Doesn't sound like they are relinquishing any control whatsoever with Ratcliffe owning
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Doesn't sound like they are relinquishing any control whatsoever with Ratcliffe owning
Yeah well that aren’t any other options
Eh? If they accept his bid then of course they are. The INEOS bid is for control of the club.
Hoping for a bid from the A.I Thanis
I would only see them relinquishing control as finally leaving the club which unfortunately doesn't look to be happening
There are. If you don't like it, don't contribute financially to the club in any way. It's what should've been happening for the last god knows how many years.
That's why I will continue to oppose and call out whoever the owners are. And we all should. The United fanbase voice as advocates for change, whether it be Ineos' environmental record or Qatar's human rights record, could be a powerful thing.
That’s your issue then.
In the real world…if they don’t actually have control, then they don’t have it.
Jim is another Glazer that is going to purchase us with another loan on the huge loan we already got.
All I'm hearing is "dont worry, he's going to put United's on Ineos and make united debt free" and I'm like - how's is that a good thing ? Because eventually we"ll need to pay that debt.
And what's in Jim's management make you so confident that he"ll take us to successful times especially when all his other sporting teams(not only football) aren't.
All I'm hearing is "dont worry, he's going to put United's on Ineos and make united debt free" and I'm like - how's is that a good thing ? Because eventually we"ll need to pay that debt.
And what's in Jim's management make you so confident that he"ll take us to successful times especially when all his other sporting teams(not only football) aren't.
I have made peace with the idea of being state-owned ever since Ratcliffe enlisted help from banks to put even more debt on the club when our aim is to move closer to being debt-free again under a new ownership. People of the ilk of the Glazers are cancers, have always been and will always be.
If you have not followed my previous posts, I will refresh it again. Real Madrid are bankrolled by the Spanish government, Barcelona are bankrolled by the Catalan government, and Bayern Munich are backed by many of the largest German corporations so much you would almost believe they are backed by Germany itself. That notion of being state-owned is not exclusive to City, PSG, Zenit nor Newcastle. Because we did not do what was necessary to compete against Real, Barcelona and Bayern back in the days as an organization, we have fallen behind and now have to play serious catch-up.
Nah too much infighting, one-upmanship and name calling for that to ever happen.
Of course, he is kidding. Have you not noticed he used the word toxic? INEOS=toxic pollutants. Greenwashing.
He hates the Qataris and their sportswashing ways. Thinks Ratcliffe is an environmental murderer. Its been obvious from the start he has been planted here to whitewash the Glazer's reputation.
He's a sly one, ol 'Arry.,
I’d love to know how this lie has permeated our fan base so deeply. It’s such a crock of shite.
So basically you hate everyone. Are you waiting for the 2nd Coming?
It’s not that hard to imagine. Just look at the sizeable number of people who didn’t even know that the Glazers owned 69% of the club and not 100%.
But the reality is the INEOS bid takes all control away from them, they would just be passive shareholders with no say in anything. Only control they would have would be when to sell their shares but no guarantee they would ever be worth more than they are getting offered now so in unlikely event they stay it might not work out well for them.
You mean its real and not some sex-starved juveniles pushing that narrative?
The club just has a lot of sex-starved (juvenile) fans I guess.
You are making a lot of assumptions here. Firstly you think the Glazers are dumb... which they are not.
As desperate as Ratcliffe is to make this deal his by offering the two brothers a 20% stake, you can bet that Av & Joel have asked for the moon from Ratcliffe.
Lots also aren't aware that Sheikh Mansoor now owns roughly 70% of City. He's sold chunks off to China and America.
They seem to be really struggling with only 70% don't they? Hahaha
People have got way too emotional over things they don't quite understand. Some of the stuff of twitter is absolutely embarrassing. Other fanbases must be lapping it up.
Im not particularly enamoured with him either, so im not sure what point you think you’re making.
