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Overtaking what? There is nothing else going onFor the same reason fake gossip overtaking the thread isn't welcome..
Overtaking what? There is nothing else going onFor the same reason fake gossip overtaking the thread isn't welcome..
Don’t want it to overtake the talk of devil crests!Most exciting tweet in this thread since November.
Come on dear baby Jesus make it happenMost exciting tweet in this thread since November.
Is referencing them any better? Kinda defeats the object of the ban surely?Posting tweets which are questionable isn’t allowed
Pearl Gray Equity and Research actually sounded legit until he started talking about transfers like a united fan channel.
For the same reason fake gossip overtaking the thread isn't welcome..
It’s kind of interesting to pass the time discussing and discrediting this stuff, it’s all relevant to the takeover and it’s only like transfer gossip. The ban on ‘dodgy sources’ seems weird imo.Is referencing them any better? Kinda defeats the object of the ban surely?
Not a bad idea, though dunno why it has to be in a seperate thread. We already have this one, the tweets only thread and the ethics debate thread - how many takeover threads do we really need?We need a full on dodgy sources thread where the muppets can go wild
Please post. I hope it’s Qatar. But without links there’s nothing for us to analyseTwitter saying it’s Qatar. Citing a source who is a financial advisor to Darcie.
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Someone else posted it mate.Please post. I hope it’s Qatar. But without links there’s nothing for us to analyse
Did your dream state which United?As an aside, I dreamt last night that it was breaking news that Jassim was buying the club.
A prophetic dream? We shall see…
Cool, will check.Someone else posted it mate.
Please post. I hope it’s Qatar. But without links there’s nothing for us to analyse
Genuine question(s), and I preface this by saying that I respect people wanting Sir Jim and I respect people wanting Sheikh Jassim or the Qatar state. To each their own. Doesn't bother me. positives and negatives to both IMO.
But for people who want Sheikh Jassim, what is the main appeal for you?
And hypothetically, if INEOS made a statement (or reliably leaked) that they were not buying United as an investment like Nice were, but just to win things using their eyewatering wealth, were going to compete for the best players, were in fact going to clear the debt, let United spend their own money, buy all 69% of the Glazer's shares and revamp the stadium etc would it swing it?
For the same reason fake gossip overtaking the thread isn't welcome..
Either one would be a massive improvement over the status quo.Genuine question(s), and I preface this by saying that I respect people wanting Sir Jim and I respect people wanting Sheikh Jassim or the Qatar state. To each their own. Doesn't bother me. positives and negatives to both IMO.
But for people who want Sheikh Jassim, what is the main appeal for you?
And hypothetically, if INEOS made a statement (or reliably leaked) that they were not buying United as an investment like Nice were, but just to win things using their eyewatering wealth, were going to compete for the best players, were in fact going to clear the debt, let United spend their own money, buy all 69% of the Glazer's shares and revamp the stadium etc would it swing it?
You do that.Cool, will check.
This. Exactly!My preference for Qatar is due to two reasons:
1. It's the only way we'll be able to consistently compete against the Citys / Newcastles of the world going forward. Pandora's Box is already open, unfortunately. I'd prefer if no clubs were state-owned, but given the reality of the situation, I'd rather see the club be in a position to compete rather than be an also-ran.
2. If they don't purchase us, they will purchase somebody else and turn them into a powerhouse, making our job even harder.
When Jim first wanted to buy United way before the bidding war I was all in with him to gain control, but after all the reports (and I can only go by reports) nothing will drastically change. Glazers will still be here the debt won't be cleared (I know it might be moved to INEOS) no idea what the plan would be except that Manchester United will be more British this what he implemented. While with Jassim we know the debt will be cleared, Glazers will get out, and a revamping of Old Trafford or a new stadium. I'm not basing my opinion on any previous management of Nice or PSG as we are a totally different beast and won't need to start from the ground. If Jim leaks a plan that is more appealing it might swing my opinion. Either Jim or Jassim win the bid I will not change my support for this club. We supported this team under the Glazers for 20years I don't think we will have worse owners.
Either one would be a massive improvement over the status quo.
My preference for Qatar is due to two reasons:
1. It's the only way we'll be able to consistently compete against the Citys / Newcastles of the world going forward. Pandora's Box is already open, unfortunately. I'd prefer if no clubs were state-owned, but given the reality of the situation, I'd rather see the club be in a position to compete rather than be an also-ran.
2. If they don't purchase us, they will purchase somebody else and turn them into a powerhouse, making our job even harder.
It would be hilarious if a Raine spokesperson finally came out in person and denied there ever being a sale in the first place.This thread has taken an entertaining turn in places. SneijderCafe vibes from 2010.
