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Seems like SJ can’t really afford to go higher.

…puts an end to the state bid/moral argument as one man can’t be held accountable for Qatari past misgivings.

Glazers here to stay. Club debt goes to Ineos. Let’s hope better club decisions are made than the Glazers…
 
bosnian_red said:
So Ineos took over Nice in August 2019, start of 19/20. Right at the start of COVID which throws a wrench into a lot of things. In the 10 years prior to his takeover, Nice were (sorted from oldest to most recent):
  1. 15th
  2. 17th
  3. 13th
  4. 4th
  5. 17th
  6. 11th
  7. 4th
  8. 3rd
  9. 8th
  10. 7th
And then the years since takeover:
  1. 5th
  2. 9th
  3. 5th
  4. 9th
Is that them getting worse? Looks roughly the same as they've always been and just variation because of managers/random individual talent. Not to mention that 4 years of a non sugar daddy ownership plan (especially during COVID years) is nowhere near enough time to have a lasting impact.
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Didn't psg with the league within a year or two of the takeover? With 4 years you would have thought Jim could have at least made them a CL side
 
RedDevilUnited369 said:
Seems like SJ can’t really afford to go higher.

…puts an end to the state bid/moral argument as one man can’t be held accountable for Qatari past misgivings.

Glazers here to stay. Club debt goes to Ineos. Let’s hope better club decisions are made than the Glazers…
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Judging by their track record at Nice I don’t hold much hope of that happening.
 
RedDevilUnited369 said:
Seems like SJ can’t really afford to go higher.

…puts an end to the state bid/moral argument as one man can’t be held accountable for Qatari past misgivings.

Glazers here to stay. Club debt goes to Ineos. Let’s hope better club decisions are made than the Glazers…
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He’s just raised his bid by £400m or $500m that’s doesn’t sound like someone who can’t afford to go higher? The new bid is $6.5bn plus $1bn
 
Rojofiam said:
The amount of bullshit spouted on here by the pro-Qatari gang is crazy, but probably less than I expected in a scenario where it looks like Ratcliffe has won the race.

Funny, nevertheless.
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I mean, as opposed to the childish and petulant behaviour you have displayed in this thread? Even telling us beforehand that you will act even more petulant and childish if a bid that on paper doesn't exactly look good for the future of the club, is the preferred one? There are major red flags with both bids and none of them screams perfect for us, yet you want to gloat which I find baffling.
 
MUFC OK said:
Not here for condescending garbage like this. It's not "Feck the Glazers" - its Glazers OUT. That message has been clear for aeons.

You must be privy to the conversations between SJR and the Glazers to be sure that they wont have a least some say in decision making, I fully suspect that they will. After all they will want their shares to increase in value so only logical they will want to be involved. You said it yourself, the owner will still have to negotiate their exit in the future, with an option assumedly being that they could remain indefinitely.

Apologies for not being in favour of that arrangement.
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It's not condescending garbage. It's the truth. Saying feck the Glazers and Glazers out doesn't get them out. Being smart and finding a way to get control of the club with a plan to get full control in a few years is how you get them out, if they are unsure about leaving right this second.

What matters for us is we have a new owner in control. New people making decisions. How that gets done, don't give a feck, as long as it gets done. The person who is clever enough to get in the door, props to them. Nothing stopped Qatar from doing the same.

Nobody is spending billions on the club to take over 51% and not have control. That's a non starter. The Glazers want to remain on because they think it will go up in value. They are entitled to think that, and SJR is finding a medium that gives him control while they can see their shares increase in value because that is what it'll take.
 
Spoony said:
Didn’t the Glazers want 6b USD?
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Don't know why so many people assume 6b is a magical number. From the start, it was mentioned that they are looking for 6b minimum if they are looking to sell. Qatar hasn't been anywhere close.
 
Spoony said:
Didn’t the Glazers want 6b USD?
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6 billion pounds unfortunately, so both parties are nearly 1 billion away in the Glazers valuation. It does get a bit confusing when multiple places keep changing the currency from pounds to euro's to dollars.
 
ForeverRed1 said:
The difference is we actually have money and our own spending money. We can fund much of our own business. What we need is an owner who can pay off the debt and invest in the structure of the club. Also an owner who doesn’t take dividends out of the club for their own personal gain. I’d actually go as far to say that if jassim came in and made us debt free, spent money on the club were one of the few that would actually be better off for it. We’re not city. We’re not Wigan that won the lottery ticket. We can actually be very self sufficient. Once the club is bought up to where it should be, the club will fund itself. we have that power. Jassim will know that too. He will need to spend big to begin with, afterwards it will self run.

what we don’t want, is the people who have ruined us to be still anywhere near this club. They need to leave and leave now.They’re not wanted in any capacity. Not welcome.
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Sure. But yelling at them doesn't get them to sell. They are in control and choose what they want to do. If they want to stay on in some capacity, minority stakeholders where they don't make decisions but get money, there is feck all anybody can do about it. It's still up to the bidders to find a way to get in the door to take control with the future view of full ownership.
 
Giggsyking said:
FFS, he said he will challenge PSG for the title, why are people just ignoring that? Not only he failed to make Nice challenge PSG, he made them worse. They were better before him.
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Probably best to judge Nice in 5 years. Sure he’s had a bad start but seemingly good decisions were made that backfired on him too.

Football clubs take a fair amount of time to build. Newcastle got lucky this season due to their manager and smart recruitment.

Part of that was luck part of that was smart. You need a bit of both to get a club steered in the right direction.

Challenging PSG in the first 5 years isn’t even remotely realistic anyways. He probably meant in time which could be correct considering PSG underachieve usually.

You need a fraction of their resources to compete in the French League since the games aren’t such a high level.
 
BarstoolProphet said:
I mean, as opposed to the childish and petulant behaviour you have displayed in this thread? Even telling us beforehand that you will act even more petulant and childish if a bid that on paper doesn't exactly look good for the future of the club, is the preferred one? There are major red flags with both bids and none of them screams perfect for us, yet you want to gloat which I find baffling.
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Because there's like 10 Qatari fans for every person that doesn't want United to become a scummy oil club, and there's way too much made up bullshit against Ratcliffe and way too much made up bullshit in favor of Jassim.

When someone is bringing up all the unethical stuff Ratcliffe and Ineos have done in the last 20 years but at the same time begging for a despotic regime with systematical human rights abuses over its own people, women and migrants from mostly South East Asia...then they are colossal bellends.

Siege mentality, you know. :cool:
 
croadyman said:
Yeah and no league titles for us,hope you can sleep at night dealing with the devil JIM
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A legitimate concern.

Question: do you refuse to watch United on the telly when we play City or Newcastle? For those who have chucked their principles into the bin, it could plausibly be argued that we’ve been dealing with the devil.
 
Son said:
Probably best to judge Nice in 5 years. Sure he’s had a bad start but seemingly good decisions were made that backfired on him too.

Football clubs take a fair amount of time to build. Newcastle got lucky this season due to their manager and smart recruitment.

Part of that was luck part of that was smart. You need a bit of both to get a club steered in the right direction.
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Clubs in the same league with much less resources available, money spent and less market value have lapped them up on the pitch consistently though.

Its a fact that they were better ran in the years prior to INEOS ownership and it's subsequent nepotism
 
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