Club Sale | It’s done!

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This thread is like one of the many big player transfer threads. Many people speculative about the pros and cons of what might happen and how good it might be or not be. Arguing.

Then when it doesn't happen it's explosion time
 
JagUTD said:
Why? History shows that to turn a mid tier French club into the dominant force takes billions, a high degree of cheating and even then, you'll only be relevant in France anyway

It's a weak argument from those who only have weak arguments.
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Must be missing something. Maybe Nice consistently finished in top 4 or even challenged for a title in the last few years.

"weak arguments" :lol:
 
JagUTD said:
Why? History shows that to turn a mid tier French club into the dominant force takes billions, a high degree of cheating and even then, you'll only be relevant in France anyway

It's a weak argument from those who only have weak arguments.
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clubs has been financially backed by their owners since the beginning of football. Manchester United wouldn't have existed if a couple of investors hasn't came in and saved the day.
 
Blackbeard said:
I would add keeping the glazers on board when he must know how much the fans despise them and want them gone to that list.
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This has been discussed to death though, keeping on Avi and Joel Glazer could well be the only way we can get them to cede control.. if that's the only chance we have with the ability to push them out from the inside then feck I'd take it anyday.
 
Marcelinho87 said:
This has been discussed to death though, keeping on Avi and Joel Glazer could well be the only way we can get them to cede control.. if that's the only chance we have with the ability to push them out from the inside then feck I'd take it anyday.
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The is the level of gullible Ratcliff wants the fans to be.
 
AlPistacho said:
That’s dangerous. We need change for certain. But remove the name and passport or who the other bidder is. We’ve seen this man’s ownership of two clubs. Two clubs in leagues that you don’t need billions to make your team a top 2 team. Yet in one his own players are openly speaking out against him, people are protesting, they’ve regressed. At the other the team got relegated and do your research people are not happy.

While the glazers are leeches and disgusting. They didn’t come in and stop SAF from winning. Our football decline started with SAF leaving and it’s arguable United just went back to being what United were before SAF came.
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Our decline started long before SAF left. Ronaldo's money wasn't invested, players grew old and yet we kept squeezing every inch of juice left etc. As Scholes once said, there's something wrong in the club when your best CMs are at the wrong end of their 30s
 
Andy_Cole said:
Wow Glazer sympathisers here.

Genuinely think some fans have Stockholm syndrome.
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I would rather that they stay and sell to better buyer in next year or two than selling to Sir Jim at this current conditions.

It is not like a transfers when you buy a player, he flops and then you bench him and sell him in a year or two. Whoever buys us, will be here next 10-15 years. There is no way back. So i would rather stuck with these pricks who will leave soon anyway than risking with wrong/bad owner again.
 
It's possible to condemn human rights abuses and suggest what's very likely to be a heavily leveraged takeover by Ratcliffe will probably be quite similar to the financial and ownership structure everyone has been campaigning to get rid of for the last fifteen years
 
devilish said:
When INEOS bought Nice they said that they learnt from their mistakes at Lausanne and that they are fast learners. Look at Nice now
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And do you honestly think Ratcliffe would have the same level of commitment and deliver the same type of decision making at a new 6b asset which he cares far more about?
 
JagUTD said:
Why? History shows that to turn a mid tier French club into the dominant force takes billions, a high degree of cheating and even then, you'll only be relevant in France anyway

It's a weak argument from those who only have weak arguments.
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He didnt even manage to keep his promise about consistent european football though. Surely it wouldnt take that much to at least get second every year.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
I would rather that they stay and sell to better buyer in next year or two than selling to Sir Jim at this current conditions.

It is not like a transfers when you buy a player, he flops and then you bench him and sell him in a year or two. Whoever buys us, will be here next 10-15 years. There is no way back. So i would rather stuck with these pricks who will leave soon anyway than risking with wrong/bad owner again.
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Agreed with this.
 
