Has Pep ever been won over by player he initially doesn't want?
Hart staying looks like he'd just be fighting a losing battle,
Hart staying looks like he'd just be fighting a losing battle,
City to sign Ter Stegen ahead of Liverpool?
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Exactly, as is the case with most managers. Once City sign Stegen, Hart is doomed. Once managers have preconceived ideas about a player not being suitable, it's almost impossible for those players to change their mind.
Robben?
Like Chicharito.
The degree to which Hart would to improve his ability on the ball to fit into Pep's team is just too great I think.
I think that Pep might underestimate Joe Hart's status at the club though. Ter Stegan won't be cut any slack by the City fans if he starts badly.
I think that Pep might underestimate Joe Hart's status at the club though. Ter Stegan won't be cut any slack by the City fans if he starts badly.
Don't understand those thinking Ter Stegen isn't an upgrade on Hart.
Easy decision for any manager, didn't Platt say Mancini wanted Begovic as didn't rate Hart at all?
Easy decision for any manager, didn't Platt say Mancini wanted Begovic as didn't rate Hart at all?
Stegan hasn't shown much at Barca, granted he hasn't had that many opportunities bar the odd CL outing, but Bravo, (whenever I've watched them...) has been the more impressive of the two between the sticks for them.
Hart isn't a bum, Stegans better with his feet but other than that I don't quite see whats all so special about him.
"In the long run, these 25 games per season are not enough for me. The decision is made by the coach. I hope that the quality I've shown recently is rewarded."
City must've given him assurances then. Out goes Hart more or less, but to where? Liverpool.....
City must've given him assurances then. Out goes Hart more or less, but to where? Liverpool.....
Eto'o stayed even though he was on the selling list in the pre-season.
Surprised they're letting him go that easily, he's what 9 years younger than Bravo? And he's clearly got potential.
Should loan him out for a while like Chelsea did with Courtois.
Should loan him out for a while like Chelsea did with Courtois.
If an integral part of how you want to play is having a keeper with good feet who can distribute the ball excellently then ter stengen is about as good as it gets.
But If you ask most people who is currently the better keeper i think they wuld say hart - especially in a league well known for windy conditions, testing crosses and refs being a little more lenient with players making the keepers life difficult.
In the long run though I can see Ter Stengen adjusting to the small differences in UK football over the next season or so far more than I can see Harte suddenly improving his passing to fit into peps style to date
I'd be surprised if ter Stegen waits patiently at Barcelona and expect a move to a club where he's the number one GK.
If he wants out, Barca wont ask for the 80m in his clause, he will go for much less. He is young, they wont force him to stay there and sit on the bench in the league games, while he has a chance to play for Pep and getting a lot of money.
Eto'o comes to mind. But it's rare IMO.
I think questions regarding Ter Stegen's ability to deal with crosses and difficult conditions will be valid. De Gea struggled initially, and he is much better than Ter Stegen.
Honestly I think City could just do with upgrading their defense to have an excellent ball playing defender there, keeping Hart.
Honestly I think City could just do with upgrading their defense to have an excellent ball playing defender there, keeping Hart.
He signed a contract at end of 2014 that makes him one of the highest paid goalkeepers. Wherever he goes he most likely would be on a 'worse' deal so not surprising he wants to stay.
stupid from barca not using him for all games. instead of that they used an old man who isnt reliable for the future.
ter stegen is young, and got the best skills you need for modern posession football.
now he is thinking about moving to city or somewhere else... not a suprise if you remember how hard it was for hm to leave gladbach.
ter stegen is young, and got the best skills you need for modern posession football.
now he is thinking about moving to city or somewhere else... not a suprise if you remember how hard it was for hm to leave gladbach.
I agree that ter Stegen will only join as first choice but all I was saying was that's not an issue as there's no chance Guardiola would keep Hart.
Isn't Hart pretty awful at dealing with crosses anyway? He seems to be completely incapable of catching the ball and constantly punches it back into play, giving away second chances for the opponent. I was never impressed with how Hart reads the game in the box and deals with crosses or shots at him, even in good conditions. He's comfortable on the line and on his day a spectacular shotstopper. But whenever he has to leave the goal, he seems nervous and lacks real control of the situation.
Joe Hart's main strength is his shot stopping. Not so convincing in the air and prefers to punch, sometimes unnecessarily.
It's great, ter Stegen will end up staying and city will have a proper pissed off Hart and a grumpy Pep 
I'm not sure how important a ball-playing keeper is to Pep's game. If it's a vital component then Hart's days are unfortunately numbered and it will not be a popular move at all. Pep's prestige will probably protect him from the criticism most other managers would receive but he'll have to tread carefully.
I don't think Ter Stegen is a better GK than Hart overall, but I can see why Pep wants him, his style needs a GK very comfortable with the ball at his feet.
Pep is always grumpy but it is OK because he is a noble, tender and emotional man who feels all the suffering in the world weighing heavy on his heart.
I can't say I've noticed him making much errors nowadays. I'd rate him as competent in that department nowadays (I may be wrong, only have seen a few city games this season)
Yeah competent is fair. Aerial balls are by no means his strong point but he is not a liability either.
On paper I'd agree, but Bravo has been brilliant for them, and incredibly consistent.
I think Hart is a very good keeper and they would be stupid to try and replace him. Hart has hardly made mistakes at least from what ive seen. He also is pretty quick on his feet (his speed is amazing - anyone else remember him running from our penalty box to save a rooney shot in the 2012 community shield?). He also seems to be a nice guy (He got between ferdy and a city fan and stuff for instance) and seem to be well liked by fans and players alike.
Reading this thread, you would think he is mignolet level.
Reading this thread, you would think he is mignolet level.
He can't pass if the life depends on it, and an integral thing in possession football is that the keeper should be good with the ball.
Guardiola won't keep him in any case. And it won't be a harm for City. He's a good keeper, but nothing special. While Ter Stegen is a slightly worse keeper, he is far superior with the ball which makes him a big upgrade in Pep's system.
Tbf unless City absolutely guarantee him he will be number 1, thus resulting in Hart probably leaving... I think MTS will end up at Liverpool
De Gea was a skinny little weed initially though, he was getting bullied even by strikers at the start. Stegen is not weak.
Aye, and the fact he looks to be someone who always looks motivated and up for the fight, so to speak, which is something many City players seem to lack currently.
You can understand why guardiola would prefer someone decent with their feet, in his particular system but ditching one of the few dedicated english players at City wouldn't be the first move I made with 2-3 other areas need addressing.
Yes but other than passing, I don't think hart is inferior in any other facets other than maybe age and even there hart easily has a good 6 years at the least left. Replacing such an influential figure in the city team with someone else is like if we tried replacing Smalling because his passing isn't good. Sure it's true but it's completely unnecessary and pointless when we and them have many areas to strengthen.
Exactly. None of their players are pep kind of players especially their defenders and midfielders so replacing the keeper who is the only player who consistently delivers for them seems crazy to me too.
If Pep would have become our manager, I think that he might have replace Smalling. Essentially, if a player isn't really great and is very bad at something which is very important, then he might get replaced. Especially if the manager is serious about winning things.
In possession having a keeper who can't kick a ball is like playing 10v11.
I can see that being unacceptable for Pep.
I can see that being unacceptable for Pep.