The absolute cheek of the turds!“yeah, we agree. No one is allowed to do what we did”
Club Sale | It’s done!
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Raine will care as much about Manchester United as I do about watching movies starring James Corden.
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Don't think there was such a thing as a billionaire back then.
Good they changed the rules but what about the existing situation? Surely you should be forced out as an owner NFL-style if the status quo is also non-compliant.
No, as retrospective enforcement would be a shit storm of legal battles.
The status quo is compliant
That creates a hugely problematic precedent
Proper pearl clutching from you there, he's spot on
If they’d only read this thread the whole process wouldn’t be an EMBARRASSMENT.
The rare positive example of pulling the ladder up.The absolute cheek of the turds!
Glazers hanging around like a bad smell, has to be the most tedious take over ever?
I think his intention is to ridicule the "moralism" of anti-Qatar posters.
It doesn't work too well, however, because:
a) Most people who oppose Qatari ownership are well aware of the fact that INEOS is a horrible company in terms of the climate situation.
b) The state of Qatar (the one trying to buy Manchester United) is even worse than INEOS in that respect.
Why? Bring in an independent firm to value the club (or use existing independent valuations carried out by whoever Raine commissioned) and make United available, subject to buyer meeting price plus accounting for premium (I don't work in finance, so not sure what instrument/equation would be used here) and promising x amount of investment over a certain period and meeting criteria for sustainable ownership given reserves, ala the Chelsea sale...
I specifically said "well run non oil clubs like Liverpool" - hence excluding us. Using United as a counter argument to City is lazy when we've been terribly run under the Glazers. The comparison should be the likes of Liverpool, hell even the likes of Brighton and Arsenal that have bought well but don't have the same spending power as City to truly compete.
I was sarcastic tbh.
And this is not time and place for that topic BUT regarding forests (which are my area of expertise) stuff which Ineos does (and chemical industry in general) is by far more lethal and dangerous than what Qatari do to them.
But as i said; i was just sarcastic. Every person here can play on morals in this topic. In that case nobody should support United after this takeover.
As someone who’s a trader, what I would add is the Man Utd stock trading activity doesn’t seem like it is purely based off the back of the Al Watan tweet.
People that know something could certainly be the ones scooping up the stock. There has been no major sell off on the back of the news that nothing has been confirmed yet. In fact, the price has maintained its level and continued to trade with large volumes.
My take is the activity certainly suggests there’s more to the trading than just the Al Watan tweet. If the volume of buying is on the back off people knowing something, it would suggest it’s Sheikh Jassim who is the more likely winner as his is the only proposal to buy out all the shares including the public stock.
For all we know, it could even be SJ’s group buying the stocks at a cheaper level than they would pay when they takeover is official and they enforce the remaining public stocks to be purchased at the agreed takeover price. It would make sense from SJ point of view.
However, what I would add is that from a technical analysis perspective like a mentioned a few days ago, the trading pattern suggested a break to the upside was most likely (without getting too technical). Even without any news I would have expected the price to rise on the breakout pattern from a charting perspective.
Interesting.
People that know something could certainly be the ones scooping up the stock. There has been no major sell off on the back of the news that nothing has been confirmed yet. In fact, the price has maintained its level and continued to trade with large volumes.
My take is the activity certainly suggests there’s more to the trading than just the Al Watan tweet. If the volume of buying is on the back off people knowing something, it would suggest it’s Sheikh Jassim who is the more likely winner as his is the only proposal to buy out all the shares including the public stock.
For all we know, it could even be SJ’s group buying the stocks at a cheaper level than they would pay when they takeover is official and they enforce the remaining public stocks to be purchased at the agreed takeover price. It would make sense from SJ point of view.
However, what I would add is that from a technical analysis perspective like a mentioned a few days ago, the trading pattern suggested a break to the upside was most likely (without getting too technical). Even without any news I would have expected the price to rise on the breakout pattern from a charting perspective.
Interesting.
This is tragically funny
Or force compliance with the new regime based on a plan to repay the debt over the course of X years.
As has been seen with the City charges, the PL is not a court, they can set their own rules.
Too often I feel people in the UK want to be fair to people have obviously exploited and damaged the country (in this case an entertainment emblem) for their own needs, instead of rightfully addressing the wrongs of the past
Good analogy.
