City/Haaland

[usual_suspect]

Originally posted by Jens:
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for the third time ... why didnt he have to be subbed? why was he able to play for norway 3 days later? why was he able to play v west ham a week later?</strong><hr></blockquote>

i'm sure there's a medical explanantion for all of this...and it will come out during the trial.

 

[Jens]

if city come up with your arguments the trial will be over in 5 minutes ...

 

[AhmedDimwitson]

Originally posted by usual_suspect:
<strong>i'm not saying keane caused the injury or worsened it, but the video does show it taking a knock, twisting, and then then hitting the ground, all of which city lawyers and doctors will argue worsened the injury.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, right. The doctors are under oath so they can't create anything like you just did. If he had something else in that knee pictures will show it. They will hardly take it to court.

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

Originally posted by usual_suspect:
<strong>i'm not saying keane caused the injury or worsened it, but the video does show it taking a knock, twisting, and then then hitting the ground, all of which city lawyers and doctors will argue worsened the injury.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If City and Haaland have any sense at all, they will let it rest. Haaland will have more than Keano to look out for if any materialises from this, and he only shows himself up as an opportunistic fool who's trying to milk his own publicity from it. And City will surely be adviced that this can make the Millwall riots look pale.

Keano's tackle was outragous. But if no one had the guts to take action then - not Haaland, not City nor the FA - they should let it go now.

 

[usual_suspect]

lol...doctors will say anything if given the proper incentives. city will find someone out there with impeccable credentials to back up there story....for the right price.

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

Originally posted by usual_suspect:
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because, like i said, i enjoy the spectacle, and will enjoy the court case as well. face it, if this was involving a liverpool player in keane's shoes, you'd be enjoying it as well.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If it had been a Liverpool player, it wouldn't have got 10% of the media publicity or attention from other teams fans as this.

 

[AhmedDimwitson]

Originally posted by usual_suspect:
<strong>lol...doctors will say anything if given the proper incentives. city will find someone out there with impeccable credentials to back up there story....for the right price.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That's illegal so doubt city will do that for such a small gain.

 

[Amir]

Originally posted by usual_suspect:
<strong>lol...doctors will say anything if given the proper incentives. city will find someone out there with impeccable credentials to back up there story....for the right price.</strong><hr></blockquote>

And we'll bring a 100 who'll say the truth for no price at all.

I'm sorry, but no judge or jury with their right minds will accept that Keane's challenege damaged Haaland's career no matter what a doctor says.

 

[usual_suspect]

Originally posted by Jens:
<strong>if city come up with your arguments the trial will be over in 5 minutes ...</strong><hr></blockquote>

i'm sure they'll have researched their case thouroughly, and obviously think they have a good chance of success if they're going forward with the case. even if it fails, it's just another distraction for your captain to deal with, pushing him closer and closer to the edge...how's he going to hold up under cross-examination?

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

Originally posted by usual_suspect:
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i'm sure there's a medical explanantion for all of this...and it will come out during the trial.


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How can you be sure there is medical explanation for this?

 

[usual_suspect]

Originally posted by AhmedDimwitson:
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That's illegal so doubt city will do that for such a small gain.</strong><hr></blockquote>

it happens all the time...not sure about the legality, but expert witnesses are usually paid, and you get to pick your own experts.

 

[AhmedDimwitson]

Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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How can you be sure there is medical explanation for this?</strong><hr></blockquote>

There probably is a medical explanation for his knee injury, but it sure as hell is not the domino effect from this tackle didn't cause it <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

Originally posted by usual_suspect:
<strong>lol...doctors will say anything if given the proper incentives. city will find someone out there with impeccable credentials to back up there story....for the right price.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Is this what you're hoping?

 

[usual_suspect]

Originally posted by Amir:
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And we'll bring a 100 who'll say the truth for no price at all.

I'm sorry, but no judge or jury with their right minds will accept that Keane's challenege damaged Haaland's career no matter what a doctor says.</strong><hr></blockquote>

do you always agree with jury verdicts? sometimes they do behave strangely...

 

[usual_suspect]

Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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Is this what you're hoping? </strong><hr></blockquote>

yes.

 

[usual_suspect]

Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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How can you be sure there is medical explanation for this?</strong><hr></blockquote>

city seem to think so, or else they wouldn't bother with the case.

