umm what about "promises"?
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No that was in reference to the guy wishing death on Sir Jim. An example I said so don't twist my words.
The today I feel Qatari brigade are a total embarrassment and are having one huge hissy fit now no doubt. They aren't proper reds in my eyes. Willing to pee away over 100 years of tradition and history to become essentially the next sports washing club.
now I might actually believe it was a private bid from Qatar afterall
I don't
It has been a problem but you don't see it. Without the Glazers without the dividend they received and without the debts they put on us we should be much more strong financially and sign higher-calibre players requiring higher wages and transfer fees. Look at Chelsea, as long as you are willing to spend players will join regardless of champions league prospect.
Great
Well we may as well close this thread then as there is no confirmation of anything.
Are you having a hissy fit yet?
If Qatar make the best bid then they win. That's essentially what it comes down to. If they don't then that's it.
You said that the Glazers clearly have intentions to stay, I questioned what was so clear about it and you replied it was a hunch
You were just talking shit
Sorry to question you fecking Mystic Meg
I took the feckin bite didn’t I?
hope all is well pal
All good bud and yes you did!
If I recall, transfering the debt over to Ineos was reported as his plan, before the Glazers enforced the NDA and he went largely quiet.
As I said above, for Ineos to keep the debt on United and to then use Uniteds own revenues to pay down that debt, makes no logical or financial sense. The reason the Glazers used United to pay the debt, or rather to not pay it as became the case on recent years, is because United are their prize asset, the breadwinner in their empire.
With Ineos, we would become a rather small fish in an enormous pond, worth less than 10% of our parent company. It just wouldn't make sense to keep the debt on United as there no benefit to any party. Whether that means it's cleared or transferred remains to be seen.
Well yeah I get that, but if they are really determined to buy United, a chance which is unlikely to come again soon, and they have that financial might, then would it not be worth it from their end to put together an offer that would blow Ineos and the Glazers away?
Let's not forget.....Sir Jim was seen as the knight in shining armour before there was a whiff of oil money on the scene.
Look at what that oil money has done to some fans. It's further proof, not that it was required, that sportswashing works and it works very quickly. Hahahaha.
A Utd fan worth 15bn with a company with revenues of 60bn isn't seen as a good guy. A total nobody from the state of Qatar who is the front man for a state bid of a nation that has just overseen thousands of migrant workers needlessly die to build a world cup they bribed their way to host, is seen as the saviour.
Make it make sense.
Look at what that oil money has done to some fans. It's further proof, not that it was required, that sportswashing works and it works very quickly. Hahahaha.
A Utd fan worth 15bn with a company with revenues of 60bn isn't seen as a good guy. A total nobody from the state of Qatar who is the front man for a state bid of a nation that has just overseen thousands of migrant workers needlessly die to build a world cup they bribed their way to host, is seen as the saviour.
Make it make sense.
If Ineos win I think itll be more of the same for the next decades
That's a totally unbiased summary of the situation.
I don't see how Jim doesn't win this now. His bids higher and Glazer's potentially stay still being able to make a few million. It's literally win win for them
The final nail in the coffin for Man Utd
Opposition fans will be delighted
Opposition fans will be delighted
Proclaimed united fan got in bed with the Glazers enabling them to stay on. What do you want on here?
Qatari bid looks like a non starter now. SJR emerging as the preferred bidder will cause a bit of a meltdown but it’s better than the Glazers remaining in control.
Qatari PR sounds like it was a lot better than any of their bids.
Qatari PR sounds like it was a lot better than any of their bids.
Please, Qatar, make a Remontada..
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This ratcunt takes over we need to riot until he is gone. I bet Jim has already started growing a greasy little ponytail with dark shady sun glasses.
I wouldn't worry about Jassim buying Liverpool. Based on what we've seen of his negotiating skills he'll make a world record bid for Mbappe but it'll turn out that the bid included Mbappe's wages and signing on fee. Then Real Madrid just step in and out bid the ACTUAL offer. Mbappe goes to Real and Jassim buys Danny Ings instead.
All the drama over a news article that even states the glazers would get more money from the Qatar bid and the whole headline is backed up by a solid statement of the valuation being higher from INEOS might make a difference.
You guys are convinced all the glazers want is the most money so why the panic.
