I'd say so, yeah. The good thing about the World Cup is that it takes place over just a month or so. That means you don't have to fly teams back and forth every week, like with the CL.
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I'd say so, yeah. The good thing about the World Cup is that it takes place over just a month or so. That means you don't have to fly teams back and forth every week, like with the CL.
So we do have to cancel the CL?
Only down if Spurs don’t get top 4.
Negative, ghost rider. Think of all the international travel, plus flights when it’s in a large country. Then you have all the new construction typically required, and cement is one of the largest contributors to global warming.I'd say so, yeah. The good thing about the World Cup is that it takes place over just a month or so. That means you don't have to fly teams back and forth every week, like with the CL.
The WC is off in this scenario.
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just cancel soccer altogether. its shit anyway
If those hippies think they’re taking away my small chance at England lifting a word cup in my lifetime, they have another thing coming.
fight them on the beaches, streets etc etc..
I have read with interest Lewis Hamilton current feelings about what humanity is doing to our planet.
Now. I can imagine people saying that it is hypocrisy for someone like Hamilton and his sport to suddenly realise what is happening.
But to me, having someone as high profile as Lewis Hamilton talking openly about the most important subject and advocating a vegan diet is on balance a positive thing.
Now. I can imagine people saying that it is hypocrisy for someone like Hamilton and his sport to suddenly realise what is happening.
But to me, having someone as high profile as Lewis Hamilton talking openly about the most important subject and advocating a vegan diet is on balance a positive thing.
Would be interesting to see the carbon footprint of F1, they shift tons of gear by plane around the world and also look at the world cup, league club football and CL football. Olympics, staging world cups and Olympics in countries that have to build everything from scratch.
What we could do instead is have a food growing tournament. Manchester Growers United.
What we could do instead is have a food growing tournament. Manchester Growers United.
Also that’s a disingenuous headline. The protestor tried kicking one of them in the head, and then when they were off the train a protective ring was formed so they didn’t get hurt.
We can't see what happens before the start of the video, but as you say, you can clearly see the protestor kicking out.
It's moronic anyway, choosing to disrupt public transport, and one that has a comparatively low level of CO2 emissions. Making an enemy of the general public is not the way to go about it.
There's a desperate lack of analysis of class issues with XR. It increasingly seems like everything they do targets the working class, rather than the political and economical elite that actually have the power to do anything substantial about climate change.
Taking over small markets and blocking commuter trains is fruitless, and displays a real lack of understanding of the people that the movement needs to rely on for support.
I don't want to oppose them as the fundamental goal of forcing action on the climate crisis is one we should all support, but I can't get behind a lot of their actions. Ultimately, it's not just an environmental issue, and I've yet to see them acknowledge that the current capitalist structures prevalent around the world need to drastically change in order for the environmental goal to be met.
Taking over small markets and blocking commuter trains is fruitless, and displays a real lack of understanding of the people that the movement needs to rely on for support.
I don't want to oppose them as the fundamental goal of forcing action on the climate crisis is one we should all support, but I can't get behind a lot of their actions. Ultimately, it's not just an environmental issue, and I've yet to see them acknowledge that the current capitalist structures prevalent around the world need to drastically change in order for the environmental goal to be met.
These people have never been near Canning Town before have they?
You speak as if they're attacking the working class to force them to do something, they're not they're aiming to cause awareness. It's far more hard hitting to target public areas then it is to do what they used to do and target corporate offices. Awareness is the goal and they're succeeding in part. I say in part because the disruption is the news but i don't feel like it's bringing any further facts to the forefront.
The very point of a protest is to get people's attention, and to do that you have to make life a little bit more uncomfortable for them, or there's no effect.
Because whether intentional or otherwise, it is an attack on the working class.
Awareness may be the aim, but what good is awareness when it's actively driving people away from the cause.
Everything is too one dimensional, and there's no depth to what they're calling for. It's quickly descending into disruption for disruption's sake. There is nothing gained from it.
There's some justification for blocking roads, as they did in Cardiff earlier in the year. It made some people look at their commute and question whether they needed to drive, so people took to walking, cycling, or taking public transport. However, when it was all over, it seemed to many that their communication to those with any power extended no further than, "do something about the climate."
There was zero acknowledgement that the current public transport and cycling infrastructures are barely suitable for the current load, nevermind the dramatically increased demand that would come about through people deciding to leave their cars at home. At the end of it all, I'd been late for work almost everyday because the already cramped trains were too full for me to get on so I either had to wait for a later one, or turn around and get in the car, which is what I had to do on two days because even the next train was too full.
More recently we've seen them shut down a small market, and for what? No one with any power was affected or cared, so all it served to do was anger those who rely on the market for their livelihoods.
Today we've had them stopping commuter trains. It's pointless disruption that threatens much needed support for the cause.
You can't look at this from a purely environmental perspective because the causes lie with those in political, economical and industrial positions of power, and unfortunately, so does the power to divert.
haha, yep, they were asking for it. why the feck did they choose to protest there really, OK it's close to Canary Wharf but was that the only pretext?
as others have said, tube commuters already have had it with TFL strikes, disrupting the commute is never going to fly really. i support the movement, but fecking with commuters isn't the way to go about it.
