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cheekybackheel said:
You've taken my point completely the wrong way. You're mixing up LGBT awareness with choice. My feelings towards the LGBT community and the Qatar bid are two totally different things.

I've nothing against the LGBT community whatsoever, I have friends and family who are members.

I'm simply pointing out that if they don't like Qatari ownership then they have a choice to voice their feelings or stop supporting the club. But my point still stands when comparing their views with millions of others. Why should we not have Qatari ownership if millions of fans want it but a minority few don't?

If I don't like the Purple chocolate in a box of Quality Street because it contains a nut and gives me an allergy, should Nestle remove it just for me when millions of others love it?

If I were in the LGBTQ community and I didn't want Qatari ownership then think outside the box and make their voices heard.

If the Qataris take over then how about changing their banner in the stadium to

LGBTQataris Out!

With a little bit of thought they could actually get their message across to the owners easier than they think.
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So your gripe is with cancel culture? If that's true then I am beginning to understand your argument.

However, your rationale of majority vs. minority interests doesn't ring true and goes against modern societal values. That's why people are not taking you seriously.

My point is more around should United fans be the gatekeepers of morality in the first place? Shouldn't the government stop all trade with Qatar? If they haven't, then why can't we consider them as legitimate buyers especially when the asset is so overpriced that most serious buyers are out of the picture and we want rid of our horrendous owners.
 
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Your point being? It's not a contradiction at all.

Give me one thing you have recently purchased and I will show you how you are condoning discrimination and human rights abuses.
 


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. Qatar is preparing to raise a final offer to buy Manchester United for about 6 billion pounds
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Not entirely sure who this person is but he’s got 320k followers and claims to be ‘Saudi Sports Media Federation’
 
whitbyviking said:
Do you think the money from Qatar is a gift? It will be funded by investors, if it is not funded by the state which is a whole different can of worms.

If Sheikh Jassim is a private investor then he will be using money from other private investors, as he doesn't have the money himself. Qatar are not doing this for philanthropy, there will be investor lead motives, maybe the land around Old Trafford, maybe the opportunities in Manchester or the UK, maybe sportwashing. Who knows.

This whole conversation around Ineos, debt etc completely ignores there are equally as many question marks (if not more, since Qatari net worths appear to be a mystery, as does the source of the money).

People really need to take the blinkers off and realise that the umlimited pots of gold offered by Sheikh Jassim will also come with conditions. It is not a case of free money vs guaranteed debt.
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Yes exactly.

For Qatar,/Jassim's father it's an investment and one he doesn't quite like and they'll be borrowing money just the same. What Qatar or any potential buyer want to do is pay closer to it's real value and have some room to put money into the club/area and team.

The biggest problem for us is the Glazers are trying to squeeze as much as possible, it then makes it difficult for Qatar or Ineos to pay £6bn then another £2bn for a new stadium etc, it's a lot interest being paid each year for each billion loaned. There comes a point where it's not economically viable factoring in the marketing/sportwashing and the probable slow increase in value over time like any real estate, it's inflating a fee based on rarity and emotion and placing more of a gamble on how the game grows and United stay important.

Qatar/Ineos could pay 6-7 billion but won't have much room to do much else with us and our relative value could slide further away. If United can't be bought for a realistic price it would be better to buy another club for 500m-1bn and turn that around into a super club like has been done with City Newcastle and PSG.

Sir Jim could say feck it I really want a PL club and United, pay a silly premium to the Glazers and find it difficult to finance a stadium as Ineos are servicing too much debt in all their ventures. I'm also worried how his children and others at the private company see our club if Jim passes away. Would they be inclined to sell, will Ineos profits slow without Jim and get bought buy some other company. We could be sold multiple times in the next 10 years in umbrella corps and never get any projects sorted. Would've been great for someone like Jim to buy us 10-15 years ago.
 
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Berbaclass said:


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Not entirely sure who this person is but he’s got 320k followers and claims to be ‘Saudi Sports Media Federation’
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No need to question the guys integrity. I’m fully on board with what he says.
 
Berbaclass said:


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Not entirely sure who this person is but he’s got 320k followers and claims to be ‘Saudi Sports Media Federation’
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That's why they haven't even surpassed 5 billion after 3 rounds. Now they'll just suddenly chuck in a whole billion.
 
