Club Sale | It’s done!

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Dan_F said:
You may not be, but the people potentially owning your club definitely are, and definitely do commit them. If you’re fine with that because we might win more, then you’ll get called out for it.
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No, I'm not really fine with it. I just try and separate the politics of it. Which sometimes isn't possible of course and at times we are all hypocrites.

I'm attacking Ratcliffe personally for seemingly wanting to get into bed with the Glazers. And quite simply I know more about him than I do Jassim. I can't really point to him and specifically say he's guilty of wrongdoing the same way I can to Ratcliffe.
 
Everywhere you look United fans are mostly against Ratcliffe

He probably thought he would be seen as some sort of saviour from the Glazers :lol:
 
mu4c_20le said:
He doesn't need 100% to take over the club. That's just ego, or to take the club private so the Qataris can do whatever they want without scrutiny. You've been drinking their PR for too long.
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But unless someone takes 100% they are not gonna clear the debt.
 
Look Ratcliffe is a bad person. Jassim is probably a bad person.

This isn't the place to hold the Redcafe equivalent of the Nuremberg trials.

When I speak about a preferred bidder I'm speaking strictly from a footballing perspective.
 
devilish said:
I apologise for my past comment. United are quite important for me I having slept for quite some time and have some health issues at the moment. Yet that is not an excuse for what I said which was OTT.

Anyway I don't want to sabotage the thread any further. I hope that whoever owns the club treats it good.
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Take care of yourself man, its not worth it, plus SJR+Glazers is better than the Glazers alone I would like to believe.
 
Shakesey said:
For me it's simple really. I don't care about chemical pollution or human rights issues abroad. Feck, in ten years we'll all be AI slaves. I don't care who owns us. I DO care about Manchester United.

So, what's best for my club? The answer is clear.
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You want ChatGPT to lodge a cheeky bid?
 
Rhyme Animal said:
No, honestly mate, that’s not correct or fair.

It’s about getting rid of the Glazers and the debt - that’s it.

If Ratcliffe came out and stated that he wants 100% and will clear the debt, fans would have him as first choice. I assure you.

Keeping the Glazers, praising them as people is what has (rightly) turned fans against him.

It has utterly nothing to do with Sportwashing - it’s to do with what is being proposed by Ratcliffe and the Glazers.
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Exactly, I was 100% behind Radcliffe until the details started emerging. Debt not cleared, taking on more debt to buy the club, not buying 100% of the club (so no intention of investing in infrastucture), and now possibly keeping the Glazers. It's just about a worse case scenario.
 
Not clearing the debt and adding more, regardless of where it "officially" lies would be an absolute gut punch. Interest rates just gonna keep rising and make it more and more impossible to ever get rid of this glazer debt shit
 
HarryP said:
I'm not surprised by this news because I thought all along that Avram and Joel Glazer were determined to stay, even if it meant being in a reduced capacity in terms of control.

I do think it is a good way forward for the club for a number of reasons and most of the fears expressed are over egged.

Ratcliffe is the majority shareholder in a business that has an annual revenue of $60 billion. In the grand scheme of things, the financials of an elite football club is pretty small fry relative to INEOS. Yes he has to finance his purchase of the club, but that's because most billionaires have most of their wealth tied up in assets. They don't typically hold billions of £s of cash. Musk had to finance his purchase of Twitter vis several complex vehicles of investments and loans. This isn't something to get hung up on.

Ratcliffe isn't going to spend billions acquiring major control of an elite football club (as a glory trophy asset - he certainly isn't buying it to make money) only to not invest in up to date infrastructure and the football team. Not going to happen. Zero chance. He's going to spend roughly the same on that stuff as Qatar would have done (FFP only allows you to spend so much on players anyway and even the Glazers are coming close to the limit with FFP!).

So we are getting everything we would've had with Qatar but without the toxic baggage that comes with being owned by a nation state with an appalling human rights record!
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Getting everything,are you actually kidding
 
FerociousCorgis said:
Not clearing the debt and adding more, regardless of where it "officially" lies would be an absolute gut punch. Interest rates just gonna keep rising and make it more and more impossible to ever get rid of this glazer debt shit
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That is why I'm cursing all the pro-Ratcliffe people. They don't realize how much this is an albatross that will only keep on growing bigger and bigger to the point of strapping us completely if not addressed immediately.
 
