Club ownership | Senior management team talk

You are more than welcome to leave that job and join up united for pennies, do let us know how it goes for you when a billionaire cuts your wages which basically pennies in terms of the club's costs and blames you for some young millionaires refusing to work hard.

They clearly aren't getting paid pennies though. If you can show me some sort of statistics that indicate they're paid less than others in their roles (in football and other sectors), feel free and I'll concede the point. I would bet a receptionist at Manchester United is getting paid more than most receptionists in Manchester. The notion that they're all living hand to mouth is unfounded, as far as I am aware. As for your other point, even a Marcus Rashford playing shit brings in more money and commercial acclaim than most members of staff at United. Just like star actors are paid more than production staff. Just like a popular Onlyfans model working 5 hours a week typically gets paid more than people working 50 hours a week down mines. Is that fair? No but it's market forces.

Also, it seems already that this new regime is committed to getting rid of high earning players not delivering the goods. Should we stay bloated on the low level staff side and just cut the players not earning their money? Or do both? It doesn't have to be either/or.

All staff get an annual bonus of up to 10% of our annual salary depending on our performance, the old scheme was a bonus if the first team won a trophy, Reguarding the £100 bonus, yes its peanuts but when you are working along side players that are earning £300+ a week you can see why some staff are annoyed.

I can see that but these are footballers regarded (rightly or wrongly) as athletes among the best in the world. They face death threats, abuse, a total lack of anonymity. Most of the players had a rough path to footballing superstardom with many sacrifices, big risk of being cut from the academy and having it all fall apart, their careers potentially ruined by injuries etc. I'm not saying I feel sorry for them; there's a lot of benefits and it's a privilege to play football for a very well remunerated living. But it's also a privilege to work for Manchester United. Even in a very low role. The players bring in the cash, predominantly. They are the ones who the perceived success or failure of the club fall upon.

I'm not trying to diminish the feelings of the staff but many people would give anything to be in their position. It's easy to perceive a loss when something is taken away but it's also easy to forget the fortunate position one is in in the first place.
 
You're impressed by a saving of around £2,500 a year?
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Some people just adore corporate execs and despise the average folk, I guess. Explains why so many are infatuated with Elon etc.

It has nothing to do with savings or money, the only purpose is to show the meaningless pleb who’s the boss here. Money would not even be a consideration here.
 
It would be a great idea, but can you imagine what the headlines would say? Ratcliffe would be eviscerated.
They wouldn't even allow this to happen. Even if this was proposed, they'd introduce some corporate policy which would prevent this.

Like I said, it's not about the money, it's about showing employees how meaningless they are. If they still get their money except from a different source, this will not be achieved.
 
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Some people just adore corporate execs and despise the average folk, I guess. Explains why so many are infatuated with Elon etc.

It has nothing to do with savings or money, the only purpose is to show the meaningless pleb who’s the boss here. Money would not even be a consideration here.

We've had the Glazers who have been very hands off and a complete disaster for decades. The club has been left to crumble from the inside out. The new guy has come in and is trying his best to turn it around. The whole club is a shit show whatever direction you look in. But people want to miss the big picture and all the good stuff thats been done, and instead focus on some click bait about some staff losing a discretionary bonus.

New stadium in pipeline, training ground improvements, investment in new players, top new manager, new backroom team, top CEO pinched from out rivals. But all of that is forgotten about because Betty from accounts wont have a Christmas party this year.
 
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They wouldn't even allow this to happen. Even if this was proposed, they'd introduce some corporate policy which would prevent this.

Like I said, it's not about the money, it's about showing employees how meaningless they are. If they still get their money except from a different source, this will not be achieved.
Overall there are such small amounts of money involved. I have worked in a job where we have all voluntarily given up salary to avoid redundancies.

All it would take for a football club is to sell a player earning 20k a week and that money would easily cover all these other cuts.

Quite apart from the fact that football clubs are allegedly there to serve the community. Fordism is long dead.
 