They claim to be "mainly irritated" by posters who contribute to perpetuating hostility and division (by making enemies of fellow United fans) - and then proceed to blatantly provoking/winding up the other side by calling them names.
If you think that's "spot on", I suggest you read their post again.
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If you're wrong we should ban you
The Al Qatan business aside, I think the sentiment surrounding the Qatari bid has significantly improved recently based on what Keegan, Whitwell, and Faisal Islam have been saying.
Strongly disagree that there is even a chance the Qataris are buying on the NYSE. Risking criminal charges just to save some money on the takeover would be monumentally stupid.
I’m not exactly sure on the legalities of the last point but I’m not sure if they would actually be breaking any laws. Maybe someone with a legal background can clarify but I don’t see it the same as stock manipulation.
I guess it could be illegal on the basis it would be trading based on non-public available information. So you’re probably right.
Agreed. The movement of the share price is likely down to day trading chancers looking to make a quick buck should Qatar win the bidding process.
For those suggesting the share price is down to people having knowledge of the bid, how does that explain the people selling their shares? I'd guess they are in the INEOS is leading camp.
Yeah, forcing repayment in short space of time would de-facto expedite sale (as with any situation where debts called in and people/firms stave off bankrupcy), but it suits other PL clubs to have the Glazers in charge and crippling United (a club that, run properly, would still be able to hold its own with global supporter base and opportunities for income streams, against the oil clubs) regardless of the new ruling, so unlikely to get the requisite majority for this to go through, sadly....
Yes, that I agree with.
And for me, personally, I have nearly as many issues with INEOS as I have with Qatar. It's just grades/shades of horrible in terms of my own moral convictions.
I'm about half an inch close to stopping actively following top level football, and have been so for years. You could almost say that I'm just waiting for the last straw.
I have no issues with Qatar or Jim. Couldn’t give a monkeys other than I prefer Jassim as I believe he will invest more in the long neglected infrastructure. Both will have to adhere to financial fair play. Do I have morals? - No, the world is cut throat I’m afraid and you’ll search forever to find a clean billionaire that’s for sure. It’ll still be the Manchester United football club I’ve supported since I was 9 and saw Norman Whiteside curl in that FA CUP goal against Everton in 85’
The bottom line is that Manchester United is likely going to have deeply unpleasant owners for the foreseeable future and that's just the nature of the Premier League - sportswashers or profiteers. All we can do is not give them our approval if the former or our money if the latter. Just don't become a pearl clutching apologist for either. There are still people round here that actually think the Glazers were generous with transfers. They can't wait to suck up to the new bosses.
I look on in envy at clubs like Madrid and Bayern, owned by the fans.
First the "moral high ground", now "play on morals", these are some strange word choices. Some people have sincere moral beliefs, you know. It's not a battle or a competition, it's people trying to find out what's right. Surely you know that? It's really sad if you don't.
I kinda hate myself for reading every page of this mess of a thread.
No they haven't.
Anyway, let me just say this: I do utterly sympathize with fellow fans who have invested feck knows how much time and emotion in following United over the years, and who aren't willing to let United (as in: what United means to them) go over this thing. I completely understand where they're coming from and I wouldn't dream of judging them from some kind of "moral" high horse.
But - on the flip side, you could say - that's precisely why I find posts along the lines of "feck off then with your morals and leave us to our entertainment" infuriating. I don't understand where those people are coming from at all.
But - on the flip side, you could say - that's precisely why I find posts along the lines of "feck off then with your morals and leave us to our entertainment" infuriating. I don't understand where those people are coming from at all.
Oh I never questioned if you went or not or purchased anything, I just meant by your decision you’re now just like one of the millions and millions who don’t get to go.
Good on you for standing by your morals if that’s how you feel.
Deep down I hope you make some matches at some point as it’s a privilege many of us would lap up
...and when it's not announced on Friday, it'll be announced on Monday and if not Monday, next Friday and so on....
The truth is that nobody outside the inner circle of those actually involved know what is going on and if/when the deal will go through.
Glazers may yet decide to stay on for another year and then review the situation next Summer.
I think you'll find that we're in circle now, doesn't matter who started it, both groups will be trading barbs incessantly. The group saying the bolded bit will point to the "don't you have any morals, how can you support human rights abuse" type of posts, which will obviously be taken personally by the other group.
There are no morals in sport.
Supporting a football team is literally only morals.
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