That applies to the qatari bit too. We still don't know how he is actually going to finance it and if it's a private investment or not.
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That applies to the qatari bit too. We still don't know how he is actually going to finance it and if it's a private investment or not.
Unless he misses out on top 4 of course
It's neither a negative or a positive then
They are 8th mate. This has been done to death. There's certainly some pros when it comes to Ratcliffe, his previous sports engagements aren't one of them.
I don't believe anything. I prefer Ratcliffe over the other options but I have no idea how he would do as United owner. Nobody does. Speaking for myself I will try and offer some balance or a counter argument to some points out forward but I've never said Ratcliffe will or will not be successful.
Like everyone here, my main focus is the Glazers no longer running the club. Beyond that I have some big concerns over State ownership, both moral and the fact I have been a very vocal critic of the like a of Man City so given the choice in front of us, Ratcliffe is my preferred option.
If there were other options on the table, who knows.
I do hope Ratcliffe is a good owner as I am sure we all do, if he wins. If Qatar win then while I wouldn't walk away from the club that's been part of my life for over 30 years, things would feel hollow for me personally. I can't lie though, I'd probably still celebrate, it's ingrained into me at this point and basically a natural reaction. Who doesn't sit their watching a game only to suddenly explode with joy because of a goal?
Quite easily. What would you like to know.
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Everything feels so obvious now. The Glazers aren't 100% sure they will stay. But they wouldn't mind. So right now Jim is in pole position with the better offer. They are playing the waiting game for a few more days to see if Qatar will upper their offer. If not, Jim will be the preferred bidder before the end of next week. But they want the situationen to be solved (if they are staying) before the transfer windows open. If they are gonna stick around they really need to be active on the transfer market so next season isn't ruined, which will damage themselves. But if they are gonna sell they don't give a shit. So it's a thin line.
I mean given the strength of the French league, you'd think taking a top 8 side and making them the 2nd best team in the country shouldn't take that long, Qatar took psg from midtable to champions in 2 years, UAE took city from midtable to champions in 4. Jim has taken nice from top 8 to top 8 in 4 years, they averaged a 6th place finish the 4 seasons before the takeover and 7th the 4 seasons after.
I don't think anyone expected him to compete with psg, but to not improve in 4 years is some going
No experience in football or sport. Very likely that he isn't the real money behind the bid too.
I wish people would just say 'oil me up' rather than hiding behind these pathetic excuses. It's so so transparent why people want Qatar.
As I said if Qatar wasn't in this race you'd all be thinking very differently about Jim and treating him as a hero for taking over.
What the chances of this all being officially concluded by next week or is it still going to drag and drag on without any official announcement?
Absolutely zero
What on earth are you talking about? Where has it been said our debt will be 5bn?
Any debt will be placed on INEOS also and believe me they can handle it. Their revenue absolutely dwarves that of the club.
People on this forum don't understand the basic concepts of business. It's genuinely scary.
This is such an odd point, I'm sure in 2008 if City fans had been offered an owner who would have made them consistently top 6, they'd have been overjoyed, but ask them if that would be their preference now and they'd say no. There is another option on the table, one that many feel would make us more successful, saying people would be happy with Jim if Qatar wasn't an option isn't really relevant when Qatar is an option. I don't think anyone has said they would rather the Glazers stay than get Jim in, maybe they have but it would be stupid
How much do Nice spend? Has Ratcliffe placed large debts on the club? Does he take dividends? Do they overspend on wages and transfers? How well are they actually run as a club?
Yes you just bomb poor countries and kill thousands of Civilians and Kids
They believe he will run us properly compared to Nice & Lausanne. Nothing would make me happier than to see the likes of me, Utd Stand, Utd View, Tony O Neill proved wrong by him and INEOS but just haven't seen enough evidence.
They also have the 9th or 10th highest wage bill in the league, so are actually performing about on par with expectations.
This year they've had a good Europa Conference League run which will have impacted their league form, as is often the case with smaller clubs when they get into Europe.
If Ineos were pouring hundreds of millions into Nice and finishing 8th, it would be a valid argument but they're not. They've spent about €100m since taking over, which is about half of what PSG pay Mbappe...
The most we get next week is confirmation of who the Glazers intend to sell the club to. Things could drag on for quite a while before paperwork is final.Dearie me
Well I don't know, but I've got to be honest, if in 4 years time we're still struggling for a top 4 finish, then i would view it as a failure, no matter of he placed no debts and took no dividends. If there was no improvement in 4 years in terms of our on field success, then everything else is irrelevant
Hard to imagine.
