Seller does chase when it's recession time.
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Seller does chase when it's recession time.
Bring on the oil money. The only way to stay relevant in this business is to get dirty. The alternative is fading more and more into obscurity like we've done since Fergie retired.
Those that despise the idea, I totally understand that. In an ideal world it would not come to this but we're not living in a fairytale world. There is always FCUoM or Salford out there if you want to jump ship.
Those that despise the idea, I totally understand that. In an ideal world it would not come to this but we're not living in a fairytale world. There is always FCUoM or Salford out there if you want to jump ship.
Exactly.
Think it’s likely to that they would change our name to that. Didn’t Hull change their colors when they got a new buyer? Could see us getting a Bedouin inspired first kit. ETH could definitely sport one on the side line.
What will the new stadium be called? Depending on the who the buyer is, we will probably get something like:
Prime Trafford
iTrafford
Old Qatarford
PornHub Stadium
New Old Trafford (Jimmy Radcliffe)
If ifs a US consortium, I wonder what they would call the arena?
Nah, Cardiff changed their colours to red. Hull’s owner wanted to change their name to Hull Tigers
Liverpool didn't need oil money? I dont get why it seems to be the only way for some of you. It's just the easy way.
I think Qatar will buy us and sell PSG eventually. They've probably been planning this for a while.
hopefully before the do it they'll sell us Mbappe for peanuts and buy Phil Jones for 100m, like I used to do on CM0102
Makes me laugh reading people saying they will walk away from the club....
We've had a partnership with a Saudi Telecom giant for a few years now haven't we? Why didn't you walk away then? Where is the line?
We've had a partnership with a Saudi Telecom giant for a few years now haven't we? Why didn't you walk away then? Where is the line?
I mean you've answered your own question
Neither City nor PSG have won the Champions League, in 20+ attempts between the two clubs since their takeovers.
You don't need "oil money" to compete - you need to be wealthy, just like Bayern, Real Madrid, Liverpool etc and... United.
They have owners who actually invested in the club. Was run by sporting people. There's a difference.
But even now, when you speak to a lot of lfc fans, they're frustrated that their purse strings are so tight.
In a less than ideal world, it’s still an asshole who wants to support a dictatorship to enjoy his football more.
Yeah, this is a big factor.
Oil money might help fix the stadium and facilities
But spending money hasn’t been our problem it’s how it’s been spent that’s screwed us
If after fergie we had a sugar daddy but appointed the same jokers we’d be in the same position.
But spending money hasn’t been our problem it’s how it’s been spent that’s screwed us
If after fergie we had a sugar daddy but appointed the same jokers we’d be in the same position.
Would love to see one of those two buying United just to see the state of this place after.
Very true, especially at squad level. But I do think with unlimited resources, we'd have atleast upgraded facilities.
And Pep took many years of meticulous planning. We'll also need luck, because i can see them getting rid of ETH for a bigger name.
A combination of Saudi, Qatar and UAE states to buy us just so this place can meltdown.
The sad part is most fans will rationalise it away. We'll probably have plenty defend the new owners just like City fans did.
If they do buy us I hope old trafford has regular chants to protest the owners.
If they do buy us I hope old trafford has regular chants to protest the owners.
No doubt about facilities
Liverpool and city made very clever appointments in pep and klopp
It took us years but it’s looking like we have a good one in Ten Hag.
I don’t think money solves our problems as much as people think. Makes it less scary when we dump 100m on one player thats all
Will be sad to see one of the last big clubs with a shred of integrity becoming another sports washing machine. Unfortunately the only two options are to fade into obscurity or sell our soul.
Always loved Dubai, me. 
They struck gold with Klopp. Even then they’ve only won 4 out of 40 trophies in the last decade, the latest 2 after failing to score in 120 minutes in both finals. Majority of the time they fall short of City.
If they themselves don’t get oil money next they’re in deep trouble once Klopp leaves.
Meh. Money killed the purity of football 15-20 years ago. Now it’s about the survival of the fittest. Join the dark side or become irrelevant. There’s no middle ground.
Lines are not really needed these days as telecoms companies are using more and more transmitters.
Thats not exactly true though is it. How many Champions Leagues do state owned clubs have?
I dont have a firm foot in either camp but the hyperbole is just annoying.
The same Klopp of course that Woodward managed to put off joining United as he presented the club as commerce first football second.
Does Fairy still work to rinse off the oil spill? It's good to know if we go knee deep into the oil spill.
On a serious note, Qatar has been my top guess from Day 1. I still don’t think it’s likely, say more than 20 percent, everyone else just seem less likely or at least make less sense.
