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"City have more fans in Manchester than United"
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Hmm not sure tbh it is very split in my opinion. There are certain areas where there are noticeably more blues than reds, and vice versa. Stockport, Gorton have always felt like blue areas whereas the likes of Salford, Stretford, OT, Chorlton (where I currently live) seem majority red.
The likes of Burnage, Fallowfield, Didsbury, Withington, etc are all very mixed and I was raised in these places.
I always thought we would have more reds in north Manchester but I've come across so many blues from the likes of middleton, blackley etc and the more people I meet from different parts of manchester tells me it's hard to call.
In my honest opinion and from living here from birth, it is split quite evenly, maybe more reds but not a landside.
The likes of Burnage, Fallowfield, Didsbury, Withington, etc are all very mixed and I was raised in these places.
I always thought we would have more reds in north Manchester but I've come across so many blues from the likes of middleton, blackley etc and the more people I meet from different parts of manchester tells me it's hard to call.
In my honest opinion and from living here from birth, it is split quite evenly, maybe more reds but not a landside.
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Just googled…
According to yougov 23% of Utd supporters live in the northwest ….77% Utd supporters live elsewhere
Man Utd's global fanbase has been estimated at more than 500m people though so obviously only a small percentage will come from Manchester
More fans in Manchester than Leeds United perhaps. i can see that being close, but true 
Can't say I noticed any, but I haven't been out and about much lately!
There's no short supply of United fans there either! I went to school around there and there were a lot more United fans than City in my school. There was also one Newcastle and one Liverpool fan. They were both from Manchester, too!
That’s true
When I lived in Rochdale there were loads of City fans there and as you say, places like Middleton too.
It might be true but does it matter? Is it important in any way?
It does actually, it means about 115 million in the NW support United.
I don't know the answer but in the old days, a derby game at Maine Road would see the support evenly split. There would be a red half of the Kippax, and a blue half. At school, United fans were in the majority. At home games, locals would predominate but we had fans come from all over the UK, Ireland, and Scandinavia. Now it's all changed and as I no longer live in Manchester I have no idea how support is split but those reds at the Etihad on Sunday seemed far fewer in number than in the old days.
I grew up in Oldham and I think there were about 2 or 3 city fans in my year in primary school, with a good 40 or 50 united.
Secondary school was in Ashton and definitely had a higher proportion of city fans. I'd say there was 15-20 out of a school year of 100. Maybe 30-40 United fans with the rest not following football.
Secondary school was in Ashton and definitely had a higher proportion of city fans. I'd say there was 15-20 out of a school year of 100. Maybe 30-40 United fans with the rest not following football.
How do you explain emptihad then? Does that mean Old Trafford is mostly filled by foreiners?????
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It’s just incredibly dumb logic / maths and parroted by the media who (correctly) know most people are too stupid to question it.
The logic goes that because United have many fans from outside of Manchester, and the majority of City fans are from Manchester - then most football fans in Manchester must be City fans.
However, that could mean (hypothetically) City have 1m fans worldwide 75% (ie, 750,000) of which live in Manchester whereas United have 100m fans only 1% of which (1 million) live in Manchester.
Going off my own first hand experience of living here for 20 years I‘ve met about 5 City fans but know easily over 100 reds.
Where it does play out in a way that maybe makes City seem more like the true Manc club is that their ground will be 90% Mancs vs a much lower percentage in Old Trafford.
The logic goes that because United have many fans from outside of Manchester, and the majority of City fans are from Manchester - then most football fans in Manchester must be City fans.
However, that could mean (hypothetically) City have 1m fans worldwide 75% (ie, 750,000) of which live in Manchester whereas United have 100m fans only 1% of which (1 million) live in Manchester.
Going off my own first hand experience of living here for 20 years I‘ve met about 5 City fans but know easily over 100 reds.
Where it does play out in a way that maybe makes City seem more like the true Manc club is that their ground will be 90% Mancs vs a much lower percentage in Old Trafford.
Even if we're taking it at face value, wouldn't that just be statistically logical? There are simply more people in London than Manchester. Even if 100% of the people in Manchester supports United, just having 10% of Londoners supporting United would've exceeded that
Is there any limit of season ticket holders at United? Or is it just anyone who wants a season ticket by the beginning of the season can get one? I ask because Old Trafford is mostly sold out and Etihad isn’t, so is there a demand for more?