It would be hilarious if a Raine spokesperson finally came out in person and denied there ever being a sale in the first place.
When Jim first wanted to buy United way before the bidding war I was all in with him to gain control, but after all the reports (and I can only go by reports) nothing will drastically change. Glazers will still be here the debt won't be cleared (I know it might be moved to INEOS) no idea what the plan would be except that Manchester United will be more British this what he implemented. While with Jassim we know the debt will be cleared, Glazers will get out, and a revamping of Old Trafford or a new stadium. I'm not basing my opinion on any previous management of Nice or PSG as we are a totally different beast and won't need to start from the ground. If Jim leaks a plan that is more appealing it might swing my opinion. Either Jim or Jassim win the bid I will not change my support for this club. We supported this team under the Glazers for 20years I don't think we will have worse owners.
I'm not arguing for or against this one but i do think Liverpool under Klopp (and Klopp's Dortmund in some ways) and Manchester United under SAF vs Chelsea in the mid 00s demonstrate that it is possible that you can beat oil or massively richer clubs and that the victory is all the sweeter for it. With intelligent transfer strategy and the right investment it is possible (although obviously difficult).Either one would be a massive improvement over the status quo.
My preference for Qatar is due to two reasons:
1. It's the only way we'll be able to consistently compete against the Citys / Newcastles of the world going forward. Pandora's Box is already open, unfortunately. I'd prefer if no clubs were state-owned, but given the reality of the situation, I'd rather see the club be in a position to compete rather than be an also-ran.
2. If they don't purchase us, they will purchase somebody else and turn them into a powerhouse, making our job even harder.
Can it be done consistently though? Klopp and the rest of the organization at Liverpool have done an incredible job, no doubt, but even then, they have one league title vs City's five in the same time period.I'm not arguing for or against this one but i do think Liverpool under Klopp (and Klopp's Dortmund in some ways) and Manchester United under SAF vs Chelsea in the mid 00s demonstrate that it is possible that you can beat oil or massively richer clubs and that the victory is all the sweeter for it. With intelligent transfer strategy and the right investment it is possible (although obviously difficult).
'Clearing the debt' and freeing up around £30m a year in money that would otherwise have been spent on interest repayments isn't the panacea you and others strangely believe it to be.
Multiples of that yearly repayment has been pissed away with poor decision making and can be again. The priority should be to have a smart owner who will make good decisions, the 'clear the debt' stuff is totally overblown and a distraction.
I hear you that having debt wont be the worst thing in the world, and that it's ok to have debt (everyone is the world does) if we are making good decision, but if i had the choice of having some debt vs no debt then i will go with no debt at all. Now for sure if Jassim comes and clears the debt but then starts doing stupid decisions then it will turn bad, clearing the debt does not mean success on the pitch, but its a step forward. With the way things are going in the world who would say we wont reach Barca financial situation if we keep having these debts, without them in a financial crisis we will have a better chance in keeping things going vs if we have over a 500M$ of debt that might hinder our future
I agree that it's of course preferable to have zero debt.
But having a manageable debt with strong decision making >>>> having zero debt with poor decision making
I think in the whole discussion surrounding the ownership, far too much emphasis has been placed on the question of debt.
Genuine question(s), and I preface this by saying that I respect people wanting Sir Jim and I respect people wanting Sheikh Jassim or the Qatar state. To each their own. Doesn't bother me. positives and negatives to both IMO.
But for people who want Sheikh Jassim, what is the main appeal for you?
And hypothetically, if INEOS made a statement (or reliably leaked) that they were not buying United as an investment like Nice were, but just to win things using their eyewatering wealth, were going to compete for the best players, were in fact going to clear the debt, let United spend their own money, buy all 69% of the Glazer's shares and revamp the stadium etc would it swing it?
This is a little far-fetched based on what has been reported. The numbers you see quoted in the media for the bid valuations are almost certainly using the enterprise value, meaning that the amount of debt on the club is included in that figure. This is customary in M&A. The market cap is always going to be a lower number.I don't trust those sources, if wall street knew Qatar was winning the stock I would bet that the price would break $40 and if Ineos is winning it should drop to the original levels before the talk of a takeover, more like $10-15. Wall Streets jumps on rumors, its free money. You can't buy shares in MUFC plc for 1 million USD without driving up the price. Obviously, nobody with 1 MUSD on their hand is convinced that Q is winning. Nor that Ratcliffe is winning, because then we would see more shorts.
I feel a lot of people just want bragging rights over the neighbours
Who doesn't I suppose.
It's not the size of the wallet...