I hope he realises you can not have people running the club like he has at those clubs. He has to put the best people in charge, not the likes of his brother and Brailsford.
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So he's happy to just plod along and take part?
Seems absolutely crazy to me. That league is there for the taking outside of PSG they should competing for a European spot at the very least its been a shambles there's no excusing that.
He cant even compete in the Swiss league which must take an absolutely miniscule investment to compete, his side literally got relegated the whole thing is a complete disaster
I think the issue with PSG was it was always going to be difficult to garner any excitement for the French league. I think they feel its far too small a pond for them and they want a seat at the biggest table (which is essentially the English PL).
SJR has been the preferred bidder since he gave glazers and option to stay.
It only hasn’t been announced either way because they wanted to avoid protests in the PL games/FACup. So we’re only on day 4 of when it could credibly have been announced.
Pretty sure Qatar have it now based on this - if the Glazers continue to hold out and SJ pulls their bid on Friday then there's no competition for Ratcliffe and no push for him to increase his bid in anyway. In fact, he could even lowball based on having no competition knowing that its the Glazers only option remaining, and being businessmen the Glazers will be painfully aware of that.
The amount of bullshit spouted on here by the pro-Qatari gang is crazy, but probably less than I expected in a scenario where it looks like Ratcliffe has won the race.
Funny, nevertheless.
Funny, nevertheless.
The same journalists that gave breaking news of a bid, which you are reacting to as the truth. Either they are right, or they are wrong. Pick one.
Agree
To be completely fair if Jassim isn’t state backed then I don’t want him 
The whole appeal of his bid is that, access to huge funds and the ability to not care about making losses. If he truly is a private individual then he’s just some guy who we have no actual idea of his access to funds or his business acumen. At least with JR we know what their finances are like and we know he can run a business.
The whole appeal of his bid is that, access to huge funds and the ability to not care about making losses. If he truly is a private individual then he’s just some guy who we have no actual idea of his access to funds or his business acumen. At least with JR we know what their finances are like and we know he can run a business.Nice was a mid table club with mid table finances and wages and have remained so.
It wouldn't have taken much to turn them into CL qualifier.
It wouldn't have taken much to turn them into CL qualifier.
When they bought PSG they had 1 title in their history. Within 4 years (same time that Ineos have owned Nice) they had a complete dominance on the French league whilst Nice are fighting Clermont Foot for a 10th place finish
PSG were absolutely shit when they took over. Their claim to fame in the prior 20 years was having Ronaldinho play for them.
Qatar took over and invested. Jim took over and did absolutely feck all.
Precisely this. For them to do this in a league thats probably less popular than the second tier of other leagues is an achievement in itself.
Yes its sportwashing, yes its utterly shameless how much they've spent, but I don't think they consider the whole project the failure others are claiming it to be.
To turn them into a sustainable club with long term improvement? There's also improvement and there is transforming into being title challengers from previously being a mid table team. It's a completely different situation. Most of it is literally just tied to simply having a top manager in anyway. I don't know the full details of what they are doing with previous clubs, I also don't think it is relevant as it is a completely different scope of club with different targets. PSG is a better comparison because they are investing whatever they can to win everything - and they aren't anywhere close to it while being a fecking joke off the pitch.
Jassim couldn't afford United, I've no idea he'd make one our rivals the best club in the universe.
I think it's likely there has been a bid, I don't think it's likely they know the ins and outs. About a month ago pretty much every journo went with the story that Jim was about to be announced as the preferred bidder.
The only thing interesting about the French league is that they produce a lot of good young players, who then move elsewhere more often than not.
I think if they fail to accept the Qatari bid by Friday then it's Ratcliffe 100%. I don't think the Glazers have any intentions of remaining fully in control. The value of the club would tank and no investor will be in a rush to negotiate after this circus.
Imagine wanting the option that keeps the Glazers at the club, does nothing to clear the debt and is actually taking on debt to finance the move that most likely the club will be used to pay
Yeah one owner investing hundreds of millions every year for sportswashing with 0 desire to be sustainable, while the other owner is trying to make them sustainable and isn't interested in wasting hundreds of millions.
United don't need an infinite money sugar daddy. We need to be run smartly. Running United smartly leads to title challenges still. Running Nice smartly or sustainably does not. It takes time to get that right anyway.
They are however like a bad smell you cannot eliminate.
They turned PSG into a fashion brand. They've got a exclusive deal with Nike to carry the Air Jordan branding and all that jazz. It's not for me, but I'm not sure what else they could've done with a nothing club like Paris. But this isn't a state backed bid. Probably.
Well he better outline how he plans to manage debt and infrastructure investment the minute he takes over the club,otherwise can expect very hostile protests until he does.
They haven’t had their fill of fecking this club over. cnuts
We aren't the super club we once was. There's plenty of sides that make more than us these days that old chesnut is long gone hence why we need to buy to sell this summer cause were fecked financially
Continuing to make new bids, each one less than the one you're trying to beat is some kind of special. I can imagine him being told he has size 9 feet but demanding to keep trying on pairs of size 8 before finally walking away in a huff.