1. But I would say this, if you have invested an extreme amount into football, building a sports and entertainment reputation, the effect of it will increase exponentially the stronger your position is. 100%. It doesn’t make less sense for such investor to invest more in football, it makes more sense.
No club is really performing at a level were they deserve a really high valuation, but it’s something extremely sustainable with the top football clubs. The brands. And like if we look at the growth of the income streams, they have grown tremendously the last 20 years. No reason to not expect that to keep happening in the future. Look at the NFL teams, really small fan bases, but worth more than the biggest European football teams. The European Football teams will catch up, just a matter of how mature the economies are.
And it’s that strategic value that improves exponentially the more you own, the more say you have, the bigger the fan bases are and so forth. Buy Inter Miami too and some Chinese team. Why not a Serie A team. Throw in a team in North Africa, Mexico and South America as well. A size of that imperium is so big that for a sponsor, doing something with it becomes comparable with like sponsoring the Euros, World Cup or the PL.
2. I am also not 100% sure how viable their position in Paris really is. Like as it is now — it works. But if someone buys PSG — what do they get? The second someone stops pumping in money, their success and position in European football will drop really fast. I can 100% understand why they are focusing on buying PdP. If they get to own “the” stadium in Paris, it’s at least something tangible.
With the energy prices skyrocketing due to Ukraine crisis, they must be raking in money.
By building an imperium, they solidify their PSG investment more than hurting it really.
3. Lastly, besides the strategic impact (which can be really significant), you really should not underestimate the impact of benefits from classic old fashion synergies:
*You wouldn’t need to have 2 or 3 of 5 state of the art Medical Facilities. One is enough.
*You don’t need 5 individual scouting departments.
*You don’t need 5 different Analytics Centers.
*You don’t need 5 different ticket booking systems.
*You don’t need 5 different departments negotiating with sponsors.
*You don’t need 5 different legal teams analyzing new FFP rules or whatever.
*Do you benefit proportionally by building two state of the art stadiums in Europe compared to building only one? Of course. Tremendously.
*PSG could keep that Galacticos aurora with many bigger names on the old side which cruises through League 1 and is a factor in the CL while we would aim to become that durable machine that can compete in the PL as well as Europe.
*Even if we wouldn’t be doing dealings between the clubs on the same level as RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg does, you would of course see some.
*You can basically arrange the biggest summer tours ‘in house’
*Etc etc etc
Like don’t underestimate what all this adds up to at the bottom line. I could easily see it resulting in an additional 50m extra in profits per season for PSG and us from sponsors and other activities from tours etc as well as reduced costs. That is a lot, it’s what we make from what 20 home games.
4. And like even if City and the likes have skated 8s around the FFP rules, they survived by a hair and it will only get more and more strict. By just being economical, strong in terms of sponsorships etc, — you get an advantage on the pitch. The Saudi’s can’t just push money into Newcastle, it’s not allowed.
If you build an imperium like this, gain benefits with sponsors due to its size, reduce over head costs — you can spend more than others. That is what City is doing. How could a Newcastle ever compete with that?
All of a sudden, the next multi billionaire having become the richest in the world due to colonizing Mars or the meta verse or whatever — can’t just buy Preston North End and pump billions into the club for a decade. You couldn’t compete with just one club, you need the whole imperium. You effectively ring fence your investment by building that imperium, while spending less than everyone else for another entity. Find ways to make it harder for others to compete with you.
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I’m not just talking about state owned but sugar daddies too. Chelsea have two in the last decade. The fact that nothing clubs like PSG and City have gone from pure nothingness to having a stranglehold on their respective leagues while also reaching CL finals in the past couple of years should really be enough proof that this isn’t ‘hyperbole’. You don’t go from nothingness to winning everything overnight, it does actually take time.
Eventually no one apart from Real (thanks to their history and pedigree) will be able to compete with this bunch.
it's just a matter of time tbh.
Liverpool soon will be owned by one too, City already are, Newcastle coming up strong...
How long will it last? we need to be ahead of the curve rather than lagging behind hoping somebody might want to help us compete.
Decreasing revenues, stadium crumbling, training facilities that were state of the art 15/20 years ago. Then there's the whole debt thing with increasing interest payment, so pray tell that money won't be an issue.
Bring all the oil money, I couldn't care less. I want the team to lift trophies no matter what. Ps. I suppose the same fans that are walking away are the same that watched the whole joke of WC.
Tony Stark would be pretty boss
I disagree with almost everything you post but this is actually great advice. Some of us already support and engage with lower league clubs.
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