The irony is completely lost on you mateIt clearly says the employers. Can't quite believe the idiocy going on here
City fans disgusting behaviour | Aeroplane and monkey gestures | Do not dox please
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Foreign Arabs? As opposed to what? British Arabs
Another glorious opinion formed on the back of a couple of posts on the internet!
I'm at a loss here with these lot. Unsurprising they were some of the first to enter this thread when they saw it bumped I guess.
What are you mad about? That you've been found out? Or that someone like you has?
I left it out because it's fair enough and I don't want to debate whether it's wrong or right statement when it comes to the situation in the UK. But you had to put "leftist vermin" in there, as if it's not common practice to talk shit about people that fall outside of your political views.
I don't think you quite grasped the point.
I'm absolutely amazed at how people think views like the ones you've posted are okay in today's society. A sign of the times I guess.
It clearly says the employers. Can't quite believe the idiocy going on here
Like discussing that here ? Don't you have any friends to ask ?
You seem emotionally stable.
You told me I'm an idiot, what is the other implication you are trying to make?No one said they were ok. I don’t believe I saw that posted.
Hey no one’s stopping you or the other poster from reporting the guy in question. Why feel the need to come on here to validate your actions or proposed actions
Because I wasn't sure. I am now. Cheers racist defenders.
The irony of it all is that these anti-foreigners who harp on about immigration and their country being flooded will be the first to cheer on a club full of - you guessed it - foreigners.
Nobody's defending racism. The question is whether you should get involved in something you have very little actual information about, and more than a few people think you shouldn't.
I think I should, because I don't like racists.
They can decide what to do.
Just sent the email, with kind regards from Inigo Camilo.
Probably done the right thing but I don’t know why you came here to ask everyone if you’re only prepared to hear one answer
That’s the irony of people with very stereotypical views re race. Football fans are a strange bunch in that they are brought together collectively for their team.
sadly I’ve had to travel to games with hard core Utd fans some of whom were appalling racists. They did include black fans who took delight in mocking Asians. I used to be scared to be in their presence. I think the only thing that stopped them turning on me was that I was Utd.
Prepared to hear an answer either way, but if the answer is excusing racism or with a shithouse tone it won't garner the best response from me.
Because there is an element in society that is unwilling to debate with anyone on the subject of race without labelling someone with a different viewpoint as being racist
It's the tribalist nature of football with it's "us and them" mentality, and it's a double edged sword. It brings everyone together which can be beautiful, if only the racists didn't revert back to type once the 90 minutes are over. Or in the case of the City fan, if it's a non-white player playing for your rivals.
This. This thread is going way sideways, but I'm going to be up front - a lot of people around the world dislike England because of their imperial history. People "flood" the UK because the standard of living is high and there is big potential to find an opportunity to live a much better life than in your own country. I can say from my own experiences, my own countrymen hate on England in the majority, though there is a lot of support for English football over here, so the fickle nature of it is true.
The posts after @VeevaVee's question have been eye-opening and very "interesting"…
That dude's post on LinkedIn was clearly racist. Not necessarily viciously racist, but reeking of the kind of deep-down, fundamental racism that is a core fabric of some people's thinking. The fact that the dude thought it was OK to post such things on a public, professional social network like LinkedIn, not even Facebook is ever more troubling.
I can relate to @VeevaVee's questions - he is trying to be thoughtful before potentially getting somebody in trouble. Humans make mistakes and we've all said at some point something we later regretted. So you would want to know if it's that kind of case, or this person is a danger to others around him and could be discriminating people at work. Nothing weird about the question.
What is weird is some thinking the post on LinkedIn itself was possibly non-racist and that somehow debating that is a healthy debate… Oh well
That dude's post on LinkedIn was clearly racist. Not necessarily viciously racist, but reeking of the kind of deep-down, fundamental racism that is a core fabric of some people's thinking. The fact that the dude thought it was OK to post such things on a public, professional social network like LinkedIn, not even Facebook is ever more troubling.
I can relate to @VeevaVee's questions - he is trying to be thoughtful before potentially getting somebody in trouble. Humans make mistakes and we've all said at some point something we later regretted. So you would want to know if it's that kind of case, or this person is a danger to others around him and could be discriminating people at work. Nothing weird about the question.