I genuinely think that nobody has a clue what's going on... Just like a transfer saga, it needs to be on the BBC - United Sold
 
Berbaclass said:
That’s literally what they’d have to pay to outbid
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Yes, I'm aware of that. Just think that this guy doesn't know anything. His tweets are getting double digit like numbers while having 320k followers, and he's not followed by anyone I'm following either, which is weird too.
 
Please save us Obi wan Qatari.

Not but for real, feck Ratcliffe enabling the rats for another 20 years.
 
El-Manos said:
“Unlikely any deal before summer” that’s our transfer window fecked then.
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Yeah this is the worry for me here. Whether it’s JR or Qatar we really needed them in before the summer or else that’s next season down the drain as well. No telling how much the Glazers will be willing to invest this summer knowing they’re out the door soon.
 
webbthepostie said:
There is a clear difference between the two. I strongly agree with you that anyone painting Ratcliffe as a saint is being daft though.
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There's a difference, but if you're accepting of one and not the other it basically means you're OK with a degree of homphobia and modern day slavery as long as its a little bit separated

A question I asked earlier is if Ratcliffe was currently doing business with putin, would that be a red line or not? If so then your issue is one of degree, and not one of principle
 
Berbaclass said:
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I said that because I follow almost every single reputable journalist that has a good track record and a big following. Even the @Qatari guy is followed by Romano, Peach and Jacobs, even though he's a total fraud.

But go on, and keep clinging onto anything you can find, cause that's what you've been doing in the last 2 weeks.
 
Rojofiam said:
I said that because I follow almost every single reputable journalist that has a good track record and a big following. Even the @Qatari guy is followed by Romano, Peach and Jacobs, even though he's a total fraud.

But go on, and keep clinging onto anything you can find, cause that's what you've been doing in the last 2 weeks.
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Ahh sorry. I didn’t realise you know everything :rolleyes:
 
jm99 said:
There's a difference, but if you're accepting of one and not the other it basically means you're OK with a degree of homphobia and modern day slavery as long as its a little bit separated

A question I asked earlier is if Ratcliffe was currently doing business with putin, would that be a red line or not? If so then your issue is one of degree, and not one of principle
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Yes and no. States make laws, companies don't so it's a false equvalence imo. Undoubtably Ratcliffe's bid is nothing more than the lesser of two evils if we really want to equate the two.
 
Berbaclass said:
Also. I’m not clinging to anything. I would prefer Qatar no doubt but I’m totally okay with either of the two at this stage. Said that multiple times. I just want the process to be over.
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Yes, it would be great if this didn't drag on more than it already has. Not optimistic though, since I expected yesterday's news to arrive about 7-8 days before it actually did...just hope this was the last delay, but doubt it.
 
Berbaclass said:


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Not entirely sure who this person is but he’s got 320k followers and claims to be ‘Saudi Sports Media Federation’
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It’s in Arabic so it must be true
 
Widow said:
Why?
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Berbaclass said:
Proof?
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Look at the first tweets before he pretended to be a journalist. It was a fanpage for SpongeBob Squarepants

Also it’s not up to me to prove it’s fake, the thread clearly asks for no dodgy sources and that is clearly a dodgy source

Do you understand the disappointment of waiting for a tweet to load, hoping it’s BBC News announcing that Joel and Avram Glazer are going to be shoved back up their mothers minge and forgotten about, just for it to be something like that
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Look at the first tweets before he pretended to be a journalist. It was a fanpage for SpongeBob Squarepants

Also it’s not up to me to prove it’s fake, the thread clearly asks for no dodgy sources and that is clearly a dodgy source

Do you understand the disappointment of waiting for a tweet to load, hoping it’s BBC News announcing that Joel and Avram Glazer are going to be shoved back up their mothers minge and forgotten about, just for it to be something like that
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Honestly, no.
 
Widow said:
It is if you're the one calling it out.

I generally wanted to know if you knew for a fact that it was fake. It looks like it's just guesswork, just like the rest of the recent Tweets
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We’ll, it says “known journos only” - do you know that journo?

Im not the one you should be focusing on
 
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