But miffed I am not seeing anywhere covering the protest, even in their liveblog
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In effect that means you’re ‘content’ with the Glazers staying for longer then.
Clearly, you haven't been following the conversation. You've just jumped in and taken issue with something you disagree with and failed to see the point.
I was initially responding to a poster saying Ratcliffe had 'outbid' Jassim. He has simply (allegedly) come up with a slightly higher valuation. He hasn't outbid SJ as he is actually offering less money.
Sir, selective morality has been proven times after time in this thread and the other thread, I would recommend you to ignore this discussion because it will only frustrate you.
I’m responding whilst watching the F1 race, so that may be the case. If so…apologies.
He has from the Glazer’s perspective which is all that matters here.
There are disagreements about what is best for the club, you know. For some it might not be all about money.
We can't confirm or deny this currently
The technicality being that they actually won’t be gone.
Pesky words and their definitions.
Its about semantics -- full ownership versus control of the entity. It's like getting B+ versus getting an A.
Indeed! But you’re trying deride it as a lower percentage which in reality as long as INEOS have control is entirely irrelevant.
True, but without control they will have no say in the running of the club, and will be unlikely to receive a dividend.
Im clearly saying he's having to make a compromise because he can't match Qatar financially. Ratcliffe probably doesn't have £5 billion to hand over to the Glazers. Hence his offer of around half that in reality.
I’m just going by the recent reports, which haven’t received a great deal of rebuttal so far.
But…of course they may not be fully accurate.
Yet they will still continue to profit from the club.
I wonder if this will even register with Ratcliffe or if he's like the Glazers, tone-deaf.
They're going to profit regardless. The only difference is whether they sell their shares now or later.
I still don't get why would Ratcliff invest money on the club while the Glazers maintaining their share without investing anything? It basically means he'd be making them richer through his own money, makes no sense.
Thanks a lot for the tweet, hope I could be there but I am thousands of miles from there.
hope the glazers goes for good
Yes he needs to get that message pronto
Really seems to be a lose-lose situation here.
Glazers stay with Sir Jim - less money and Qatar will just buy someone else (spurs? Liverpool?)
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Qatar full sale that while bringing the best chance of success, results in a complete loss of identity and morals
Glazers stay with Sir Jim - less money and Qatar will just buy someone else (spurs? Liverpool?)
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Qatar full sale that while bringing the best chance of success, results in a complete loss of identity and morals
I know and there seems to be a lot of misinformation around. Best to wait until things settle before talking about specifics with any kind of confidence.
Indeed, he's made an issue out if it so it's fair game to question whether he's a United fan. He's probably a very very casual fan. Probably.
They will almost certainly still receive dividends but even if they didn’t I couldn’t give a shit, we want them gone.
The correct way to put it is that his offer contains a compromise.
That aside however, there’s still the reports that the Qatari bid falls significantly short of the Glazer’s demands.
Ratcliffe is letting them have their cake and eat it. I just want them to feck off and take the cake
So just leave the club to the Glazers then. Great. What a solution.
I think there’s your answer otherwise he wouldn’t be offering them an opportunity to stay.
Him keeping them on makes me sick,we wanted a clean break not someone selling their soul
This is huge.
The only thing he’s offering the current owners that SJ isn’t is the ABILITY FOR THEM TO REMAIN AT THE CLUB.
Why do they want to do that? If for money - SJ is offering more money than they’ll get in 10 years of dividends ffs.
They want to stay for some other reason. Think about that.
It’s dodgy as feck. How many other clubs do stuff like this?
Why does everything they do have to be weird and drawn out?
The most reputable source is saying they have bid £5 billion. Which is more or less around the figure Ratcliffe is reported to have come up with.
So why doesn't it say 100% then
Does it matter if he buys outright or in installments?
If we believe the Castles article you linked to they will most likely be gone in a year or two. We’ve seen the fluctuations in share price based on takeover news and so will they. They will benefit from a boost in share price from INEOS taking over, and be away with their premium priced payout.
I am not for state ownership but Ratcliffe offers no alternative other than to persist with the Glazers.
The club is a business now but with Qatari investment we can return to the forefront once again. If we rest on our morals we will continue to struggle, it's the way of the world and the nature of its reign.
We are called the "Red Devils" after all.
The club is a business now but with Qatari investment we can return to the forefront once again. If we rest on our morals we will continue to struggle, it's the way of the world and the nature of its reign.
We are called the "Red Devils" after all.
It's hard to shake the feeling that this club is going fecking nowhere and will eventually be swallowed up by debt while City and Newcastle win everything going forward. I can't even muster up enthusiasm for today's game after this news.
If I had the money, and Man Utd wasn't for sale, I'd probably buy Palace yeah. Why the feck would a rich person who loves football not want to buy a football team?
Ratcliff has made pursuits of Manchester United even when it wasn't for sale by the way.
Because you don’t need 100% of the club to have control of the club?
Worth noting as well that it’s been reported the bid was for either 51% or 69% depending on if the story’s around J and A staying are true. Either way he has valued the club higher, so would be paying more than Jassim if they choose his bid and sell up completely.
He’s outbidded the Qatari where it matters, to the Glazers. He’s offering them more money for their shares, and if he’s not bothered about taking the club off the NYSE by purchasing the floated 31% then it’s his business. Ultimately, there’s nothing stopping the Qatari from matching or surpassing his price per share, and we are simply faced with a reality where Joel and Avram aren’t willing to sell then the deal Jimbo is offering is the only viable path to wrest control of the club from the Glazers, as opposed to this myopic insistence on full sale at a valuation not matching their expectations by Qatar.
The glazers have total control of the club and don’t own 100%. Sheikh Mansour Has total control at City and doesn’t own 100%. It simply doesn’t matter. INEOS will have control of the club and will run the business day to day.
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