Newcastle were bought for 330m and have spent about 220m since they were bought and are in the top 4. Jassim is apparently bidding 6.5bn dollars for us. Maybe that's true, maybe it isn't, but if it is, if he buys another club for 3bn, that leaves an awful lot of cash to invest. City have spent less than 2bn since their takeover
The likes of fecking Lens and Lille, who have much smaller market value and resources available in comparison to INEOS ran Nice, have put up much more credible challenges to PSG than Nice ever have.
They've also actually qualified for Champions League football unlike Nice. That's why I laugh off suggestions of some grand plan to takeover and run United properly when they've already been lapped up by the minnows in the league's that they're currently invested in.
The same lot championing them having some convoluted masterplan for United constantly dismiss their documented history of running other clubs poorly as if that doesn't provide us with more credible insight into how they'd run us than any bogus politically tinged slogans and ego massaging of our current ownership...
Barkley, Aaron Ramsey, Kasper Schmeichel were all signed last year.
That’s 160m on Rice and Mount to Utd confirmed for this summer then
Not true at all and you are making shit up with no basis of it. United's revenue are insignificant compared to Ineos'. We would be an asset for them. That's it. Big clubs don't make good money. It is just dumb to use a big club to try and make money in a yearly sense. The only business sense it makes is in terms of long term growth of asset valuation.
I want the option the gives control of the club to somebody else and somebody who will be smart. We don't need a dumb billionaire. We need somebody who will take what is already one of the top 3 biggest spending clubs in transfers and wages and just make us perform up to our financial capabilities.
We don't know what they will do with our debt. Literally not a clue. Pointless to speculate.
Isnt Jim Glazer a Chelsea fanboy?No chance. Jassim is a lifelong United fan.
To be completely fair if Jassim isn’t state backed then I don’t want him
Even if he is private, he's pledged to clear the debt and invest in the team and the stadium, none of which Jim has done yet
Yep that's our only hope now but unfortunately with Ratcliffe we won't get the major squad investment still needed
If people listened and didn't make shit up there'd be no need to continually respond in such a stupid manner
If you look into the whole PSG - Qatar deal there is a lot more to it than football, or even club level football. The world cup bid was involved, billions of military spending to the French government was involved, and so on.
I’m don’t want Brexit Jim but even I have to say the pro Qatari gang have been on a roll since this thing started.
Jim Ratcliffe has offered the Glazers more money for their shares. That is all everyone in this thread should care about. If the Qataris are as keen to buy Manchest United as some in this thread are, they will offer the Glazers more for their shares than Brexit Jim has. It’s fairly simple logic.
All this shit about 100% 69% etc is for the birds. The Glazers are greedy, we know that so do what needs to be done.
This is a bit of a conspiracy theory, but I think it's actually about property for Jassim.
There's an article here about how McDonald's is not really a fast food company, but instead it's a real estate company: https://www.wallstreetsurvivor.com/mcdonalds-beyond-the-burger/
Basically, McDonald's buy up land, watch it appreciate in value, and then sell franchising rights so that people can afford to pay them rent. It's not obvious at first blush because we associate Maccie D's with burgers rather than acres. But it's supposedly how they really make their money.
I think Jassim is doing something similar with Old Trafford, especially if you look at how other billionaires (not least from his own country) have invested in properties in London in recent years (I think his father's former company part own the Gherkin, for example). The football club is the thin end of the wedge. The land is where he'll make his profit.
Old Trafford comes with a load of relatively undeveloped real estate around it, while only being a stone's throw from Media City and Salford Quays. There's a huge amount of untapped potential there. Jassim could jump the queue on that potential by building up the area right next door. If Manchester continues it's upward trajectory, Salford Quays could become like north's version of Canary Wharf (albeit in a different industry) and Old Trafford would be its Isle of Dogs.
Investment there would be good for the city, if nothing else. And even if Jassim decides to sell the club for minimal profit down the line, he could probably do so while keeping the surrounding land for himself and still coming out on top. I think this is why he's been so hesitant not to over-bid. Because he's as concerned about his profit margins as anyone else. Though I think unlike the Glazers, he sees a successful Manchester United as good thing for his bottom line rather than incidental.
Isn't it the Glazers "part" that is the expensive one? Like all the B-shares?
If SJR bid is ~ $ 3BN for 50,1% isn´t the last 49,9% going to be cheaper to buy (A-shares) = total value of below $ 6BN?
If SJ bid is ~ $ 6BN for 100%, then the Glazers get premium value for their 71% (or what the number is) since their % is more valued then the remaining A shares?
If SJR bid is ~ $ 3BN for 50,1% isn´t the last 49,9% going to be cheaper to buy (A-shares) = total value of below $ 6BN?
If SJ bid is ~ $ 6BN for 100%, then the Glazers get premium value for their 71% (or what the number is) since their % is more valued then the remaining A shares?
Exactly my thoughts.SJR owns Nice
We still have no idea how much of a day the Glazers will have but this is definitely not Glazers OUT. So how any United fan can be in favour of SJR is a complete mystery to me.
Glazers stay plus we get no promise of debt clearance or any other investment.
Cosmic.
Ratcliffe can do one as far as I am concerned.
Going to be funny when Friday comes and goes with absolutely nothing happening.
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