Fair point.
I think we will be successful if it's Ratcliffe that takes over. Just to a lesser extent.
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I think we will be successful if it's Ratcliffe that takes over. Just to a lesser extent.
I don’t think fan pressure had a single lick of effect on the Glazers entire rein here. I don’t think billionaire Jim Ratcliffe will be swayed by fan pressure either. He will have a business plan and run it his way.
It's great entertainment tbf.
It isn’t up for debate though. How can it be? If someone comes in with a £10bn bid, the glazers are most definitely selling the whole club. So the truth is, the price needs to meet the point they find acceptable.
If Glazers weren’t looking to sell all of their shares, Sheikh Jassim wouldn’t be bidding for a 5th time unless Glazers and Raine group just like wasting people’s time.
Jassim's $1b pledge includes infastructure. Not just the squad. That's my point. We know his pledge doesn't include a new stadium etc because that's not enough money to even cover half a stadium.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manutd-takeover-sheikh-jassim-ronaldo-29871017
https://www.footballinsider247.com/...uth-about-800m-sheikh-jassim-pledge-revealed/
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...sim-submits-late-bid-to-buy-manchester-united
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...nited-qatar-fifth-bid-sheikh-jassim-takeover/
What else you gonna do on a Wednesday night? Good drama this haha
You know, the one you referenced yourself before in an earlier response to me.
I think it was safe to say that they weren't going to jump in at £6bn. It's normal for negotiation to take place, and there must be some doubt in both bidders minds about the £6bn price tag
Then you don’t get the much needed investment.
It is if Jassim keeps bidding less than Jim.
Wont affect the Glazers at all though. They'll just leech on and wait for their payday to leave.
Pressure on Rat/Ineos will be immense but he wont be involved at all, he'll do what he did everywhere else and appoint some figureheads, and if they're as incompetent as they were at Nice etc he'll just keep replacing them, no different to a Woodward or a Levy flicking through their rolodexes of managers.
Texting Avram once a fortnight to say you found 50p down the back of the sofa and you'd like it added to the bid.
Yeah if. It's not sealed is it.
Maybe Glazers and Raine keeping Jassim around in the expectation of that 10b bid incoming eventually.
Fan pressure caused the Glazers to spend to the point of almost losing the club… do you think they’d have thrown all that money at it if not for fan pressure?
Jassim’s offer and pledge to clear the debt will bring the debt firmly back into focus, and though people say they won’t care about fans, it’s actually really important for the success of a football model to have the fans onside. It factors greatly to how successful the project is.
Rat will immediately begin his reign as unpopular and with fans waiting to collectively release the tension and anger they feel at being so close to the removal of the Glazers only to have them remain.
The battle of hearts and minds will need to be addressed immediately or his public profile will go the same way as the Glazers.
This is good from a Utd POV is my point.
Honestly don't recall sorry. Can you be more specific?
I find there's still too much patchy information around as to figures, and what is and isn't included in that figure. Wasn't the initial Qatar bid inclusive of the pledged money, and possibly even the debt clearing to make it sound closer to the Glazers magic number? I heard that this new bid was about 6 billion dollars but that the pledged money was not included . . but that may or may not be the case. This very short deadline sounds to me like the start of a withdrawal manoeuvre and face saving exercise by them.
I just hate the idea that the Glazers could take a full asking price for the club and walk away leaving the debt with the new owners. It would be lovely if I could sell my house for the asking price and leave the new owners to sort out the remainder of my mortgage! I know its business and its not the same, but it feels so scummy.
I just hate the idea that the Glazers could take a full asking price for the club and walk away leaving the debt with the new owners. It would be lovely if I could sell my house for the asking price and leave the new owners to sort out the remainder of my mortgage! I know its business and its not the same, but it feels so scummy.
Nothings happened for weeks and the minute we get updates you want to lock the thread?! Get yer ‘andbag out and get stuck in lad!!