 

[AhmedDimwitson]

Originally posted by usual_suspect:
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it happens all the time...not sure about the legality, but expert witnesses are usually paid, and you get to pick your own experts.</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> , been watching too much L.A Law lately?

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

Originally posted by usual_suspect:
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it happens all the time...not sure about the legality, but expert witnesses are usually paid, and you get to pick your own experts.</strong><hr></blockquote>


So not only are you a medical expert, but also a legal expert..

Shame you know feck all about football

 

[usual_suspect]

ummmm...no. that's the way it works...perhaps you're not an "expert" on legal matters ahmed, maybe you should brush up on the subject.

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

Originally posted by usual_suspect:
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yes.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Then you're a bigger fool than I though you were

You hope our legal system get corrupted for the sake of a footballer

Idiot

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

Originally posted by usual_suspect:
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city seem to think so, or else they wouldn't bother with the case.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Because they haven't thought it through properly

 

[usual_suspect]

yes, i'm sure this single case will reverberate through the halls of justice for the eons of time...come on, the legal system is already corrupt, and this one case isn't going to make a big difference.

 

[nickm]

&gt; The biggest disgrace and shame i
&gt; associate with Man utd is pansie tree
&gt; hugging sunshine supporters like yourself.

No player is bigger than the Club.

Keane increasingly appears to think he is, and has carte blanche to do what he wants on the pitch, and say what he wants off it, without fear nor favour.

Nobody comes out of this well. Keano is making *everyone* look bad - and that is a problem for himself, us and the Club.

Can't you guys see this? Is it so hard to understand the problems that occur when a Club begins to get damaged by the actions of its player?

Look what happened to Leeds last season! And this is our *captain* potentially in court, the media etc etc.!

 

[AhmedDimwitson]

Originally posted by usual_suspect:
<strong>ummmm...no. that's the way it works...perhaps you're not an "expert" on legal matters ahmed, maybe you should brush up on the subject.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, pay your witnesses to lie in court <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> . At what uni can I learn more about this custom? Get fecking real idiot, it's clear this happens but doubt anyone would go down that way for such a small gain and high risc.

 

[Marching]

Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
<strong>..But if no one had the guts to take action then - not Haaland, not City nor the FA - they should let it go now.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The difference now is that RK has stupidly admitted he went for the player, with no intention of getting ball, in some pathetic act of revenge.

The man is an idiot...once for the foul on Haaland at ER, secondly for the foul at OT and thirdly for putting it in his book.

 

[usual_suspect]

btw, i don't know why you're all taking this out on me? keane's the one who was playing a game while hungover, made a rash challenge, did his cruciate ligaments, came back two years later looking for revenge, clattered into haaland trying to injure him, got sent off, and then wrote a book about the whole thing. this whole thing is roy keane's fault, no one else's...surely you admit that?

 

[usual_suspect]

Originally posted by AhmedDimwitson:
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Yeah, pay your witnesses to lie in court <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> . At what uni can I learn more about this custom? Get fecking real idiot, it's clear this happens but doubt anyone would go down that way for such a small gain and high risc.</strong><hr></blockquote>

what's so high risk about it? the doctor can't be proven to be lying, he's just offering his qualified medical OPINION. you can't prove he's lying unless you read his mind...and the potential rewards are large:

1. bad publicity for your fiercest rivals
2. a large cash award
3. the damage it will do to roy keane

 

[Jens]

where did keano say he was on the piss the night before that game?

wouldnt it be interesting to read the full book first instead of some extracts?

is it only me or does anyone else think it´s ironic that were discussing this topic with a supporter of a team whos not involved in this?

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

Originally posted by marchingontogether:
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The difference now is that RK has stupidly admitted he went for the player, with no intention of getting ball, in some pathetic act of revenge.

The man is an idiot...once for the foul on Haaland at ER, secondly for the foul at OT and thirdly for putting it in his book.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm not arguing against that, but City and Haaland are hardly any smarter if they:

1) Believe it got them relegated
2) Trying to claim the incident ruined the player's career, when he's put it in writing before that it didn't
3) Stirring up trouble among fans, which can have massive repurcussion for the City, football and Haaland himself

 

[usual_suspect]

what, do you think in the next chapter, keane admits to making the whole thing up?