What is weird is some thinking the post on LinkedIn itself was possibly non-racist and that somehow debating that is a healthy debate… Oh well
And I think my other point is; with that shared love of a team, people can change through speaking to one another.It's the tribalist nature of football with it's "us and them" mentality, and it's a double edged sword. It brings everyone together which can be beautiful, if only the racists didn't revert back to type once the 90 minutes are over. Or in the case of the City fan, if it's a non-white player playing for your rivals.
I won’t give up hope in someone with racist views to change
Amen.
I think you have summarised this better than I ever could.
Thank you
Okay, then, has the racist bitter been fired from his gig or is still suspended?
Thanks.
Agreed. It can definitely help, although there's then the danger of "not them, but all the others".
I find people who have left their town, their comfort zone, and gone and met a wider variety of people are much less likely to hold views like this.
But I'm not in a position to change anyone through exposure, and people like this have been empowered recently to think it's ok be out in the open with it, when it's not.
Exposure to more diversity should help. Most normal humans should throw-away their narrow-mindedness and understand how horrible racism is, in any form. But it also does not always happen so having a permanent "glass half full" attitude is also dangerous. Too much "understanding" can border on enablement and encouraging the thinking that racist views are just as valid of a "viewpoint" as the opposite of it. Case in point - the obvious rise of far-right extremism all over Europe and United States.
Extremism is very hard to combat intellectually.
What I was referring to is the stereotypical views which one can encounter everyday in everyday situations. Often it’s the throwaway comments that people don’t think are racist that one can debate. If it works it works
That’s the power and toxicity of soctal media for you
No idea what's going on.
Is this bloke that's been talked about for the past couple of pages the City fan making the monkey gestures from the op?
Is this bloke that's been talked about for the past couple of pages the City fan making the monkey gestures from the op?
That they have a racist employee?
How does it follow that they have a racist employee from what you quoted which was this:
As far as I can see there's no overt racism there, maybe a nationalist flavor.
I mean, there's a clear implication of racism in what he's said there, considering he absolutely does not know which country they're from but is quite happy to assume based on what he thinks of certain people from other countries. Not the worst comment, but it was strange enough to make me look further, at which point, as I've already said, I saw that they'd been replying to and liking some anti-'arab'/muslim comments and posts.
Coupled with typical imagery that you get from white nationalists/EDL/Britain First all over his page, I think it's safe to say the guy is a racist. Proof in the eyes of the law? Probably not. His company can decide if they like having someone like that representing them all over social media though. I don't like him or people like him, so I grassed on him with a smile on my face, just like these people have had on theirs while shitting all over everyone else.
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Declaring that everybody from a certain country is inferior (e.g. an inept bricklayer), as exemplified by jumping to declaring that a bad bricklayer must be from a certain country is clearly a blunt prejudice against people from whatever the other country that person meant. The more precise name for prejudice against people from another country is "xenophobia", but in common use "racism" is referred to racial, as well as "country of origin" and religious prejudices.
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It's amazing how ill-informed people still are these days. Most self-respecting companies have social media, safeguarding, prevent, equality & diversity and whistleblowing policies (or should have). If brought to their attention, guys like this would certainly be taken to task (again, or should be).
Why would you bump a dormant football thread titled "City fans disgusting behaviour | Aeroplane and monkey gestures | Do not dox please" with Dave Regan's activity (from Northampton) on LinkedIn that you perceive to be xenophobic? You're hounding some random person's comment history on social media, reporting to their employers and then anonymously posting it on a football forum thread specifically titled "Do Not Dox" - I find this behaviour OTT.
Is "Proudly Made in the USA" or "Made in France" statement racist? Because by your SJW logic, those statements imply that products made in other countries are inferior therefore they must imply blunt prejudice against non-US or non-French people respectively.
What the feck are you on about? It's another Kier employee being racist, hence posting in this thread. This should be obvious. And he's posting on social media with that account, social media where he represents his company no less. Maybe you don't know what doxxing means, or maybe you're also desperate to come to his defence.
Another very strange response.
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Oh wow. This is the first time I was dismissively called "social justice warrior". Didn't expect it would happen on a football forum, of all places. But everybody knows who are the people that use that stupid abbreviation, so thanks for removing any shred of a doubt. Not that your previous posts left much for clarification, but now we know for sure.