HarryP said:
And do you honestly think Ratcliffe would have the same level of commitment and deliver the same type of decision making at a new 6b asset which he cares far more about?
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No one is saying he lacks commitment. Being good at business doesnt mean you have the talent to run a football club. Boehly springs to mind.
 
Marcelinho87 said:
I'm Qatar in so....

All I'm saying is if that's the only way then so be it
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Thats a way because Ratcliff offered this option to those parasites. He has no money to outright buy the club.

The Glazers would anyways sell when they see the club value plummeting because lets be honest, we aren't getting back on top with them.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
I would rather that they stay and sell to better buyer in next year or two than selling to Sir Jim at this current conditions.

It is not like a transfers when you buy a player, he flops and then you bench him and sell him in a year or two. Whoever buys us, will be here next 10-15 years. There is no way back. So i would rather stuck with these pricks who will leave soon anyway than risking with wrong/bad owner again.
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What is a better buyer? Nobody can be judged until they have been here to be bad or good, surely?
 
HarryP said:
And do you honestly think Ratcliffe would have the same level of commitment and deliver the same type of decision making at a new 6b asset which he cares far more about?
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Why is that hard to believe? Did you believe Moyes would suddenly turn into a SAF after moving from a mid table club to the champions?
 
Lyng said:
He didnt even manage to keep his promise about consistent european football though. Surely it wouldnt take that much to at least get second every year.
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They played in European football three times since the 70s before Jim took over. In the four years since, they’ve been in European competition twice, including the quarters of the Conference League.

They’ve got no right to be second in the space of four years in that league. There’s multiple bigger and better clubs.
 
HarryP said:
The 'Jim Glazer' stuff is so juvenile and petty it really drags this place down to be honest.

Ratcliffe's net worth is £30b and he achieved his wealth through hard work and smart decisions. His wealth isn't fundamentally derived from slave labour and cronyism.

Things aren't going as well as hoped at Nice? It must mean he will take the exact same decisions at United (despite it being a completely different animal) and he will have learned nothing from Nice.

That must be how he became such a successful business man and organic multi billionaire in the first place - an inability to learn from past experiences and repeating processes which don't work. I see it all now, what brilliant insight. This place should be marked for investment advice really given the genius level of analysis on display.
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No billionaire got their money from hard work and smart decisions. Jim's a cnut, just like all the others.
 
Dan_F said:
They played in European football three times since the 70s before Jim took over. In the four years since, they’ve been in European competition twice, including the quarters of the Conference League.

They’ve got no right to be second in the space of four years in that league. There’s multiple bigger and better clubs.
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Thats still far from his promise and look at the fans. They are as unhappy with Ineos as we are with the Glazers.
 
Dan_F said:
They played in European football three times since the 70s before Jim took over. In the four years since, they’ve been in European competition twice, including the quarters of the Conference League.

They’ve got no right to be second in the space of four years in that league. There’s multiple bigger and better clubs.
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So whatever there is coming out of Nice regarding how they are being managed must be all bs?
 
HarryP said:
The 'Jim Glazer' stuff is so juvenile and petty it really drags this place down to be honest.

Ratcliffe's net worth is £30b and he achieved his wealth through hard work and smart decisions. His wealth isn't fundamentally derived from slave labour and cronyism.

Things aren't going as well as hoped at Nice? It must mean he will take the exact same decisions at United (despite it being a completely different animal) and he will have learned nothing from Nice.

That must be how he became such a successful business man and organic multi billionaire in the first place - an inability to learn from past experiences and repeating processes which don't work. I see it all now, what brilliant insight. This place should be marked for investment advice really given the genius level of analysis on display.
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:lol: Play the hits, Harry.
 
Lyng said:
He didnt even manage to keep his promise about consistent european football though. Surely it wouldnt take that much to at least get second every year.
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Simply having money doesn't equal success. There's a whole lot of football and other factors that come into play. You can minimise the effect of those factors by spending a lot, but has he done that? He himself said that buying Nice was a bit of an experiment into how to make a football club financially self sufficient and build it to something bigger. I don't think it was ever a project for him to pump millions/billions into and we don't know how far along in their overall plan that they are.