It's neither a negative or a positive then
It's non existent. He's a front man for a Qatari bid. He doesn't have 6bn to buy a football club. You'd have to be worth 25-30bn in reality to drop that about of money on a football club as nobody is going to invest their entire net worth are they?
Why are you so convinced they are going to be good for us? PSG Ultras fans are currently protesting their owners and they still haven't won the CL..
As I said I'm not following the ins and outs.
Isn't that the point though, people see them not investing in a league where there isn't the same kind of completion as the Premier league and wouldn't require the same kind of investment to become a top 3 side and regularly qualify for the champions league, and are understandably skeptical that they'd invest money in us, in a league that's far more competitive and would require a much higher level of investment to guarantee top 4 each year, and an absolute fortune to compete with city
Even closer to the Solskjaer equivalent of ownership.
Trying to convince the rabid top reds anything we get wrong can be related to Brexit Jimmy will be worse than that loser we had as a manager.
I still hope Qatar come in with last-minute because 10 years of shit play and winning feck all does not make me excited to see what some Brexit Boomer can do in another 10 years. Just yuck.
Trying to convince the rabid top reds anything we get wrong can be related to Brexit Jimmy will be worse than that loser we had as a manager.
I still hope Qatar come in with last-minute because 10 years of shit play and winning feck all does not make me excited to see what some Brexit Boomer can do in another 10 years. Just yuck.
Yes, exactly. Its he coming here and say what he failed at? Not spending billions competing with City etc?
We need someone who can take us to greatness again, not a failure with pretty excuses.
Unless I missed something it's 6th.
Psg went from midtable to the champions league final in 9 years. Nice havefinished lower on average in the 4 years since Jim took over, its not hard to see why people might think Qatar is likely to be better,
Why is it so hard for people to say, yes clearly Qatar would be better, but I don't want them here for non football reasons so I'll take Jim even though we'll likely be less successful. Trying to pretend that Jim will mean more success than Qatar is just odd
It's irrelevant as pointed out that City owners don't invest into their other clubs to try and take on Barca and Madrid.
His cycling team does very well. Hasn't he been involved with F1 too and done very well?
Well that’ll be an optimistic start tbh if true.
Yes, and my rebuttal would be that celebrating LGBT pride day means very little if you then proceed to prohibit LGBT people from freely existing within your country.
The implication that we need not worry about their persecution of the LGBT community in Qatar because they make token gestures like celebrating pride day over here is textbook sportswashing, and exactly why I imagine a number of LGBT supporters might be concerned about Sheikh Jassim taking over at United. I can't speak for any of them, of course, but I for one think those who have come out and expressed these concerns are entirely justified in doing so.
Anyway, this time I really have said all I think I have to offer on this.
To use words once said by a football ***********, Ratcliffe is a specialist in failure. I will also include Mercedes Formula 1 on the list since the day when he poked his nose in.
City owners probably don't want the other clubs becoming champions league sides, as it would create a conflict with uefa. Jim has owned nice without this restriction for years and hasn't improved them at all.
Of course those of us who want Qatar want them because of their money and the possibilities it opens.
Radcliffe is by no means a hero, I don't know if he's your hero or something looking at how you defend him. But his take over bid is pretty shitty, letting the Glazers stay, don't clear the debt, no funds for stadium or academy. We're just changing to a new glazer.
Because I don't want to be a state owned vanity project to mask their extreme homophobia, modern day slavery and all the other negative stuff.
Basically I have some moral fibre.
Half the people on this forum begging for Qatar would probably be Chelsea or City fans now if they were born around 2008 or after. That's the thing. They just want what they perceive as 'guaranteed success'.
Liverpool fans wouldn't accept Qataris. They know their club means more than that. Wish our fanbase did but sadly they have been brainwashed and sportswashed.
So you're saying Qatar is intentionally fecking up our next season if they were to actually buy the club?
Next season is irrelevant to an extent.
No one told you that we shouldn't worry about the persecution of the LGBT community in Qatar. You asked about the LGBT fans of United, used the statement of fans from Manchester and they don't match with your claim that they will feel excluded if a qatari purchase the club.
You literally don't know any of this. They previously said the debt wouldn't be in our name. Which is fine. Nobody knows if the Qatari owner or Ratcliffe would be better, worse, or equally as shit as the Glazers. The likelihood is they will be better, as the Glazers have been ridiculously incompetent and negligent essentially. Even 5% effort is an improvement.
People pretending like they know anything of what a random billionaire will do with the club is talking out of their ass. All you can do is sit and wait and stop speculating about who will do what, because we don't know.
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