We've had the Glazers who have been very hands off and a complete disaster for decades. The club has been left to crumble from the inside out. The new guy has come in and is trying his best to turn it around. The whole club is a shit show whatever direction you look in. But people want to miss the big picture and all the good stuff thats been done, and instead focus on some click bait about some staff losing a discretionary bonus.

New stadium in pipeline, training ground improvements, investment in new players, top new manager, new backroom team, top CEO pinched from out rivals. But all of that is forgotten about because Betty from accounts wont have a Christmas party this year.
I’m obviously commenting on a specific thing here, not ‘big picture’. I don’t see why things cannot be discussed and criticized in isolation, especially when they have nothing in common.
 
It's not a surprise that media like to focus on negative things about Man Utd especially now on Ineos ownership. The surprising part is that most of that fans now suddenly follow the medias' narrative and foaming at their mouths.

Let's be honest here, the Glazers are the worse owners and have been destroying us for 15-20 years! They basically ruined us from a European and English giant to a team finish 8th with no style of play at all.

At least, the Ineos Team is trying to do something different to improve the club. After 1-2 decades of mismanagement, major changes are necessary. There will be lots of things we may or may not agree. But you can't deny that Ineos team is putting competent people with right CVs to run the club. It's no more a clueless banker alone running the show nowadays!
 
It's not a surprise that media like to focus on negative things about Man Utd especially now on Ineos ownership. The surprising part is that most of that fans now suddenly follow the medias' narrative and foaming at their mouths.

Let's be honest here, the Glazers are the worse owners and have been destroying us for 15-20 years! They basically ruined us from a European and English giant to a team finish 8th with no style of play at all.

At least, the Ineos Team is trying to do something different to improve the club. After 1-2 decades of mismanagement, major changes are necessary. There will be lots of things we may or may not agree. But you can't deny that Ineos team is putting competent people with right CVs to run the club. It's no more a clueless banker alone running the show nowadays!

Again, things cannot be assessed in isolation. There have been some (not many and I think many really bad mistakes have been made here too) decisions on the football side of things that I have been happy with and which represented improvement.

Making it a worse place to work for a casual employee, without any real benefit to the club, is something that can and should be criticized by fans.
 
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Let’s look at it in isolation then… why do said employees need a £100 bonus when they’re presumably on good money already? I don’t get a £100 bonus or a £40 voucher. Why is reducing said bonus so awful? The club has been failing in many areas. I know that isn’t the fault of Colin from Accounts (that funny dog ) specifically but everyone pays the price of a business’ poor performance.

As for job losses… sad but happens in many sectors. If the organisation is inefficient and bloated, does it not reflect good leadership to make cuts?

As for comments about the club being there to serve the community and it not being a business, fine… the logical extension of that argument is why pay anyone when it’s community service? I’m being obtuse but that argument doesn’t mean much, in my view. It’s just sentiment. That ship has sailed - we’re way past the stage where any debate about United being a community asset not a business deserves even a second of consideration.

And it’s also evident that 1) INEOS will be ruthless with underperforming players and 2) that they plan to invest heavily in a new stadium that should benefit the local community and overall club greatly, potentially creating many new jobs.
 
Let’s look at it in isolation then… why do said employees need a £100 bonus when they’re presumably on good money already? I don’t get a £100 bonus or a £40 voucher. Why is reducing said bonus so awful? The club has been failing in many areas. I know that isn’t the fault of Colin from Accounts (that funny dog ) specifically but everyone pays the price of a business’ poor performance.

As for job losses… sad but happens in many sectors. If the organisation is inefficient and bloated, does it not reflect good leadership to make cuts?

As for comments about the club being there to serve the community and it not being a business, fine… the logical extension of that argument is why pay anyone when it’s community service? I’m being obtuse but that argument doesn’t mean much, in my view. It’s just sentiment. That ship has sailed - we’re way past the stage where any debate about United being a community asset not a business deserves even a second of consideration.