Even so, it's disingenuous to compare Nice to us. You seem to have forgotten yourself that this campaign you also mention has continuously claimed that, as a club, we could compete off our own wealth if we weren't hamstrung by debt. So I'm terms of giving us what we wanted, he'd simply have to remove the debt as a liability of the club, which it seems he will, and maintain the status quo. If he can improve it in any way, and we all know there are ways to improve that even an idiot can see, then great.
 
HarryP said:
And do you honestly think Ratcliffe would have the same level of commitment and deliver the same type of decision making at a new 6b asset which he cares far more about?
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The issue at Nice wasn't a lack of commitment but more of giving jobs to incompetent people whom in turn keeps making the same fecking mistakes. One of whom is Bob Ratcliffe whose head of football at INEOS while the other is cyclist Brailsford who accompanied SJR at Carrington. I am also not comfortable with having an owner who can't be arsed to manage his clubs correctly
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
Thats a way because Ratcliff offered this option to those parasites. He has no money to outright buy the club.

The Glazers would anyways sell when they see the club value plummeting because lets be honest, we aren't getting back on top with them.
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Of course he could buy it outright but where would the sense in that be when he can offset tax on his major business INEOS by adding debt.

United would have the 3rd or 4th richest owner in the PL if he was to take over, he's Britain's richest man not some pauper.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
You tagged me a post about Iran? How is that even relevant? I wouldn't want Iran anywhere near this club either so I'm really not sure what point it is you're making there mate.

This place is honestly crazy and your post tops of the lot quite frankly. If you're going to counter what I said at least make it make sense.
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I made my point pretty clear but let me spell it out for you once again , most of posters claiming to care so much about human rights and plight of Qatari people actually lack substance they are just Virtue signalling ,

Point about Iran is that there is country which is rife with Human Rights Violations and regular killing at behest of its Government and there is e thread on it on this very forum in General Section but it's just 10 pages long and hardly even active .

But going by how many posters are so concerned about Human rights Violations and Atrocities in Arab countries in this Thread in particular , I thought most of those posters would have been showing their anger and outrage in thread as well .


So my conclusion though it may be completely wrong is that Most are Just Virtue signallers or their concerns and anger are just confined United's ownership .
 
Andycoleno9 said:
That is the thing. Ineos have history in owning a club that can be judged. Plus with them there is no full sale, isn't it?
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They haven't said they intend to purchase the shares on the stock market. They're interested in buying all the Glazer shares though, although they'll settle for the 50.1% if they can't convince the Glazers to sell now.
 
Isn't the Glazers "net worth" the value they can achieve for United plus the market value of the Buccaneers combined? People need to understand that's what 'net worth' is

With owners with a "net worth" that must be around the $9bn mark, why do those who cite Ratcliffe's wealth suppose they have to sell at all?
 
DOTA said:
They haven't said they intend to purchase the shares on the stock market. They're interested in buying all the Glazer shares though, although they'll settle for the 50.1% if they can't convince the Glazers to sell now.
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There is no guarantee that they will convince them to sell the rest later.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
So whatever there is coming out of Nice regarding how they are being managed must be all bs?
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Well done putting 2+2 together and getting 5. I’m not claiming they’re working miracles, but there’s no doubt that Nice are not a top club in France. European football 50% of the time is a massive improvement for them.

I would assume they can’t (FFP) and don’t want to (lack of return financially and sporting merit) just pump billions in like Qatar did to PSG. Nice are never going to be as valuable as a one club capital city like Paris and they can’t follow that model now anyway.
 
arthurka said:
Anyone else that has a problem with Jim's age? How long could he be bothered?
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His age isn’t an issue really, they’ll be a succession plan you would imagine, but it’s a small concern as to who will take over and how much interest they have in keeping Manchester United at the top. They might even sell should he pop his clogs, which would probably put us in the hands of a Middle Eastern state anyway, but INEOS would be a billion or so richer.
 
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