Club ownership | Senior management team talk

Terms of the redundancies will be important though.

Having been a trade union rep for many years in my former life there is a very big difference between sacking people and making them redundant. If the terms are decent and it is handled respectfully redundancy can actually be quite appealing to some employees who might already be considering a change and now have a lump sum payment to ease the transition.
 
Gandalf said:
Terms of the redundancies will be important though.

Having been a trade union rep for many years in my former life there is a very big difference between sacking people and making them redundant. If the terms are decent and it is handled respectfully redundancy can actually be quite appealing to some employees who might already be considering a change and now have a lump sum payment to ease the transition.
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:lol:

They won't be getting anything more than the pittance that is statuary
 
red_de_pologne said:
apparently twice the City's, I mean, any owner would eventually start cutbacks
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Most of City's workforce is farmed from the City Group. Plus we're a much bigger operation - we genuinely have to work to get the record breaking deals our staff have been getting us during the last 12 years of incompetence, while City are literally just laundering money from their owners.
 
Berbaclass said:
Ashworth is a drop in the ocean. I don't understand why people are fixated on that one specific thing.

The club has been mismanaged for two decades. We are seeing the results.

Drastic measures need to be taken.
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Probably because it shows the complete double standards the management operate with. Senior management, paying out millions in wages and compensation is taken for granted as all part of the game, but 300 people in low-paid positions making sure the day to day is taken care of are totally expendible. And if they're lucky, their redundancies will help pay off a portion of the compensation payouts when they sack Amorim or Berrada or whoever else they gave a ludicrous contract with a multi-million salary to before changing their minds about.
 
Berbaclass said:
The workforce was massively bloated.
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As someone who worked there before they cut 200 people in the last round of redundancies, I can assure you it wasn't. Costs have been cut routinely since the Glazers bought the club and most departments were run with minimal permanent staff, propped up with temp contract and zero hour workers for years.

How long did you work there for, out of interest?
 
decorativeed said:
As someone who worked there before they cut 200 people in the last round of redundancies, I can assure you it wasn't. Costs have been cut routinely since the Glazers bought the club and most departments were run with minimal permanent staff, propped up with temp contract and zero hour workers for years.

How long did you work there for, out of interest?
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You want to produce some figures to prove me wrong then?
 
decorativeed said:
Probably because it shows the complete double standards the management operate with. Senior management, paying out millions in wages and compensation is taken for granted as all part of the game, but 300 people in low-paid positions making sure the day to day is taken care of are totally expendible. And if they're lucky, their redundancies will help pay off a portion of the compensation payouts when they sack Amorim or Berrada or whoever else they gave a ludicrous contract with a multi-million salary to before changing their minds about.
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Double standards are part of the game though, every Premier League club lavishes millions on players and wages etc. Every club is wasting millions at times on flops and bad appointments.
 
Glazers are spineless. They made a huge mess and then got someone else to pay them a shitload of money and take all the abuse for their mismanagement

And unfortunately it’s working. Glazers must be laughing their heads off
 
Skills said:
Most of City's workforce is farmed from the City Group. Plus we're a much bigger operation - we genuinely have to work to get the record breaking deals our staff have been getting us during the last 12 years of incompetence, while City are literally just laundering money from their owners.
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So true!
 
Berbaclass said:
You want to produce some figures to prove me wrong then?
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So, you're talking very confidently from a position of no actual knowledge, as expected.

One small case study, then: During the Mourinho era, with CL football, etc. Over 1m visitors to the museum and tour, that department had six permanent members of staff, and 50 zero hours staff. We were told there was a club-wide hiring freeze which led to this situation.

When one of those six permanent staff left, they waited 9 months before Richard Arnold agreed they could replace their (£22k per year) role. After the interviews and a position being offered to the candidate, Arnold rescinded the offer to save the cash and reinstated the hiring freeze.