And it’s also evident that 1) INEOS will be ruthless with underperforming players and 2) that they plan to invest heavily in a new stadium that should benefit the local community and overall club greatly, potentially creating many new jobs.
Well, I can inform you now, Utd don't pay good money to staff, I took a quite large pay cut to work for Utd, The lure of working for your boyhood club has that effect, with my bonus its only just worth staying, I was shocked when I found out what some of the academy coaches get, no wonder it has a high turn around of staff.
 
Well, I can inform you now, Utd don't pay good money to staff, I took a quite large pay cut to work for Utd, The lure of working for your boyhood club has that effect, with my bonus its only just worth staying, I was shocked when I found out what some of the academy coaches get, no wonder it has a high turn around of staff.
Its the same with any brand name. Whether it be Elon Musks companies, Apple or Unilever. They trade on the name and people will work at these places for less money for the prestige.

Which is why I find it so bonkers that united had to overpay on wages for people like Maguire and Shaw. Coming from small clubs and quadrupling their wages.
 
Well, I can inform you now, Utd don't pay good money to staff, I took a quite large pay cut to work for Utd, The lure of working for your boyhood club has that effect, with my bonus its only just worth staying, I was shocked when I found out what some of the academy coaches get, no wonder it has a high turn around of staff.

I can't argue with that. Sorry to hear this. The bonuses definitely appear to be a bigger loss if the club isn't paying well in the first place. I take it all back - poor form from INEOS. I certainly feel there's a need to 'make unpopular decisions' and ruthlessly assess all areas of the club. Maybe we're in need of pruning. But yeah, it is disappointing if we're essentially robbing from Peter to pay Paul and makes mistakes like the Ashworth saga and keeping on ETH look even more unacceptable.
 
Which is why I find it so bonkers that united had to overpay on wages for people like Maguire and Shaw. Coming from small clubs and quadrupling their wages.
United doesn't offer regular title challenges, it does not even offer regular CL football. And on top it is based in Manchester. There are a lot of things United has to compensate for by paying more money to players.
 
Let’s look at it in isolation then… why do said employees need a £100 bonus when they’re presumably on good money already? I don’t get a £100 bonus or a £40 voucher. Why is reducing said bonus so awful? The club has been failing in many areas. I know that isn’t the fault of Colin from Accounts (that funny dog ) specifically but everyone pays the price of a business’ poor performance.

As for job losses… sad but happens in many sectors. If the organisation is inefficient and bloated, does it not reflect good leadership to make cuts?

As for comments about the club being there to serve the community and it not being a business, fine… the logical extension of that argument is why pay anyone when it’s community service? I’m being obtuse but that argument doesn’t mean much, in my view. It’s just sentiment. That ship has sailed - we’re way past the stage where any debate about United being a community asset not a business deserves even a second of consideration.

And it’s also evident that 1) INEOS will be ruthless with underperforming players and 2) that they plan to invest heavily in a new stadium that should benefit the local community and overall club greatly, potentially creating many new jobs.

It’s crap for all the employees, I know someone who had to give up a dream job at Utd because of a change to the WFH policy. But this is often what happens when a business is losing money and failing, costs get cut anywhere and everywhere.

If they could I’m sure they love to cut the wages of the players but their hands are tied and it does seem ridiculous to be making such small savings when players who don’t even get picked are earning 300k a week.

Sadly attempting to fix the club on and off the pitch is not a quick fix and is going to be quite painful at times.
 
I can't argue with that. Sorry to hear this. The bonuses definitely appear to be a bigger loss if the club isn't paying well in the first place. I take it all back - poor form from INEOS. I certainly feel there's a need to 'make unpopular decisions' and ruthlessly assess all areas of the club. Maybe we're in need of pruning. But yeah, it is disappointing if we're essentially robbing from Peter to pay Paul and makes mistakes like the Ashworth saga and keeping on ETH look even more unacceptable.
You are silly if you think INEOS would come here and make 0 mistakes on the football side.

