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Nou_Camp99 said:
That's not how it works. They will own 20% of the shares but won't be able to take any dividends or anything like that. So the only money they can make really is by cashing in their shares which means they will be gone.

How is that penny pinching? People are commenting on this situation and don't even have the basic grasp of the takeover.

If they were staying with voting power and decision making ability it would be a totally different matter. But why is Sir Jim going to give them 2.5bn and allow them to have any say? He isn't is he?
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Quite ironic that you say I have no grasp on it.

Having say has nothing to do with penny pinching. They can very much still penny pinch and United will very much stay on the NYSE

Might be best to research before correcting someone in case it makes you look a bit daft
 
HarryP said:
Because those who have spent the last few months twerking for Qatar are upset and they're lashing out like children. Nothing more, nothing less.
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I'll admit that I would be ok with Qatar, but SJR has got be way better than what we have now, and it's not difficult to work out that he has been on the charm offensive with the Glazers for ages now.

SJR knows the Glazers hold all the cards, and are basically holding United to ransom, so he's got to say all the right things, and be willing to make some concessions if it looks like things aren't going his way. In no way do I think SJR likes the Glazers in any way, I'm sure he hates them for what they have done like the rest of us, he is just willing to play the game to finally rid us of them, he's clever, and if he does get us then it has to be a good thing.
 
MiamiSpartan said:
Because, according to reports, Joel and Avram will get more for their shares from Ineos in 2-3 years time.

Ineos can't offer Joel and Avram a higher price per share than their siblings now, because the sale has to be the same for all of them. But in a separate sale in a couple of years, they can pay them more, which is closer to what Joel and Avram are looking for. If all 6 stay, the club is in financial trouble and they won't be able to take out dividends. So the siblings are willing to cash out now, which they've wanted to do for a while apparently.
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Tbh I don't know how optimistic that makes me for investment into the club, if he's having to pay an even bigger premium to Joel and avi then we're talking maybe another 1.5bn for their shares, within 3 years, the talk was that buying only 51% would allow him to invest the rest but if he's having to pay even more its not great, but I guess it's still better than having them here. I'd have a lot more confidence if Jim had made a similar statement to jassim, where he promised to clear the debt, invest in infrastructure and invest in the side. It's the bare minimum the fans expect and seems such an open goal for good PR that it just seems strange that he didn't mention it
 
cyberman said:
Why would Jim buy them out when he doesn’t need to?
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He might not but they can cash them in whenever they choose to. Not necessarily to Sir Jim either.

The Glazers have started their exit. They won't be around much longer and as minority shareholders it will be like they aren't even here anyway.

Do you know Ed Woodward still owns shares too? He has a small piece of the club.
 
Adnan said:
I've explained to you in a bit of detail what heavy metal football is. And it's not me who described it as 'heavy metal' but rather the likes of Klopp and Rangnick did. And it's a descriptive term that both managers used to describe a method of play, which again I explained to you.

And you were wrong about Klopp driving his Liverpool team to the edge like he did at Dortmund. And you described that as a mistake when the irony of it is that Klopp has implemented positional play at Liverpool and developed his team to now have a controlled rest phase in possession, hence Liverpool have been averaging a higher percentage of possession. Respectfully it's you who seems to have not realised that the play style Klopp implemented at Dortmund and the one he's implemented at Liverpool, are different.

And like I've already explained, Klopp needed reinforcements in midfield along with replacing Sadio Mane. But the midfield wasn't reinforced and he's had to use academy kids in midfield who are talented but it won't help Liverpool beat a Sheikh Mansour team who have added Erling Haaland along with Alvarez, Phillips, Akanji and Ortega as squad fillers for around £85m on top of what they paid for Haaland in both a transfer fee, wages and commission to his reps.

I'm not making him look worse but you're making yourself look worse. You seem to be under the impression that Klopp is still playing the same football he was playing in Germany when it's pretty clear to see that Klopp has implemented positional play with a controlled rest phase. And the reason he did that was due to what happened in Germany and hence having a build up phase via dominating the ball has become the norm at Liverpool and hence Dutch coach Ljinders joined Liverpool.

And it's not technical football, but rather positional play, which first appeared on the world stage under Dutch coach, Rinus Michels, where exerting, zonal and positional control in possession was the norm.
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Yes, my bad. You did explain things before and it should have been clear. In this post alone you remind the lesser reader about your efforts of explaining a number of times, do you walk on water? As the self entitled superior football poster what you explain should not be contested. You have your xG and pressing stats that in the world of the little mermaid are more important then PL or CL trophies.

I made the point that you use a senseless collection of words and you correct me by saying the actual person in question referred to himself as such. That is the f ing definition of cult like behavior you muppet poster.
 
JagUTD said:
I'm sure therea a range of opinions from Nice fans but the article suggests in general they are fairly happy and understand where they come from.

Attacking his record at Nice is just another of the lazy arguments put forward without context. A general rule in football is that clubs tend to do as well as their wage bill suggests and that's how Nice have performed under Ineos.
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Yes, that’s the annoying part.
 
Mmm-Qatarian said:
Ok, if I'm to take the exact logic you've applied as sound I might argue that EU citizens won't be banned from Old Trafford and would therefore have no reason to feel excluded either.

However, I shall not rely on that line of argument because I don't believe it's sound. Once again, regardless of the beliefs of UKIP or any other Brexit supporter, it remains the case that Brexit itself did not prohibit EU citizens from existing in the UK. Neither, to my knowledge, has Jim Ratcliffe ever argued that EU citizens should not be allowed to exist in the UK. Therefore, his support of Brexit is not analogous to Qatar's prohibition on homosexuality.

