Well I’ll have to read it now!
Climate Change | UN Report: Code Red for humanity
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https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-58141129
Oh boy. I'm sure the governments will listen this time, right?
Oh boy. I'm sure the governments will listen this time, right?
Seeing as how oil and gas companies basically control governments, I'm not holding my breath.
Honestly gets me so down seeing stuff like this. And this is one of the most damning.Same. And I'm part of the problem, I could probably totally shift my lifestyle tomorrow but it's far too much of an inconvenience.
Me too, and the worst part about it is that nothing will be done because people just don’t want to change the way they live. Unfortunately, the people that do the least damage to the climate in the poorest countries are going to be affected the most while people in the wealthier countries will not want to change a way of life that does the most damage.
In a funny way the attitude to vaccines is similar, give us a booster so we can live life as normal when poorer countries are screaming out for a first dose. Greed and selfishness are horrible traits.
My gf and I do loads of things now to try and help but it's going to make feck all difference if corporations aren't made to follow certain rules.
Sobering stuff.
So many of the incentives in our economy are wrong. Flights should be punitively expensive. Meat should be far more expensive. Construction of new buildings from concrete, steel and other environmentally disastrous materials should be heavily restricted. People should be incentivised not to own cars. All bullshit luxury consumption should be heavily taxed. The Amazon and other major forests should be under international control.
So many of the incentives in our economy are wrong. Flights should be punitively expensive. Meat should be far more expensive. Construction of new buildings from concrete, steel and other environmentally disastrous materials should be heavily restricted. People should be incentivised not to own cars. All bullshit luxury consumption should be heavily taxed. The Amazon and other major forests should be under international control.
Often while working for slave wages to produce the garments and knick-knacks consumed by those heavy-damage inflicters.
Inconvenience in what way?
Would I still be able to get my ordered delivered the same day or not? We will need to change our life styles too dramatically and this will never be acceptable to most.
Well, I could go get an electric car but I own an apartment so I wouldn't be able to install my own charger for it, so the only way I could charge it would be go somewhere like a public carpark. I could go fully vegan instantly but I just can't, though we have been cutting down a lot on meat and only eating it a few days a week. I could buy 2nd hand clothes instead of new clothes. I could stop buying tech like mobile phones and computers but I don't.
I'm not saying I do nothing. I recycle as best I can, I use reusable cups, straws, bags etc, I eat much less meat than I could, I replaced all electrics I could in the apartment with A+ rating versions, I get public transport or walk wherever it's feasible, but there is much more I could do that I don't. I like to think I do more than most but that's probably just making me feel better for still not doing enough.
Yeah, quite possibly and in that case we'd be relying on a moonshot carbon-capture or geo-engineering technology to bail us out.
I'm not totally pessimistic that broad lifestyle changes are impossible though. If the incentives are right, societies and cultures can make major changes, and sometimes relatively quickly. At the time, some people said abandoning the slave economy would be too drastic a change for people to accept. And US women have gone from having an average of 7 children to less than two. Major changes are sometimes possible.
This is why we're all basically fecked. Nothing is going to change until the oil runs out. And then we'll be past the point of no return...if we aren't already.
Saudi oil giant Aramco sees profits soar by almost 300%
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58141607
Saudi oil giant Aramco sees profits soar by almost 300%
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58141607
We're fecked.
While true today, it’s not really the full picture. That bottom 50% are having far more babies than the top 1%, which is where a lot of the future emissions are going to come from.
I doubt the bottom 50% who'll get priced out of international travel for example could match the emissions of the top 50% who are able to fly privately wherever and whenever they wish. Or the same group who get pressured by the top 50% in the form of media and government to recycle and go vegan, whilst their companies continue to pump out toxic gasses and waste plastics by the tonne.
Ah, the myth of overpopulation and the comforting externalization of the problem away from the wealthy Western states who caused man made Climate change onto the Global South.
Such an utterly bizarre statement when the biggest emitters are all Western nations (or China), still. Climate change isn't a future problem, it's a now problem, and we're the ones causing it.
Maybe if Western nations actually tried to do more to industrialise those least developed countries then we wouldn't have these issues? It's already working with Bangladesh.
I'm not attempting to shift blame. I have already said that Western lifestyles need to dramatically change with immediate effect. But it's also no good ignoring that population growth in the developing world combined with their presumed coming industrialisation is going to be another big problem.
We should be doing all we can to support healthcare and education - and eradicate poverty - in the developing world, which should in turn lower the population growth rate. What we need to avoid is them adopting current western industrial practices and consumer culture. We really can't afford those additional emissions.
The only finger pointing should be at governments and conservative ideology. We've had DECADES to do anything...something. But time and time again people cannot or will not comprehend that governments are important or that we can impact nature.
And very definitely human ones!
If there is an omnipotent God/Deity watching all this from ....somewhere, (but not earth). He/She, is probably mumbling to themselves and saying " I told them not to steal that apple... I warned them what would happen... do they listen... serves them right... time for a reboot"!
fecked....with the Capital F
Yeah I was actually thinking about that while reading the thread and then saw your post. That too 1% of the wealthiest doing the most damage to the climate, will be the ones using that wealth to shelter them from the effects of climate change for as long as possible, so the poorest, as with most things in life, will be the ones feeling the effects the most. It will eventually impact everyone, of course. Because there’ll be no planet.
Today's report will get people talking. The government and big businesses will say that it's time to act. Yet nothing will actually happen...
But while the planet burns and the poor starve the wealthy fly to their luxury air conditioned apartments all over the world, some even taking pleasure trips to space . When the poor nations are on their knees no doubt the wealthy will take advantage of their natural resources too.
I don`t think anything will be done as westerners are far too selfish to give up their luxuries. We are told to save energy and not to waste but we live in a world of wasteful non essential toys, hot tubs, jet skis, air travel, super cars, etc as well as modern life by design unavoidably damaging to the environment.
Yup it'll make the news for a couple days and then the vicious cycle will continue. The same with politics worldwide. We have all become too complacent and numb to everything. All signs point to bigger disasters down the line with the poor and vulnerable suffering the most.
Yep. I am not personally too worried about the direct effects of global warming on Norway, due to geography and wealth. But I am depressingly convinced that the rising tide of resource war and climate refugees from poorer countries is going to shift the political climate in Europe, including Norway, hard to the right. Fascism is not off the table.
Code Red? Sounds like Communism to me! That must be why 'sustainability' equals less individual freedom!
Governments worldwide all need to take action but it`s not going to happen. We will just keep getting told that we`ll all be driving electric cars by 2050 that will sort it.
Yeah, sadly you’re absolutely correct. We’re ruled by materialistic things & most of us are inherently selfish and ignorant as well.
This makes me really question the idea of ever having children. It doesn’t seem fair to bring a child into a world which is becoming more and more inhospitable.
Lets say that people in the developing world got a lot richer. What do you think they are going to spend their money on?
They need that money to pay for their air conditioning bill which is going to rise something like 4x over the next thirty years.