The idea they'd been throwing cash around for years is absolute nonsense. I also know a few people who left there and took less senior positions elsewhere - taking a downward step in their career - because the money they were being offered was better than United paid.
 
decorativeed said:
So, you're talking very confidently from a position of no actual knowledge, as expected.

One small case study, then: During the Mourinho era, with CL football, etc. Over 1m visitors to the museum and tour, that department had six permanent members of staff, and 50 zero hours staff. We were told there was a club-wide hiring freeze which led to this situation.

When one of those six permanent staff left, they waited 9 months before Richard Arnold agreed they could replace their (£22k per year) role. After the interviews and a position being offered to the candidate, Arnold rescinded the offer to save the cash and reinstated the hiring freeze.

The idea they'd been throwing cash around for years is absolute nonsense. I also know a few people who left there and took less senior positions elsewhere - taking a downward step in their career - because the money they were being offered was better than United paid.
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Tell me how many staff we employ relative to other clubs. Give me facts.
 
Roboc7 said:
Double standards are part of the game though, every Premier League club lavishes millions on players and wages etc. Every club is wasting millions at times on flops and bad appointments.
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Yes, they are. But theyre not daft enough to think that selling the nuts and bolts holding it all together for a few quid is going to let them turn things around. At best it'll pay the wages of one flop for 6 months.
 
decorativeed said:
So, you're talking very confidently from a position of no actual knowledge, as expected.

One small case study, then: During the Mourinho era, with CL football, etc. Over 1m visitors to the museum and tour, that department had six permanent members of staff, and 50 zero hours staff. We were told there was a club-wide hiring freeze which led to this situation.

When one of those six permanent staff left, they waited 9 months before Richard Arnold agreed they could replace their (£22k per year) role. After the interviews and a position being offered to the candidate, Arnold rescinded the offer to save the cash and reinstated the hiring freeze.

The idea they'd been throwing cash around for years is absolute nonsense. I also know a few people who left there and took less senior positions elsewhere - taking a downward step in their career - because the money they were being offered was better than United paid.
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Also.... how much money are we saving from the loans of Rashford and Antony and Malacia over the next few months? And how does this compare to the money to be saved from these redundancies?

Lindelof, Eriksen and others are out of contract in the Summer. How much will we be saving when they leave?

If we were to replace those players with players on lower salaries, or promote youth team players, would that amount to more money saved than will be saved through these redundancies?

This sticks in the throat, to be honest.
 
Berbaclass said:
Thought so.
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Yet you continue to back your statements up with zero facts, figures or insights.

You just enjoy cheering on a billionaire consigning people to joblessness because you have an idea that they are somehow stealing a living and holding the club back from? Being able to recruit decent players? String three passes together? Or do you enjoy the idea of inflicting misfortune on regular people just trying to earn a living by doing an honest job for the football club they support? There are very few people there who aren't supporters, doing their absolute best to get the club back to the top, but yeah, feck them, let's get that £28k salary off the books.
 
decorativeed said:
Yet you continue to back your statements up with zero facts, figures or insights.

You just enjoy cheering on a billionaire consigning people to joblessness because you have an idea that they are somehow stealing a living and holding the club back from? Being able to recruit decent players? String three passes together? Or do you enjoy the idea of inflicting misfortune on regular people just trying to earn a living by doing an honest job for the football club they support? There are very few people there who aren't supporters, doing their absolute best to get the club back to the top, but yeah, feck them, let's get that £28k salary off the books.
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I asked you first and still nothing.
 
Roboc7 said:
Double standards are part of the game though, every Premier League club lavishes millions on players and wages etc. Every club is wasting millions at times on flops and bad appointments.
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How many are making redundancies?
 
Roboc7 said:
No one else has as many employees, why have other clubs not seen such big increases in their number of employees.?
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The biggest club in the country. The biggest stadium, the most visited club by both matchday and regular days visits, I can go on.. But there are no clubs of the size of united.
 
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