I absolutely do not want United to become a vehicle for a human rights abusing country to gain soft power. That’s priority number one for me. From a pure footballing aspect, away from politics, the way City fans sing Mansour’s name while breaking hundreds of rules is so rancid. I don’t even want to take the chance of United becoming that. People will counter that United wouldn’t need to, but quite frankly, if we have someone pay for a £2 billion stadium, it’s completely unearned, and I just don’t want that for United, even if other teams get it. I’m comfortable with being second best for now if it means the above doesn’t happen.
I guess the only other option seems to be SJR. I don’t really have massive concerns about the debt like others. You don’t spend £5 billion on a company and let it rot. From a moral point of view, it’s not great, but I do find it easier to accept, on the basis that given the price the Glazers have set, we’re not getting an alternative.
See if Thanis has any Pro Tips on how we can prise away DeJong this summer.Hoping for a bid from the A.I Thanis
If they can sell a partial stake for far more than what their father paid for the whole club 20 years ago then I'd suggest they'd still be doing alright out of it. Just depends what their appetite for a flutter is and what they think of Ratcliffe.
On the flip side we don't want to be sport washers for human rights abusers who only want us to further promote tourism to Doha.
Works both ways.
And somewhere in there you’re assuming that the Glazers can hoodwink a guy who owns a company with annual revenues of £60bn and annual profits of several billion.
Pretty much yeah. The whole debt issue has become something that carries an almost religious significance for many people.
They're also forgetting one other important thing. The presence of INEOS/Ratcliffe in the bidding process pushed the Qatari bid closer to the Glazer’s long stated demand. If the latter had had a free run at it they would’ve been even further away from the valuation.
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Tbh the only thing other fanbases are "lapping up" is us getting owned by SJR with the Glazers still hanging around. They will dread Qatar getting us.
Very true.
The whole thing is a shambles and ultimately the Glazers haven't got what they wanted. The reason being is they haven't ran the club well enough to warrant such a valuation of 6bn.
Luck is very important in all aspects in life. We just have to accept our fate that football god is not with us that we got the bastards Glazers and now Jimmy.
We need to start get used to 4th Place Cup is an achievement. We will look at City, Newcastle and Chelsea getting all the star players. Maybe Qatar will buy a PL club soon (maybe Liverpool) then we will be worse. We will be the Spurs of PL in no time.
We need to start get used to 4th Place Cup is an achievement. We will look at City, Newcastle and Chelsea getting all the star players. Maybe Qatar will buy a PL club soon (maybe Liverpool) then we will be worse. We will be the Spurs of PL in no time.
Eternal mediocrity?
Hyperbole much? We don't need to be owned by a state to be a success. The sooner people realise this, the better. Absolutely nothing against, Qatar, or their people. I just hate the idea of a social institution like, Utd, being used as a pawn for a governments prestige. Ownership shouldn't be used as a matter of "look how much money we have". It's disgusting. We can generate enough money on our own, and be a success without state ownership.I’d prefer ThanosHoping for a bid from the A.I Thanis
You do realize we've probably outspent those clubs since SAF retired? It's more about how we spent it. We even beat PSG to di Maria's signature.
Gotta love just making things up
Eternal mediocrity?
It's not the state ownership that people want or care about though, it's the debt free ambitious ownership without drawbacks that many wish for. No one gives a shit about Qatar, but they sure as hell care about a potential owner wiping debt and investing heavily into infrastructure as well on transfers.
Firstly, anyone who owns a company with annual revenues of £60billion with annual profits of several billion other than Ratcliffe would not touch this deal -- especially if you are a chemical company.
If Ratcliffe is willing to cut a deal with the two G-bros -- knowing full well that as a United fan himself, it would outrage his fellow United supporters --- means he is desperate to close the deal.
The two G-bros will know this ...not to say you need to be the most well-informed owner to understand this. And anyone will tell you, you are not in a good negotiating position if you look desperate.
Jassim: "Listen mate, ratcliffe is old, he's gonna shuffle off into the sunset soon..and he smells of Werthers. I'm youthful, stylish, and as you want 6 billion, will you accept 5.9 billion? Mates rates n that".
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