Your final argument on him doing business in Qatar is by far your most sound, since it demonstrates that Ratcliffe at the very least doesn't feel strongly enough about Qatar's prohibition on homosexuality that it should prevent him from doing business with them. It would still argue, however, that this is several degrees less heinous than outright advocacy for/implementation of laws which prohibit the free expression of members of the LGBT community, and again the concerns expressed by Rainbow Devils suggest that there are plenty of LGBT people who support United who feel the same way as I do.
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I haven't given argument against anyone, I think that both stance are silly. The LGBT community situation won't change if Jassim purchase the club, there will be no difference and there will also be no difference if Ratcliffe purchases the club even though he is working with Qatar in spite of human rights and him being a brexiteer will also change nothing, in spite of the morally dubious things linked to it.

There is nothing to say to anyone, each individual will have an opinion and that's about it.
 
Berbaclass said:
https://www.flightradar24.com/QQE720/3041fd8c
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They wouldn't fly out of Sarasota. That's like an hour from Tampa. There are two international airports, as well as a few executive airports, much closer to Tampa. Also, I can't really see why they would fly to Manchester after meeting the Glazers. Even London would make more sense to meet the Raine Group people.

I know you're grasping at anything, but sorry, this doesn't make sense.
 
MiamiSpartan said:
They wouldn't fly out of Sarasota. That's like an hour from Tampa. There are two international airports, as well as a few executive airports, much closer to Tampa. Also, I can't really see why they would fly to Manchester after meeting the Glazers. Even London would make more sense to meet the Raine Group people.

I know you're grasping at anything, but sorry, this doesn't make sense.
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Not grasping at anything just stating a fact. You make your own interpretation
 
Plant0x84 said:
Ladies and Gents, for the love of all that is holy the man’s name is Ratcliffe not Radcliffe or Radcliff. That’s where all the super original and highly amusing rodent based nicknames come from.
After 18 years of Glaziers, Glazzers and Galzers can we at least try to get this one right from the beginning? Either that or just say INEOS- it’s basically the same thing!! :mad: :rolleyes: :p
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Jesus you take stuff in this thread way to seriously, is ratcliffe (there you go) your dad or something?
 
Plant0x84 said:
I think you are right.
Also Sir Jim famously called the Glazers gentlemen. If that is in anyway true then they will honour any discussions with INEOS rather than dump them for more moolah. There’s a certain etiquette to doing business.
It’s also telling, the reports about Qatar not hearing back from Raine since the bids went in.
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:lol:
 
Let's not forget everyone that the Glazers' #1 problem for us has been just incompetence. They just sucked at running us. It is highly unlikely others will be as bad. But you don't know how bad anyone will be before hand anyway.
 
JPRouve said:
I haven't given argument against anyone, I think that both stance are silly. The LGBT community situation won't change if Jassim purchase the club, there will be no difference and there will also be no difference if Ratcliffe purchases the club even though he is working with Qatar in spite of human rights and him being a brexiteer will also change nothing, in spite of the morally dubious things linked to it.

There is nothing to say to anyone, each individual will have an opinion and that's about it.
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I mean considering that an LGBT supporters group have expressed concerns about the prospect of Jassim purchasing the club, I think it's somewhat simplistic to say "The LGBT community situation won't change if Jassim purchases the club". (Link below)

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/man-utd-takeover-lgbtq-qatar-b2284897.html

Again, the concern here is not that they'll start actively discriminating against members of the LGBT community. It's that the club would become a sportswashing venture for a regime that does. I think it's dismissive to just say to any LGBT supporters expressing concerns surrounding that that "Actually no, you need not worry, you'll still be allowed in the stadium".

Anyway, I think this is the last I've got to offer here. Very much feel that this discussion has reached an impasse.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Quite ironic that you say I have no grasp on it.

Having say has nothing to do with penny pinching. They can very much still penny pinch and United will very much stay on the NYSE

Might be best to research before correcting someone in case it makes you look a bit daft
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If their shares go up on the stock exchange it's only on paper though surely? To make that a reality they have to cash in which means they are gone anyway.

People have got their knickers in a twist over nothing. It will be like they have gone anyway. They won't be heard from.
 
jm99 said:
Tbh I don't know how optimistic that makes me for investment into the club, if he's having to pay an even bigger premium to Joel and avi then we're talking maybe another 1.5bn for their shares, within 3 years, the talk was that buying only 51% would allow him to invest the rest but if he's having to pay even more its not great, but I guess it's still better than having them here. I'd have a lot more confidence if Jim had made a similar statement to jassim, where he promised to clear the debt, invest in infrastructure and invest in the side. It's the bare minimum the fans expect and seems such an open goal for good PR that it just seems strange that he didn't mention it
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In effect, part of your complaint is that Ineos didn't do as much of a PR offensive as Qatar did, even though they were under an NDA and Qatar had already been rebuked by the Glazers.

I think it's fair to be skeptical, and just as much so to be skeptical of Jassim, rather than taking a PR piece at face value.
 
I am just thankful they are learning from NICE, because they are putting in great appointments there recently.

Btw, could INEOS be our sponsor (pump money into the club)? Or is that against the rules?
 
bosnian_red said:
Let's not forget everyone that the Glazers' #1 problem for us has been just incompetence. They just sucked at running us. It is highly unlikely others will be as bad. But you don't know how bad anyone will be before hand anyway.
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I think failure to invest in anything other than personnel ranks up there but certainly it would be hard to be less competent. We have pissed away vast amounts in bafflingly poor decision making when it comes to purchasing players or extending the contracts of current ones.
 
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