It would be better if they'd stop posting gibberish and just admitted this. The daily nonsense about Ratcliffe and his two minor football clubs is tiresome when the reality is, they want United to be like the other oil clubs, blatant cheats that are a disgrace to football.
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It would be better if they'd stop posting gibberish and just admitted this. The daily nonsense about Ratcliffe and his two minor football clubs is tiresome when the reality is, they want United to be like the other oil clubs, blatant cheats that are a disgrace to football.
So you don't think if Ratcliffe's sport and especially football engagements were successful people would have a different opinion on him? I can't speak for anyone else, but for me that's about 90% the reason why I'm very sceptical of him. The other 10 are because he's a tax avoiding, pro Brexit cnut of a Tory.
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Yeah we would rather take wins on fair play and dragging ourselves into top 4 every year rather than win anything.
Tax avoiding. Tax evasion is a crime and a thing you get sued for accusing people of.
I would add keeping the glazers on board when he must know how much the fans despise them and want them gone to that list.
Yeah avoiding
That's also true, although that's still a bit speculative as we don't know the full details of the bids yet. The other things though are simple facts that make people question him as a potential owner.
Is that is the sort of sweeping generalisation and prejudice you would expect from somebody who stands in the way of racism?
pot, kettle and black my friend, do not group people together, presume their beliefs, motivations and morals and then damn them one and all with the same criticism
your post stinks of hypocrisy and a lack of self understanding
I must admit I find it astonishing, and more than a little depressing, that a large number, if not most, of our fanbase seem to be demanding we become a sportswashing project for Qatar - is this the same fanbase that protested so strongly against the European Super League and Murdoch's takeover, back in the day?
I know the Glazers are rubbish and have left the club saddled with debt but given the alternatives right now it could be a case of better the devil you know.
I know the Glazers are rubbish and have left the club saddled with debt but given the alternatives right now it could be a case of better the devil you know.
He is, he's been quite active in this thread. One of the few who have actually contributed to the discussion.
Whilst I don't actively want Qatar to takeover, I think it's more likely you'd have owners such as the Glazers supporting a Super League model than the Qataris. PSG were one of the few superclubs not to back it a few years ago, and it's more in the interest of ROI owners to push for it.
Right now there's no enticing option that's been made public. SJR could be, but he clearly doesn't have the means to buy out the Glazers. Unless he gets them out of the club from the get go his ownership will be soured from the start.
The down side to Qatar is obvious and would almost certainly make any future success feel hollow. The fear is where does Jassim go if not us. I don't know how we compete consistently at the top with a SJR or Glazers run ship.
Even if you dont want Qatar, which I dont, its still quite possible to absolutely not want Ratcliffe either, specifically because of how comically bad he has run the other clubs.
What does "caf" stand for? Never heard it. English isn't my native language obviously.
Cheers man. I'll try to get to know myself better, love myself more and live in the now with my brothers and sisters x
Why would anyone want United to cheat when it doesn’t need to?
You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.
You all know exactly what you're signing up for with the likes of Qatar. It's how they operate and will do so as long as they believe they have impunity.
I agree. I'm not surprised one bit though.
Most people who are pro Qatar don't really give a crap about what that country represents and how it treats people. They are thinking solely about the club and competing with City.
If we didn't have Abu Dhabi and Saudi Arabia already in the PL.....I don't think this Jassim / Qatar state bid would be anything like as popular as it is.
I asked you a question
Also, you are making some sweeping generalisations there.
If anything it seems like you who has told yourself something
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Nice are a mid tier French club operating like an erm... Mid tier French club.
The only thing I or anyone else can say about the Swiss club is that the only reason they have even heard of them, is because Ineos own them and are also bidding for United. They are a non entity in this whether people like it or not.
Those trying to desperately make them relevant while completely dismissing the Qataris own track record or either incredible failure or cheating for minimal success would be better off just admitting they want United to be like City or PSG. Save everyone the eye ache.
Wow Glazer sympathisers here.
Genuinely think some fans have Stockholm syndrome.
Genuinely think some fans have Stockholm syndrome.
Why are you ignoring Ratcliffe’s atrocious track record at owning football clubs ?
The 'Jim Glazer' stuff is so juvenile and petty it really drags this place down to be honest.
Ratcliffe's net worth is £30b and he achieved his wealth through hard work and smart decisions. His wealth isn't fundamentally derived from slave labour and cronyism.