You make it sound like all they do is disrupt the day to day life of normal people. I'd wager a lot of them have tried to appeal to e.g. politicians as well (and probably still do). The point is nothing much is getting done about the single most pressing issue in human history. What they're doing is inconveniencing people with the purpose of said people voting in the right politicians next time they get a chance (you're free to disagree with that way of doing it, I'd argue they're at least trying something).
Someone being late on their morning commute is not quite as bad as hundreds of millions of people and animals being threatened on their very existence, in my opinion.
Disrupting one of the greenest forms of public transport is entirely nonsensical. Losing the support of the general public will not aid in their pursuits. It's creating resentment. As with most things they do, it's ill-conceived, directionless, and is doing more harm than good. They've got a really solid message, but instead of delivering it the right way, they seem intent on just pissing people off. But hey, I suppose a man-sized broccoli with a banana for a phone could say it better than I...
Being late on my morning commute is not the issue. As I've stated now, twice, the disruption is not the issue either. Disruption with no point is the issue.
Block roads, but do so with clear an obvious calls for the alternatives to cars to be improved. This isn't happening, and now we find ourselves with them actually disrupting the alternatives to cars.
They need support, but they aren't going to get that if their actions are seen to be disproportionately impacting the working classes.
They don't need the support of the general public though, why would they? Resentment towards them is not turning into resentment against doing something about climate change.
Of course they need the support. Their numbers won't maintain themselves indefinitely, and they haven't infinite resources.
If you want to stage near constant protest, which appears to be their aim, you need an extremely large number of people behind the cause. They're not going to get that if they keep angering large swathes of the general populace.
So then what is their aim? To 'raise awareness' of something people are well aware of? Having people interviewed on TV dressed as broccoli and being incapable of supporting thier point of view with even a shred of evidence does not help the cause, targeting greener options of public transfer doesn't help the cause.
The public are incredibly fickle. Give them someone to hate, and they'll invariably find ways to hate what they stand for. So if the public doesn't care, why should the government?
If anyone could make me want to not do anything about climate change out of spite, it would be extinction rebellion.
Shouldn't be too surprising, this is whats happens when you only have green politics and not a class base climate view.
The best thing XR have done is help push Labour to adopt a Green New Deal policy. Everything else has been utter shite and does more harm than good(e.g pissing people off before going to work.)
The best thing XR have done is help push Labour to adopt a Green New Deal policy. Everything else has been utter shite and does more harm than good(e.g pissing people off before going to work.)
Even their group name is shit.
Twitter never works or plays for me? Anyone know why?
It was never a good idea to try and disrupt commuters on the tube. They're angry cnuts at the best of times and that's when things are running on time.
You stop someone getting to work, and you're in deep shit.
You stop someone getting to work, and you're in deep shit.
I was thinking the same time. Especially because it is electric powered.
Of course I realise that not all electrical power is derived from renewables but it is far better than diesel engines.
I really don't believe your second point even those disrupted interviewed have said they sympathise with the cause. No one is deciding to hate on climate change because they've arrived 10 minutes late to work, they might hopefully recognise the government should be doing more so people didn't have to protest. Since when has civil disobedience ever not disrupted ordinary people?
The public may generally be aware but that doesn't mean it doesn't get ignored most of the time. It's really only campaign groups and Attenborough that keep climate change in the media and creating these types of disturbances means they'll be more questions about it come the election.
If the media did their job and kept up the pressure with constant reporting on it then you wouldn't need groups like XR.
You give the public too much credit. Hell, you don’t need to go any further than this forum to see people dismiss valid points made by divisive figures just because of who said it. We’ve even had people tell the media they will literally say they’ll buy a gas guzzling car just to spite them.
Still, it’s more nuanced than that. People aren’t going to hate on climate change, but it’s certainly not going to motivate them to do more then they are currently doing. Pissing people off for the sake of it won’t help. I quite agree campaign groups have a place, and I say that as a member of some, but that doesn’t mean we should applaud everything they do. Deciding to disrupt a greener alternative mode of transport isn’t just ill-conceived, it’s downright stupid.
Do you have any children ?
So... you are protesting in front of hundreds of commuters who not only are stressed about work, they are stressed about the traffic, overloaded trains / buses and the only thing they want is to loose as less time as possible, you are clearing asking for troubles.
There are daily fights between people just because someone infiltrated a queue while waiting for the train/bus, bare in mind doing something like this
I'm not sure what you mean by that. Is the massive, unprecedented reduction in poverty, from 88% to 0.7%, in China in the last 30 years, which is the flipside to their enormous growth in CO2 emissions, a class issue?
I mean if you want to protest or highlight climate change, stopping everyday people going to work is clearly the wrong way to do it. Public transport isn't the problem here and it something that will help fight the battle against climate change(But if people must protest then take examples from the tweet about occupy or occupy a airport). If XR had any class politics they would already know this but at the moment they appear to be hippies warning of the incoming apocalypse which is a worthy cause morally but doesn't actually change anything.
Of course. Why wouldn't it be ?
Seeing those pair of cnuts pulled down from the train is so satisfying.
That is what I thought
D'oh