someone bought them as a shitty gift isn't actually true.
This is the issue right here - people think we want Qatar to come in and splash the cash on players, when thats really not the case.
We don't need a nation state to compete in the transfer market. What we need is the Glazers gone.
They take more from the club than they invest in it, which has meant Old Trafford has been left to crumble, Carrington has become outdated, and we have to sign loan players like Weghorst in January.
Whether thats Qatar or Ratcliffe (well, Ratcliffe has proposed to keep the Glazers around so don't know about that) it doesn't matter, we just need the leeches gone and the handbrake off.
It isn't about signing players is it what either bidder plan for infrastucture development. The stadium and training facilities need upgrading not just for the first team.
Sometimes when you least expect something to happen, it does happen.
There is still hope for today , small, but at least it's there !
What if someone cannot afford to go watch football games. Does that make them less of a fan?
What if they have agoraphobia?
What if they have agoraphobia?
To me this feels like the slightly awkward phase when one person has been verbally told they have won the contract, but they have to keep quiet while other parties are informed / might raise an issue or grievance with how things have been handled. It can take a while for all the necessary paperwork and processes to work through, but what is usually a good indicator is for the contract winner to start on a flurry of preparatory activity, or the loser to make some announcement about a different project to distract away from the loss.
So what could we look out for as indicators in the United situation? I'd look out for us picking up quick wins in the transfer market. We won't sign big names until the new owners are announced, but we could well go on a buying spree of young promising talent, as this is low risk investment as these players will have a good resale value.
Id also expect some briefing from the INEOS side about new mergers and acquisitions on the Petro / Pharma side of things. They'll want to utilise the investment capital quickly as it has been largely static for a long period while this process has dragged on. They'll move that funding to somewhere else very quickly and will have already got a target list of potential investments as they've always had an aggressive takeover strategy.
So what could we look out for as indicators in the United situation? I'd look out for us picking up quick wins in the transfer market. We won't sign big names until the new owners are announced, but we could well go on a buying spree of young promising talent, as this is low risk investment as these players will have a good resale value.
Id also expect some briefing from the INEOS side about new mergers and acquisitions on the Petro / Pharma side of things. They'll want to utilise the investment capital quickly as it has been largely static for a long period while this process has dragged on. They'll move that funding to somewhere else very quickly and will have already got a target list of potential investments as they've always had an aggressive takeover strategy.
I really dont understand people that think this saga will interupt with our transfer window. Its not like the owners are the one making the scouting or even something with the deals itself.
Sure if we had new owners we would have a better summer, but the transfers will happend anyway.
Sure if we had new owners we would have a better summer, but the transfers will happend anyway.
Ok, I’ve not really got into this but I’ll lay my cards on the table. Been a United supporter/match going since 1976 and as the song goes “we’ve seen it all, we’ve won the lot” (and so on)! What I want for our special club is being able to compete with the other clubs that are able to be run efficiently on and off the playing field.
My hat is as you probably know is in the Qatar ring, do I agree in what goes on in Qatari no but I’m a great believer that religion and politics should never be part of a hobby/sports thing. I believe that the Qatar takeover would be the best for our beautiful club and city and most important part of that would be getting rid of the Glazers now not in 2/3 years time.
If Sir Jim gets it, then I will support him and his company.
My hat is as you probably know is in the Qatar ring, do I agree in what goes on in Qatari no but I’m a great believer that religion and politics should never be part of a hobby/sports thing. I believe that the Qatar takeover would be the best for our beautiful club and city and most important part of that would be getting rid of the Glazers now not in 2/3 years time.
If Sir Jim gets it, then I will support him and his company.
Are we there yet?
I have family who work on the Mercedes/INEOS side of F1 and Mercedes are not a happy bunch at all. They have tanked since INEOS became an equal partner and the continuation of the collaboration is an oft raised conversation.
Are you not aware of our debt and lack of investment in the stadium for starters?
For starters, it would mean the Glazers are no longer at the club.
We also have a low transfer budget this season, reportedly around £100m which is no where near enough. Carrington needs modernising, so does Old Trafford. We're also heavily in debt. All of these things would be sorted by the Qatar takeover.
It's still a valid point. Investment in infrastructure won't reap immediate results. So looking at our spending the last decade, the only hope for immediate success a new owner could bring is in installing the 'right' people in the important positions, in my opinion. Spending was never the issue.
Think getting rid of Woodward and Judge helped a lot in that regard.
It would. It would allow us to upgrade the infrastructure without suffering on the pitch. That’s an immediate benefit on its own
The Glazers don't celebrate Christmas I bet.
OT has a 74,310 capacity, we supposedly have a fan base of 650million + that is 1 tenth of the worlds population, as the UK only has a population of around 60million and not all of them support Utd it is fair to assume that 95% or more utd fans do not live in the UK, it would therefore make it slightly difficult for them to attend matches, by the bell-end view that only fans that come to OTs have any valid opinion that would mean that just over 1% of Utd fans have any right to have their opinion heard, yes match day revenues count for about 1/5 - 1/6 of the total revenue but it is pure bigotry to suggest that one set of fans should have mre rights than any other
Haha yep, it's infuriating.
I'd love to find a decent United youtube channel. How these guys and that Goldbridge fella get so many views is beyond me.
You need to ask why Manchester City were able to launch bids for Kaka at that point in time, overnight. They instantly became a superpower able to sign players that Manchester United wanted and made your club their little bitch.
Why would an Arsenal player sign for City back then or turn down the chance to play for united to sign for them? Answer……the Intention of the owners to make City the greatest team on the planet. They will stop at nothing, we were told.
You can hope all you want that having owners who’s intentions are to make United the number 1 club in the world won’t make any difference from having owners whose intention is to get top four, then rest on their laurels, whilst cashing out dividends.
A club will always struggle to go beyond the intentions of its owners consistently.
We don’t want or need a galactico model. We need owners who intend on making the club the best.
Qatar or A.N. Other whose intentions are to make us great, I don’t think it matters all that much.
Except to you
Unless you honestly think that us getting the glazers out and getting ambitious owners in won’t see us go past your club in the next 3/4 years?Again your ignoring our current debt like its nothing.
The Glazers have a habit of backing the manager and spending big when we're out of top 4 it's all about getting the champions league money, hopefully the new owner will be more ambitious than that and back the manager with what's needed to actually win things
Have you seen Sam on UnitedPeoplesTV? He is not as Clickbait and Tabloid like The United Stand.
Has our current debt prevented us from spending the most (or up there) of any PL club the last decade?
Don't get me wrong, wiping the debt, investing in infrastructure, these are all great things with outstanding long term impact. But nothing you'd expect to change our behaviour in the market over a year or two.
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