Club Sale | It’s done!

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The most frustrating thing of all is there is no official dialogue from Raine or Glazers/Utd on anything public. Therefore we are left to the click bait ITK and Shite journos to speculate on scraps.

I am sure that the NDA’s are now very tight since the beginning of the process when both bidding parties were shouting their mouths off, but the suspense and waiting is agonising for the fans and must surely make it hard for the management team to plan for next season and transfers when they have no idea what’s happening.

Surely there has to be something concrete in terms of exclusivity or something to give an indication that the process is moving onto the next stage soon…..
 
mu4c_20le said:
So you're talking 30, 50 years? How do you know if the sheikhs won't get bored and move on. We don't even know if they won't drop a few levels once Pep leaves in the next few years. I don't see City building a dynasty because they tend to take shortcuts. Their fanbase will be purely tied to their succes, which makes it quite hollow.
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Yes it is currently but as years go by they would have enough emotional connect to stick with them irrespective of their results it has always been the case it's nothing new .
 
cyberman said:
If you’re talking 200 years down the line then it doesn’t really apply?
Nobody is forgetting oil states. It’s plastered everywhere and it’s not as if nobody will know What an oil state is 100 years from now.
It’s stupidly alarmist.
literally every top fanbase hates your club so much that they are willing to form a breakaway league the only thing that stopped it was English fans.
Can you explain which fan of the top leagues that have, say, 50+1 or are fan owned will ever give a shit about Citys hollow victories?
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So, let me get this straight - foreign top club fans hate that Bournemouth can outspend Roma, and they are willing to form a breakaway league, and that is all the fault of City?
 
mu4c_20le said:
So you're talking 30, 50 years? How do you know if the sheikhs won't get bored and move on. We don't even know if they won't drop a few levels once Pep leaves in the next few years. I don't see City building a dynasty because they tend to take shortcuts. Their fanbase will be purely tied to their succes, which makes it quite hollow.
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I'm extremely curious to know what do you think tied foreign United fans to Manchester United initially, and how they learned of the club?
 
Telsim said:
So, let me get this straight - foreign top club fans hate that Bournemouth can outspend Roma, and they are willing to form a breakaway league, and that is all the fault of City?
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Yes, they hate the fact England has so much money that they can outspend their top clubs.
It’s the same principle. It’s actually not since that’s legitimate money to be fair.
Do you think that doesn’t apply when they’re paying Halaand 300m or whatever it was to pay a 60m release clause?
Wait until Mbappe moves to England and the La Liga crying ramps up.
What will hold City back isn’t a rival fanbase in United. It’s not like Liverpool v United or Barca v Madrid that a middle ground fan can naturally pick a side. They are up against entire league fanbases that hate their guts.
Plus these future fans aren’t being test tubbed in, they’re being brought up in such environments.
I have another argument, I don’t think winning means as much as it once did. A lot of modern society and fanbases love waiting for the fall so they can say I told you so.
 
cyberman said:
If you’re talking 200 years down the line then it doesn’t really apply?
Nobody is forgetting oil states. It’s plastered everywhere and it’s not as if nobody will know What an oil state is 100 years from now.
It’s stupidly alarmist.
literally every top fanbase hates your club so much that they are willing to form a breakaway league the only thing that stopped it was English fans.
Can you explain which fan of the top leagues that have, say, 50+1 or are fan owned will ever give a shit about Citys hollow victories?
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Thing is, people are using the argument that "nobody actually hates City" as if it's supposed to defeat our point about them being turned into a vapid and soulless sportswashing machine. I'd argue it actually makes it stronger if anything.

To a point, I'd actually agree with the sentiment that City are less hated than United, Liverpool, Arsenal etc. and that's because people don't give a shite about them. I kinda feel the same way, honestly. It's hard to have any strong feelings about what City are achieving right now because I think it's just so bland and empty, because there's no fairytale to it.