I think you’d have to look at what numbers are hidden to paint the overall picture. Season ticket holders include the most loyal fans and when times are good, the most opportunistic fans.
So if it’s 27.000 for a team doing bad, it’s probably more fans wanting to buy a season ticket if it’s all joy and happyness and if we actually performed well. If it’s 26.000 for City, this is at the peak including opportunistic fans.
Just curious, are there any areas which are dominated by United fans vs other areas you wouldn't want to walk in wearing a red top? Or it's more distributed across families with no specific areas as such?
City's match going crowd is nowhere near 90% Mancs, the majority of their match going fans these days arnt from Manchester
A footnote about support for Manchester Clubs (in the old days!!)
On the Sat 25th of April 1959 (in pouring rain) City drew 0-0 with Aston Villa and on Wed 29th April 1959 they beat Leicester City 3-1. City thus avoiding relegation that season on goal difference/goal average
Both games were at Maine Road and at both matches there were more Man Utd fans present than City fans. I attended both games, in my United scarf, along with my best mate who was a blue. (City had some gates as low as 8,000 that season).
This all came about because Bert Trautmann City's legendary keeper (best goalkeeper around at that time) had appealed via MEN(Pink) to Utd fans to come and support City's fight against relegation. Such was his standing among any Mancunian football fan of either colour, that he could make such as suggestion.
(*All three clubs were locked in a relegation struggle, City and Leicester avoided the drop, Aston villa went down with Portsmouth.)
On the Sat 25th of April 1959 (in pouring rain) City drew 0-0 with Aston Villa and on Wed 29th April 1959 they beat Leicester City 3-1. City thus avoiding relegation that season on goal difference/goal average
Both games were at Maine Road and at both matches there were more Man Utd fans present than City fans. I attended both games, in my United scarf, along with my best mate who was a blue. (City had some gates as low as 8,000 that season).
This all came about because Bert Trautmann City's legendary keeper (best goalkeeper around at that time) had appealed via MEN(Pink) to Utd fans to come and support City's fight against relegation. Such was his standing among any Mancunian football fan of either colour, that he could make such as suggestion.
(*All three clubs were locked in a relegation struggle, City and Leicester avoided the drop, Aston villa went down with Portsmouth.)
No straight answer.
Salford is mainly Utd. Some areas of East Manchester down to Stockport that City would claim are pretty blue.
In reality Utd dominated support pretty much everywhere for years - with the likelihood being City are making a few percentage points up over the last decade.
My family is from Tameside which would be seen as traditionally Blue, but the schools were almost always more Utd.
Family itself is split down the middle. Mums side Blue, Dad's side red. Hence I am
.I know times change and the number of fans will also change over time, but I grew up in Higher Blackley and then out in leafy east Cheshire.
Almost every kid I knew was a Utd fan back then and when we moved out to the sticks, there were a few kids who supported Macc Town and few supported Stoke, but most supported Utd.
There was one kid who supported City, who got "duffed up" (old speak for a battering) a couple of times for bragging about City's Summerbee, Lee era, short lived success.
My dad used to take me to OT on a regular basis and I always marvelled at the lines of coaches from all over the UK, bringing Utd fans to OT for home games.
Conversely, my maternal Grandparents actually lived in the actual Kippax St. (a very different era!!! ) and when visiting on a Saturday, as a kid and City were at home, my cousins and I would watch the crowds coming away from Maine Rd. at the end of the street.
I recall coaches coming from various parts of Manchester and the surrounding NW towns, but not from the 4 corners of the nation, as at OT.
My perception was that City fans were mostly from South and SE Manchester, Stockport etc, etc, whereas Utd Fans came from all over Manchester and the surrounding, former Lancashire towns.
When I moved to West London in my late teens, I was surprised at the amount of support for Utd, even if most supported London teams.
The same in later years when I moved out into the Thames Valley.
When replica shirts became a fashion, the number of young kids wearing a Utd shirt was pretty impressive too, but then we were into the Fergy era and non-stop success and glory.