Things aren't going as well as hoped at Nice? It must mean he will take the exact same decisions at United (despite it being a completely different animal) and he will have learned nothing from Nice.
That must be how he became such a successful business man and organic multi billionaire in the first place - an inability to learn from past experiences and repeating processes which don't work. I see it all now, what brilliant insight. This place should be marked for investment advice really given the genius level of analysis on display.
Ratcliffe's net worth is £30b and he achieved his wealth through hard work and smart decisions. His wealth isn't fundamentally derived from slave labour and cronyism.
Things aren't going as well as hoped at Nice? It must mean he will take the exact same decisions at United (despite it being a completely different animal) and he will have learned nothing from Nice.
That must be how he became such a successful business man and organic multi billionaire in the first place - an inability to learn from past experiences and repeating processes which don't work. I see it all now, what brilliant insight. This place should be marked for investment advice really given the genius level of analysis on display.
I appreciate the explanation of gravity probably once received similar questions.
Nice are a mid tier French club, who got Ineos as owners and where given promises about challenging for the titles and european football, who instead have stayed a mid tier french club.
I am not dismissing Qatar. I said I dont want them. But I dont want Ratcliffe either because frankly NOTHING is pointing towards it being anything other than a shitshow like the glazers have been.
Id rather we stay with the glazers until someone who presents a proper project comes along.
No some pretend to be Holier than thou than have genuine regards for human right Violations and generalise motivations of any body with different point of view .
You talk about what Qatar Represents but not so long ago I tagged you about a thread about Iran in General Section of this Forum a country ravaged with human rights Violations and so many killings which happens to just 10 pages long so Much for so much misgivings and considerations about Human rights by posters on this forum .
And you didn't even bother to respond to it seems most of posters who care so much about Qatar Human rights and laws happen to just think of it only in terms of United Ownership nothing more .
It's just seem like case of Virtue signalling than anything of substance .
Given how Nice is not progressing and not looking to progress any time soon, everything points towards a ownership that have, in fact, learned NOTHING from its own mistakes.
If you are utter shite at running a mid tier club in a farmers league, how on earth are you supposed to run one of the biggest clubs in the world in the hardest league in the world.
You tagged me a post about Iran? How is that even relevant? I wouldn't want Iran anywhere near this club either so I'm really not sure what point it is you're making there mate.
This place is honestly crazy and your post tops of the lot quite frankly. If you're going to counter what I said at least make it make sense.
When INEOS bought Nice they said that they learnt from their mistakes at Lausanne and that they are fast learners. Look at Nice now
Hes a billionaire, so he must be smart enough to do it or something
Just dismissing what happened at Nice is one of the most ignorant one could get.
Idk if this was sarcastic.
Of course it was
Sir Jim added: “We made some mistakes at Lausanne, but we are fast learners, these have been rectified and we are already seeing the benefits " Lausanne had since been relegated while Nice are mid table club
So you are saying that INEOS bought 2 clubs so far and kept them in the same spot where they were? Great success that. It does goes with our standards for success last 10 years (top 4 trophy).
Jassim doesn't have his "track record" or cheating record. Even if Qatar will back him with money (which they will i guess) that doesn't mean that he will run United like other guy did in PSG. Truth is that we don't know how he will run this club. For Jim we have two examples what to expect. And that doesn't fills me with confidence.
Although i still don't see what they (Qatar) did THAT wrong in PSG to be labelled as failure. Except that they allowed superstars to lead anarchy in team (which is bad shit for sure).
who needs experts?
Why? History shows that to turn a mid tier French club into the dominant force takes billions, a high degree of cheating and even then, you'll only be relevant in France anyway
It's a weak argument from those who only have weak arguments.
Not sure about the first and last part, but the bold is 100% true.
If Qatar is victorious with their bid and does cheat, you will see the same type of excuses from City fans.
That’s dangerous. We need change for certain. But remove the name and passport or who the other bidder is. We’ve seen this man’s ownership of two clubs. Two clubs in leagues that you don’t need billions to make your team a top 2 team. Yet in one his own players are openly speaking out against him, people are protesting, they’ve regressed. At the other the team got relegated and do your research people are not happy.
While the glazers are leeches and disgusting. They didn’t come in and stop SAF from winning. Our football decline started with SAF leaving and it’s arguable United just went back to being what United were before SAF came.
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