I'm being serious when I say that Liverpool winning the league in 2019/20 is considerably more bothersome to me than the prospect of City winning the treble, and that's because Liverpool actually feels like an authentic club with a bit of character. This is also why I can understand those United fans who, seemingly strangely, wanted City to win the title over Arsenal; I can see how some United fans just wouldn't give a feck about City's victories any more because they feel really hollow.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
It isn't the money, it is getting the right people in to run the club efficiently, right management, right coaches, right scouting. Everything. We have had money, but the wrong people dealing with what happens with the money. It is not transfers that would be an issue, it is the club infrastructure being allowed to deteriorate while the management handed out stupid contracts to players not worth keeping, then signing past it players on extortionate wages that has been the problem. Whilst siphoning money to line their own pockets and running up massive debts.
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The Glazers have spent a lot of money. The problem is the lack of thought behind a lot of it. E.g: The money that was spent on fees and wages for Di Maria, Sanchez, Lukaku etc could have obviously been far better spent elsewhere.

Going back to 2005, transfers and investment never really came into the equation when talking to those protesting. We'll always have money. The biggest argument was that Manchester United should not be owned by someone with zero connection/relationship to our culture as a club and even the sport as a whole. Sure the debt was mentioned and the whole leveraged buyout element was a massive, massive problem but it was that which people focused on at the start.

The same reason why fans protested Murdoch with the same passion seven years earlier. Even though that would have given insane riches (relative to the time anyway) and probably seen us dominate the Premier League).

On a wider point, a matchgoing red asked me an interesting question before. If you had the choice between two fairly extreme options.

1. State ownership. Win Premier League and Champions League regularly. Team of world class stars and hugely successful. A Chelsea/PSG style turnover of managers and high ticket prices. Successful youth team like but the youngsters don't have a meaningful impact at senior level.

2. Hybrid fan owned/local business owned model. A team built around young academy players and others from around Europe. Finish regularly between 4th and 7th. Still win at least one trophy every other season but its usually the FA Cup, League Cup or Europa League. Can often lose star players to Madrid/Barca but new CEO/President Edwin Van Der Sar has drastically improved scouting network so we are attracting the very best young talent.Ticket prices are also lowered and fans now create one of the best atmospheres in this country and beyond.
 
GoldanoGraham said:
The most frustrating thing of all is there is no official dialogue from Raine or Glazers/Utd on anything public. Therefore we are left to the click bait ITK and Shite journos to speculate on scraps.

I am sure that the NDA’s are now very tight since the beginning of the process when both bidding parties were shouting their mouths off, but the suspense and waiting is agonising for the fans and must surely make it hard for the management team to plan for next season and transfers when they have no idea what’s happening.

Surely there has to be something concrete in terms of exclusivity or something to give an indication that the process is moving onto the next stage soon…..
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Yeah this whole radio silence is doing my fecking head right in now,Ratcliffe didn't help allay fears by not being clear about his plans regarding debt and stadium investment either.

Like I have said many times already this will only get properly spicy again IF Jassim actually goes back in again with an offer which finally reaches £6bn to match Ratcliffe's.
 
MancunianAngels said:
The Glazers have spent a lot of money. The problem is the lack of thought behind a lot of it. E.g: The money that was spent on fees and wages for Di Maria, Sanchez, Lukaku etc could have obviously been far better spent elsewhere.

Going back to 2005, transfers and investment never really came into the equation when talking to those protesting. We'll always have money. The biggest argument was that Manchester United should not be owned by someone with zero connection/relationship to our culture as a club and even the sport as a whole. Sure the debt was mentioned and the whole leveraged buyout element was a massive, massive problem but it was that which people focused on at the start.

The same reason why fans protested Murdoch with the same passion seven years earlier. Even though that would have given insane riches (relative to the time anyway) and probably seen us dominate the Premier League).

On a wider point, a matchgoing red asked me an interesting question before. If you had the choice between two fairly extreme options.

1. State ownership. Win Premier League and Champions League regularly. Team of world class stars and hugely successful. A Chelsea/PSG style turnover of managers and high ticket prices. Successful youth team like but the youngsters don't have a meaningful impact at senior level.