Get yourself down to old Trafford and show a full sale is all we want.
That’s also ignoring the fact the Qatar bid is a world record
You guys are convinced all the glazers want is the most money so why the panic.
Get yourself down to old Trafford and show a full sale is all we want.
That’s also ignoring the fact the Qatar bid is a world record
So we're sticking with the Glazers, but with an additional English Glazer and extra debt? What could possibly go wrong?
Oh I forgot people who aren't pro sports washing club aren't allowed an opinion.
Sir Jim was seen as a great option by everyone on here until that oil money stepped forward. Was he or was he not?
To be honest, I started to suspect something was amiss when I started hearing Jassim had included how much he was going to invest in the club as part of the bid. Nobody gives a feck about that as far as the Glazers are concerned. It shouldn’t be part of the bid.
To me it suggested his bid wasn’t that attractive. Now not surprised to hear it wasn’t even up to £5bn. The reason why the £1.75bn was announced as part of Chelsea’s bid was because Abromivich wanted to be sure whoever was buying Chelsea could invest into the club. He cared.
Glazers don’t give feck. I can’t stress how malevolent they are as owners.
I am not keen on being a sport washing entity forQatar but a couple of things worry me about Ratcliffe.
To me it suggested his bid wasn’t that attractive. Now not surprised to hear it wasn’t even up to £5bn. The reason why the £1.75bn was announced as part of Chelsea’s bid was because Abromivich wanted to be sure whoever was buying Chelsea could invest into the club. He cared.
Glazers don’t give feck. I can’t stress how malevolent they are as owners.
I am not keen on being a sport washing entity forQatar but a couple of things worry me about Ratcliffe.
- The man himself. This is a guy that supported Brexit but lives in Monaco. This is a man that promised he would invest heavily in a post brexit Britain but went back on his word. This is a man who has a history of unethical business practices. He simply cannot be trusted. He has proven his words mean feck all.
- The second is the nature of the deal. With Glazers has minority shareholders, Ratcliffe has no incentive to invest heavily in CapEx. Why should he use his capital to grow a business and potentially increase the price he would later have to buyout the Glazers for? Look at Arsenal for reference.
- The third is the debt. I have noticed some people are confused on this aspect of Ratcliffe’s bid. Ratcliffe has promised that the club will not face any additional debt burden. Of course, EPL rules now prevent leveraged buyouts. What Ratcliffe is doing is taking on additional debt in the name of IENOS. What I refuse to believe is that this indirect debt won’t have any influence on Manchester United’s cash flows. I had a look at IENOS capital structure and saw they are already highly leveraged. There is no way in my mind they won’t dip into the clubs cashflow at some point in the future to support the additional debt burden. The last part is they have said nothing about the current debt the club holds. To me, that already means they have no intention of absorbing it anytime soon.
- My fourth concern is the much needed capital injection. Where is that money coming from? Are IENOS going to borrow again?
If Qatar have bid £5.1-£5.2 billion which is $6.5 billion then that’s in the middle of that, this could be a Glazer ploy to get Qatar to pay more in they’re given a period of exclusivity.
Good post. Reflects some of my concerns.
Genuinely no idea what is wrong with people like you. For starters how is it SJR fault? Qatar could easily outbid anyone if they want to. Secondly what is with this vile hate for him, In what way is this guy anything like the Glazers?
I swear some of you get some shite info from some nobody on Twitter and think its gospel because you just want to confirm your own biases. Perhaps Qatar should offer more money just so people like you can be happy.
Glazers preoccupied with NFL draft, sums their existence up
They haven’t though, they’ve bid around £4bn. Unless Raine give Qatar a chance to revise their offer, it’s done it seems.
If you believe Jacobs then there really isn't that much between the two bids, relatively. You would imagine if that is the case Qatar will at least match Ratcliffe
those cnuts want to rip off Qatarian investor, they dont care about potential benifit for M.U.
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So many conflicting reports. My gut feeling is that Qatar will pay up. And the punters on here will wank themselves into oblivion. But if they don't pay up....
Fixed that for you after the newest developments above
So many conflicting reports. My gut feeling is that Qatar will pay up. And the punters on here will wank themselves into oblivion. But if they don't pay up....
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