I understand that, but what is the total debt not including transfers? Last I heard it was in the region of £600 million. If that's the case, then we are in the hole to the tune of nigh on £1billion.
Thing is, this is that payday.
And if Utd continues on that path you describe, the worth of the club will simply go down.
Pressure will be huge to succeed, and expectations from fans will be higher than they’ve ever known.
Soending wasn’t down to fan pressure. It was about regaining the revenue streams that come from being a Champions League club.
They always speculated when we fell out of the Champions League and had a fallow year to balance the books when we qualified.
Bingo. They panicked when we slid down the league table, not because they cared about the fans, although thats a romantic way of looking at it...
I think that 1bn is just the money that'll be available to spend on day one. If it is indeed a state bid, they'll very likely spend as much money as needed to have one of the best stadiums on the continent.
If the repost are true, think its great he has given a Friday deadline. Taken the power away, accept my final offer or I am off....which may be bad, but either way its forces them into a decision not just with him but speeds up a decision full stop as there really only remains the one option then
The best news about today is the shit show is coming to an end after Friday.
Not necessarily
I guarantee Friday comes and goes and nothing happens. Guarantee.
I was just joking mate
As I said to the other poster, I was just joking. Jeez everyone is very on edge in here
They are probably totally confused by just how poorly he is going about this.
I can see them sitting round a table going well he has put in his fifth final take it or leave it over and still bidding less than Jim.
Do you think he understands how this works?
John Murtough is still in charge. We have another 2 months of transfer shambles ahead of us.
They’ve not accepted it either. We have no idea if the 51% deal is still in play.
Sadly not. Jassim has essentially just stated, ‘after Friday I will not engage further unless you come to me - but the offer will still stand’.
The Glazers could well do utterly nothing (which I would almost guarantee) and then in 3 weeks go running back to him and say, ‘yes we’ll take it’.
What it does do, is unquestionably add public pressure to the Glazers and make it so that when Friday comes and goes, the entire World will be looking to them and saying, ‘ok, so what are you doing?’.
It will mean that they can’t dither around wasting the transfer window and deflect it onto anyone else.
I really like this move from Jassim personally. I think it’s best for Utd, which is all I ever care about.
Indeed, even if he loses, it hopefully provides a backdrop of more certainty around the transfer window.
Although the Glazers are capable of putting a spanner in any plan.
True, we don’t know for sure. Which makes their argument moot. But if it still is in play, it’s more than likely not going to be worse than the 69% deal on offer.
I never got this lazy narrative. There was a cert. feck up on Antony overpayment (due to the FDJ pursuit), but him and Arnold brought in Malacia before Lyon could get their medical in, hijacked Licha from Arsenal, brought Casemiro in through a speedy negotiation process and still mustered something for Ten Hag with near zero budget in Jan.
Im not saying it's a well oiled machine but to insinuate they are a shambles is inaccurate.
Someone has to be the bad guy. Some have chose Murtough.
Yes, we only overpaid for Antony by one Gakpo (I won't even mention the elephant in the room) because we said we'll chase FdJ for the whole summer until it was clear even to our negotiators (if you can use that word) that he won't come. We then went for a PR disaster-in-the-making like Arnautovic and a dressing room bomb like Rabiot.
We failed to get those two as well and just went and splashed 60m and long-term contract for a player in his 30s, overpaid for Antony and failed to get Gakpo because we ran out of money.
We then couldn't spend in January because of all the feck-ups in the summer. But yeah, complete agenda.
Hopefully it's resolved soon.
I truly hope Ratcliffe(if he wins) has learned his lessons with the other clubs he's owned. There's so many reports of the shambles that's occurred at both clubs.
If he starts doing something similar here, we're screwed.
I truly hope Ratcliffe(if he wins) has learned his lessons with the other clubs he's owned. There's so many reports of the shambles that's occurred at both clubs.
If he starts doing something similar here, we're screwed.
To add to City’s CL victory? They’re absolutely delighted if old saggy bollocks gets the club as are the rest of the PL.
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