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

Originally posted by usual_suspect:
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what's so high risk about it? the doctor can't be proven to be lying, he's just offering his qualified medical OPINION. you can't prove he's lying unless you read his mind...and the potential rewards are large:

1. bad publicity for your fiercest rivals
2. a large cash award
3. the damage it will do to roy keane</strong><hr></blockquote>

You're a fool if that's your true view on it

I hope you're never in a situation where you're suffering from someone lying in the court..

 

[AhmedDimwitson]

Originally posted by usual_suspect:
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what's so high risk about it? the doctor can't be proven to be lying, he's just offering his qualified medical OPINION. you can't prove he's lying unless you read his mind...and the potential rewards are large:

1. bad publicity for your fiercest rivals
2. a large cash award
3. the damage it will do to roy keane</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, put it this way then. If the expert medical opinion is totally wrong you can get 10 who are right and consequently the reputation of the one who is lying and paid will be gone and the jury won't listen. If it's clearly wrong it's not his qualified medical opinion and then it will be VERY easy to find neutral experts to put him down. So ultimately you will not find experts with high credibility that will say anything you want. Only medical experts with low credibility from starters will go down that path as they have nothing to lose.

This is really a no brainer if your argument for a win is that the doctor has to lie in court. The PR for city isn't exactly positive either if they drag some village idiot there to testify.

 

[Jens]

Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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You're a fool if that's your true view on it

I hope you're never in a situation where you're suffering from someone lying in the court..</strong><hr></blockquote>

speaking from experience?

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

Originally posted by Jens:
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is it only me or does anyone else think it´s ironic that were discussing this topic with a supporter of a team whos not involved in this?</strong><hr></blockquote>


It's becuase, like no other team in this country, everyone is interested in our club

 

[AhmedDimwitson]

Originally posted by usual_suspect:
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what's so high risk about it? the doctor can't be proven to be lying, he's just offering his qualified medical OPINION. you can't prove he's lying unless you read his mind...and the potential rewards are large:

1. bad publicity for your fiercest rivals
2. a large cash award
3. the damage it will do to roy keane</strong><hr></blockquote>

And what would the cash reward for city be in your opinion then?

On what basis can they sue the club when it's Keane that did the tackle?

 

[usual_suspect]

Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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I'm not arguing against that, but City and Haaland are hardly any smarter if they:

1) Believe it got them relegated
2) Trying to claim the incident ruined the player's career, when he's put it in writing before that it didn't
3) Stirring up trouble among fans, which can have massive repurcussion for the City, football and Haaland himself</strong><hr></blockquote>


i think keane is responsible for any trouble that erupts between fans of the two clubs...the incident was gone and forgotten before HE brought it back up. and anyways, don't you think the city boys could hold their own against your lot? i don't think they're quivering in fear of the prawn sandwich/day-tripper brigade...

 

[Marching]

Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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I'm not arguing against that, but City and Haaland are hardly any smarter if they:

1) Believe it got them relegated
2) Trying to claim the incident ruined the player's career, when he's put it in writing before that it didn't
3) Stirring up trouble among fans, which can have massive repurcussion for the City, football and Haaland himself</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree with you over 1 and 2 but I don't think Haaland should back away from a legal claim just because the other half of Manchester might not like the decision...RK did wrong that day and now faces the consequences of another act of his stupidity.

 

[usual_suspect]

Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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It's becuase, like no other team in this country, everyone is interested in our club</strong><hr></blockquote>

of course, you two are nowhere to be found discussing matters related to liverpool on a certain liverpool website, are you???

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

Originally posted by Jens:
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speaking from experience?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I have had legal issues where witnesses were lying and twisting the truth, but luckily I had all documents to prove I was in the right.

 

[usual_suspect]

Originally posted by AhmedDimwitson:
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And what would the cash reward for city be in your opinion then?

On what basis can they sue the club when it's Keane that did the tackle?</strong><hr></blockquote>

from YAWN.co.uk

"I think you will find as Keane was in the employ of Manchester United and on their business at the time of the incient, there will be some liability on their part.
For instance if you were chinned for no apparent reason, (other than you were a united supporter ) by a security guard while you were shopping in Tescos and that guard was on duty and in the employ of that company you would sue them both. They would be responsible for the actions of their staff....cheers"