It's a process. Not saying they shouldn't be aiming to get 100% of decisions correct but reality is often different.
 
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You are fooling yourself if you think INEOS would come here and make 0 mistakes on the football side.

It's a process. Not saying they shouldn't be aiming to get 100% of decisions correct but reality is often different.

I didn’t say that INEOS wouldn’t make mistakes on the football side. No one would be mistake free and INEOS have shown at Nice and Lausanne that they’re certainly prone to some blunders. I hope they are learning, as they claim they are.
 
If we don't do something in regards with player recruitment this January then Ratcliffe can feck off as far as I'm concerned. Who gives a dusty feck about the points deductions if we can't pick up any anyway. Needs a lot of work this team.
 
We're finished as a top club I fear. In the same way Liverpool were. So we might return in a couple of decades but we're so so far off its hard to comprehend. Two years in a row Bournemouth came to old Trafford and battered us and no men in suits are going to fix it
 
The only logical step left for Rip Off Jim is to start charging staff to work for the club. Charge IT people at the club for their electric usage, the kitchen staff to use oven gloves and tea towels and a corkage fee to the students behind the ramp at the ground for serving teas and lukewarm hot dogs.
 
We're finished as a top club I fear. In the same way Liverpool were. So we might return in a couple of decades but we're so so far off its hard to comprehend. Two years in a row Bournemouth came to old Trafford and battered us and no men in suits are going to fix it
That’s exactly how I feel as well. It’s incredibly upsetting.
 
If we don't do something in regards with player recruitment this January then Ratcliffe can feck off as far as I'm concerned. Who gives a dusty feck about the points deductions if we can't pick up any anyway. Needs a lot of work this team.

Dont think we've got the cash due to ffp unless we can sell a few players
 
Finished club. No amount of Berradas, Wilcoxes and Amorims are fixing this, I'm afraid, despite how many other people are sacked. The rot is endemic and very deep. The damage the parasites have inflicted is unfathomable. That's just how it is. Maybe with completely new owners down the line, then things could change. Or maybe not. But this club is very, very, very far away from anything.
 
They need to bring in goal and goals to this team. We have been terrible at scoring goals for about three or four seasons now. We have wasted so much money on dross attackers.
 
Because to the paying customers optics matter more than results. Backing incompetent managers, no state ownership etc.

I was being sarcastic, highlighting what many people seem to still miss in terms of just how impactful cheating has been for city.
 
I don’t know why he bought the club at his age. He seems mainly concerned about cost cutting when we need huge investment.

Is he trying to make us more efficient so he can sell for a profit down the line? I don’t get it he will be dead

Wish it was Qatar who bought us instead
 
What a drama queen. It is quite the opposite, since they took over things have improved bbut not yet on the pitch. But then look at our squad where Ineos had barely and influence so far

There'll be a few rejected pro-Qatar state bid types feeling triumphant.

Cant say I can disagree with their assessment. Been fairly poor so far. Was not expecting instant results, though.

A work in progress.
 
INEOS now own shares. Let's hope they supercharge their complete takeover of the club and inject some more funds. The focus is on them and not the manager.

If they don't do so, they can leave along with the Glazers.
 
INEOS now own shares. Let's hope they supercharge their complete takeover of the club and inject some more funds. The focus is on them and not the manager.

If they don't do so, they can leave along with the Glazers.
They are supposedly injecting another 100m but it’s for infrastructure not squad building.

Besides financial regulations are in place to stop people spending money willy nilly. I think that SJR already put in the maximum that he could in the summer for transfers. The rest needs to be within our normal budget and whatever we generate from sales and wage releases
 
Raises prices without grace, staff cuts without grace, mucking up the managerial situation back in spring, and now not handling player exits without grace either...

Not been a banner year for our INEOS overlords...