Back in the 70's, 80's and 90's I used to go to a lot of away matches in the South and Midlands, with a bunch of mates, who were split 50/50 being former Mancs or from the South.
One off my mates, who was born in Fulham, but bought up near Reading, was a Utd fanatic.
His Dad, born and bred in London, had been to the post-WW2 Wembley Cup final in 1948, when a young man and became a big fan.
He passed it on to his two sons, taking them to matches when Utd were in town (London).
My mate's family are Red through and through, even though non of them have any family ties with Manchester.
A lot has changed in the last 10 years since our decline began.
From my observation, the number of replica shirts being worn by kids down in the south, has dwindled to almost none.
In the sportswear stores, Utd shirts are now relegated to the "other teams" racks, with prominence being given to Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and City.
Still, when I watched one of our matches in a Hotel/Pub bar in Farnborough, Hampshire this last January (a Sunday afternoon kick-off) there was a large crowd of raucous local Reds cheering us on, even though we got beat that day.
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Almost every kid I knew was a Utd fan back then and when we moved out to the sticks, there were a few kids who supported Macc Town and few supported Stoke, but most supported Utd.
There was one kid who supported City, who got "duffed up" (old speak for a battering) a couple of times for bragging about City's Summerbee, Lee era, short lived success.
My dad used to take me to OT on a regular basis and I always marvelled at the lines of coaches from all over the UK, bringing Utd fans to OT for home games.
Conversely, my maternal Grandparents actually lived in the actual Kippax St. (a very different era!!! ) and when visiting on a Saturday, as a kid and City were at home, my cousins and I would watch the crowds coming away from Maine Rd. at the end of the street.
I recall coaches coming from various parts of Manchester and the surrounding NW towns, but not from the 4 corners of the nation, as at OT.
My perception was that City fans were mostly from South and SE Manchester, Stockport etc, etc, whereas Utd Fans came from all over Manchester and the surrounding, former Lancashire towns.
When I moved to West London in my late teens, I was surprised at the amount of support for Utd, even if most supported London teams.
The same in later years when I moved out into the Thames Valley.
When replica shirts became a fashion, the number of young kids wearing a Utd shirt was pretty impressive too, but then we were into the Fergy era and non-stop success and glory.
Back in the 70's, 80's and 90's I used to go to a lot of away matches in the South and Midlands, with a bunch of mates, who were split 50/50 being former Mancs or from the South.
One off my mates, who was born in Fulham, but bought up near Reading, was a Utd fanatic.
His Dad, born and bred in London, had been to the post-WW2 Wembley Cup final in 1948, when a young man and became a big fan.
He passed it on to his two sons, taking them to matches when Utd were in town (London).
My mate's family are Red through and through, even though non of them have any family ties with Manchester.
A lot has changed in the last 10 years since our decline began.
From my observation, the number of replica shirts being worn by kids down in the south, has dwindled to almost none.
In the sportswear stores, Utd shirts are now relegated to the "other teams" racks, with prominence being given to Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and City.
Still, when I watched one of our matches in a Hotel/Pub bar in Farnborough, Hampshire this last January (a Sunday afternoon kick-off) there was a large crowd of raucous local Reds cheering us on, even though we got beat that day.
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Most of City's fans are in Manchester because they don't have much of a global fanbase. Small clubs tend to be like that. United have a gigantic global fanbase, so even if our local fanbase is bigger than City's (which it is, apart from some small geographical pockets) it would still be a smaller percentage of our global numbers. So when City say they have more fans in Manchester, what they're really saying is that they are a small club without much reach.
I am a Manchester United supporter from India and I believed those comments about lot of our fans being in London. But I moved to Manchester 2 years ago and that’s all bullshit. I live near the Etihad stadium and the fanbase is split by region, all places close to Manchester city centre is mostly City fans(I have met a few United fans but their families have a lot of city fans). You get a lot more United fans in the stretford, Salford and Trafford area.
Globally there is going to be a lot more new City fans than United fans because they have been more successful. Success attracts supporters, it’s also one of the reasons I started supporting United. It’s the turncoats I hate.
Globally there is going to be a lot more new City fans than United fans because they have been more successful. Success attracts supporters, it’s also one of the reasons I started supporting United. It’s the turncoats I hate.
https://www.footballfancast.com/pre...lubs-with-the-biggest-fan-bases-in-the-world/
Very interesting..