FerociousCorgis said:
Not clearing the debt and adding more, regardless of where it "officially" lies would be an absolute gut punch. Interest rates just gonna keep rising and make it more and more impossible to ever get rid of this glazer debt shit
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Well most people think interest rates are peaking and will get lower quite soon.
 
Fanta Stick said:
Whatever happens lads we will always have each other. Lads? Lads?
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What ever happens, we will always stand behind the club. The owners do not represent us and as we did in the last 15 years maintaining the same opposition to the Glazers, we can still do the same to Jim if he turns out to be like the parasites.
 
RedDevilQuebecois said:
That is why I'm cursing all the pro-Ratcliffe people. They don't realize how much this is an albatross that will only keep on growing bigger and bigger to the point of strapping us completely if not addressed immediately.
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Worth remembering that neither the "pro-Ratcliffe people" nor those opposed to him have any influence on what happens here.

The only people who will decide are the Glazers and, as they have amply demonstrated in the past 15 years, they could not care less what United fans think - their only interest is in whoever is offering the most money (and The Telegraph, The Times and the BBC are all reporting that it's Ratcliffe).
 
glazed said:
Well most people think interest rates are peaking and will get lower quite soon.
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I mean honestly at this point that would be a moot point. It's such a big amount and best/ only way to clear it would be a proper full takeover. Personally I doubt rates go back down, or down by a lot, but who knows. Economics like that is just random sometimes I swear
 
Attila said:
Everywhere you look United fans are mostly against Ratcliffe

He probably thought he would be seen as some sort of saviour from the Glazers :lol:
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If you’re going by Twitter you should the state of it anytime a certain player is trending. It represents little in other words.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
No, honestly mate, that’s not correct or fair.

It’s about getting rid of the Glazers and the debt - that’s it.

If Ratcliffe came out and stated that he wants 100% and will clear the debt, fans would have him as first choice. I assure you.

Keeping the Glazers, praising them as people is what has (rightly) turned fans against him.

It has utterly nothing to do with Sportwashing - it’s to do with what is being proposed by Ratcliffe and the Glazers.
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You have absolutely nailed it with this post about why he's deservedly getting so much heat.

I would feel very differently about his bid if he wanted total control and to clear debt but he has never said that even once. He has now made matters worse by getting into bed with those leeches too.
 
Attila said:
Everywhere you look United fans are mostly against Ratcliffe

He probably thought he would be seen as some sort of saviour from the Glazers :lol:
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To be fair, the Qataris probably thought everyone would be on board just because of money. There's still quite a few with some backbone though.
 
croadyman said:
You have absolutely nailed it with this post about why he's deservedly getting so much heat.

I would feel very differently about his bid if he wanted total control and to clear debt but he has never said that even once. He has now made matters worse by getting into bed with those leeches too.
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All the criticism of the Ratcliffe bid is valid. The only up side is that it stops us becoming like City, which would be the end of the road for many.
 
Ratcliffe has got to deliver big in his first transfer window or his reign will become toxic very quickly. He needs to demonstrate that he's not just a British Glazer.
 
croadyman said:
You have absolutely nailed it with this post about why he's deservedly getting so much heat.

I would feel very differently about his bid if he wanted total control and to clear debt but he has never said that even once. He has now made matters worse by getting into bed with those leeches too.
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Firstly, the Glazers haven’t accepted a bid yet.

Secondly, it’s long been stated that the Glazers want at least £6bn for the club, and it’s long been rumoured that 2 of the siblings don’t want to sell (or at least aren’t keen on selling). If the INEOS bid is successful in relinquishing control of the club from them, then that’s a good thing!!!

If the Qatar bid is unsuccessful then that’s on them.
 
RedDevilQuebecois said:
That is why I'm cursing all the pro-Ratcliffe people. They don't realize how much this is an albatross that will only keep on growing bigger and bigger to the point of strapping us completely if not addressed immediately.
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Cursing people that have absolutely no bearing on what happens seems a bit daft.

But you don't think that being owned by a foreign state could have any potential issues? And in terms of debt, we would be in debt to Qatar. Someone is giving money to this 92 Foundation. Maybe we should be more concerned about the unknown debt and unknown sources of money?

I'm not pro-Ratcliffe, I'm against all of the current options, including the status quo.
 
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