2. Hybrid fan owned/local business owned model. A team built around young academy players and others from around Europe. Finish regularly between 4th and 7th. Still win at least one trophy every other season but its usually the FA Cup, League Cup or Europa League. Can often lose star players to Madrid/Barca but new CEO/President Edwin Van Der Sar has drastically improved scouting network so we are attracting the very best young talent.Ticket prices are also lowered and fans now create one of the best atmospheres in this country and beyond.
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Isn't Edwin Van Der Sar hated by Ajax fans and he has a connection with Ajax. It is a connumdrum. Thing is the second option the club could go into decline pretty quickly. Running a big club like this requires constant CL football. Also we have a big fan base, but don't kid yourself that will soon disappear if we become seriously average for a long period.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
That they aren't squeaky clean. Was really just agreeing with someone else about their dodgy past.
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I doubt you will find any club to be squeaky clean and if we were living 50 years in the past then yes Madrid's successes at that time would be just as hollow.

If we are arguing exactness I can say "Madrid were never a plaything of a petrostate, but were a playing thing of dictator 50 years ago", but who does that make any current petrostate success any less hollow? It doesn't.
 
Real Madrid definitely weren't a plaything of a petrostate, they just got tens of millions of illegal subsidies from the Spanish government.
 
Transfer window opens in three weeks. How fast could this sale be finalized?
 
Telsim said:
I'm extremely curious to know what do you think tied foreign United fans to Manchester United initially, and how they learned of the club?
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Good question, seeing as we haven't had much of it in over a decade.
 
Zaphod2319 said:
Transfer window opens in three weeks. How fast could this sale be finalized?
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Difficult to say, really. There will be a lot of legal wrangling going on even after a deal is broadly agreed. I'd guess at least a month from that point until Ineos/Qatar are handed the keys to the kingdom. If it is indeed a sale of some kind and assuming we get an announcement shortly after the cup final, I'd guess the deal would finally be completed sometime in mid-to-late July.
 
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MackRobinson said:
I doubt you will find any club to be squeaky clean and if we were living 50 years in the past then yes Madrid's successes at that time would be just as hollow.

If we are arguing exactness I can say "Madrid were never a plaything of a petrostate, but were a playing thing of dictator 50 years ago", but who does that make any current petrostate success any less hollow? It doesn't.
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:lol:
 
Skills said:
The future is bright, the future is red and the future is Jassim :drool:
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The future won't be Jassim UNLESS he comes back with a fifth bid for £6bn. That would them give him control of this again but got serious doubts he will meet that price
 
croadyman said:
The future won't be Jassim UNLESS he comes back with a fifth bid for £6bn. That would them give him control of this again but got serious doubts he will meet that price
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I am pretty convinced that Jassim will not have to offer more than he has already. Looks like it is up to Jim to make the next move.
 
croadyman said:
Just a gut feeling from the reports of his last bid STILL being lower than Ratcliffe's overall
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Why do some posters make statements as fact when its just a gut feeling :lol:
Also Jassim's bid would likely be a lot more attractive than Ratcliff's. The former pays up front which is a big big deal, moreso than Ratcliff valuing the club higher, if he's going to pay in instalments then it's not as valuable to Glazers. Cash upfront is king.
 
Water Melon said:
I am pretty convinced that Jassim will not have to offer more than he has already. Looks like it is up to Jim to make the next move.
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What gives you that impression when Ratcliffe is offering them £6bn albeit over 2-4 years and allowing those leeches to stay
 
VP89 said:
Why do some posters make statements as fact when its just a gut feeling :lol:
Also Jassim's bid would likely be a lot more attractive than Ratcliff's. The former pays up front which is a big big deal, moreso than Ratcliff valuing the club higher, if he's going to pay in instalments then it's not as valuable to Glazers. Cash upfront is king.
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So why aren't outlets saying cash upfront is king then as you kindly put it
 
croadyman said:
So why aren't outlets saying cash upfront is king then as you kindly put it
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Outlets are just saying Jim's bid values the club higher. They aren't saying the bid is more attractive to Glazers. They've carefully worded their articles so as to get some clicks, but ultimately 5.5bn upfront is more tasty than a similar amount structured.

In fact the journalists that came on SkySports earlier in the week said Glazers are businessmen and they'll go for where the money is and if they were to bet on that basis they would bet on Jassim's offer.
 
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