I still don't believe city have that many fans. Especially if you look at social media numbers
Very interesting..
I still don't believe city have that many fans. Especially if you look at social media numbers
So many Londoners supporting United always confused me. There's plenty of big clubs in London to choose without picking a team hundreds of miles away.
There is City fans who hates being owned by Oil money. They hate the new stadium and all the foreigners brought in. They want the old City back. I can’t blame them.
I can’t talk about Manchester, but in Sweden United have a huge following, the same goes for Norway.
City have some kids cheer for them, it will end when they sell Haaland and stop winning the the league.
I can’t talk about Manchester, but in Sweden United have a huge following, the same goes for Norway.
City have some kids cheer for them, it will end when they sell Haaland and stop winning the the league.
The whole thing was always a load of bullshit perpratrated by people in the 90s because we were dominating the league and city were playing Mansfield in front of 3007.
I remember the trophy parade in 99 and the whole of Greater Manchester basically came to a standstill for a night.
Even in the modern era, we got 68,000 in the ground for the Youth Cup final. Nobody is touching us.
I remember the trophy parade in 99 and the whole of Greater Manchester basically came to a standstill for a night.
Even in the modern era, we got 68,000 in the ground for the Youth Cup final. Nobody is touching us.
It goes back to the 50s according to my grandad. We were cool as f*ck and people fell in love with the Busby Babes and later Best, Law etc. Even in the 70s, we largely dominated football fan culture when the team was doing rubbish and relegated.
I went to school in Oldham. I think half of our year was absent the day after the Champions League final in 2008. Great days.
And London like all capitals is a hub, a large amount of people aren't originally from London or their parents aren't from London. They either moved for work or study.
No straight answer.
Salford is mainly Utd. Some areas of East Manchester down to Stockport that City would claim are pretty blue.
In reality Utd dominated support pretty much everywhere for years - with the likelihood being City are making a few percentage points up over the last decade.
My family is from Tameside which would be seen as traditionally Blue, but the schools were almost always more Utd.
Family itself is split down the middles. Mums side Blue, Dad's side red. Hence I am
Always seemed to be an East/West split
But even in traditional Blue areas you'd find a high percentage of Reds. When I was at school 95% kids followed United. But City fans claimed that most Reds are armchair fans. During our heyday they claimed other bullshit and.now...nowt because they've been far the better than us and still unable to fill their ground.
Everyone at school who wasn't a london club was United when I was a kid. Apart from one random Newcastle fan (why?).
Kids don't care about where the team is, just if the team is good, who their favourite player is, etc. Then loyalty/attachment takes over and trumps locality.
When I used to go to OT from London a lot there'd be a lot of jibes about all our fanbase being from London. I thought this was strange as there'd be about 70,000 odd fans at each game. Compared to the maybe 100 on the train....half the people at Old Trafford always seemed to be mancs and most of the rest always seemed to be Irish. The only time I'd end up chatting with other Londoners was on the train.
Also, with a lot of games, it was a massive pain in the arse to get there and back due to the trains being allergic to things like night time and Sunday. Even if 99% of the fanbase was in London, 99% of them wouldn't bother.
Exactly the same for me, down to the single Newcastle fan.
Maybe we are from twin universes. Did he wear glasses?
Don't think there's THAT many City fans even today, which considering they have had huge success and a treble in probably the same time period -we- were successful is wild to me, really. There's definitely more than there were, but even the youngguns are still more for United
I went to school in Melbourne with a fair bunch of Chelsea, Arsenal, and Liverpool fans... and a single City fan. This was 20ish years ago, so fair play to Nigel if he's still supporting Man City out there!
Cockney Reds were around in the 60s and 70s. I was at college in London and would travel up to home games with them. Good lads.
It was never true, not now, not then. United have far more fans globally and of course you see a lot of fair weather fans all over the country and the world. It’s one of those soundbytes that sounds funny but doesn’t stand up to even the basic amount of logic or scrutiny. City are minnows in comparison, even after spending 15 years and billions of pounds trying to buy history and support. All they’ve done is made themselves more plastic than ever.