I wish.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024
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I wish.
Well if they are found guilty and expelled from the Premier League they would not be able to apply to join another league in time to take part next season so would have to have no league football for a year and as a result would also not be elligible for the League Cup, FA Cup, or European competitions next season either.
Considering the geopolitical implications, it’s actually quite a big deal that the Telegraph is running that headline.
Titles should be stripped, but not given to anyone for those seasons.
Despite the fact United would've won an extra league!
That depends on which seasons it is applied to though as if it is only seasons from 2008 to 2018 then we would get 2 and Liverpool would get 1 but if its all seasons from 2008 to 2024 then we would get 3 and Liverpool would get 3.
That's the dream scenario but no way it happens
You don't have to hand out titles to 2nd place after stripping them. It should just be a blank in the history books. Which is unfortunate but the right thing to do.
We knew that was the case anyway
I've been trying to get an estimate about when the ruling could come out, but have not seen anything. Anyone have an idea of the timeline? Thanks for the info.
Just wishful thinking. The UAE is going to be putting massive political pressure on the British government to avoid that. And considering the volatile situation in the Middle East, the West wants happy Gulf states to help them out.
This is exactly the reason why I'm against state ownership in football clubs
If there was a point for them to put pressure on the PL not to pursue it then now isn't that time.
If that was going to happen it would have been buried at the beginning.
I honestly feel they will get off on a technicality, much like the UEFA charges that went past the time period for prosucution if I remember right.
I also have a feeling that IF they are guilty , retrospective points deductions on each season will see them get points deduction up to 1 less point than they won the league by so they will still win the titles by 1 point.
The fact the UK gov also admitted talking to UAE over this should have seen City thrown out for political interference.
I also have a feeling that IF they are guilty , retrospective points deductions on each season will see them get points deduction up to 1 less point than they won the league by so they will still win the titles by 1 point.
The fact the UK gov also admitted talking to UAE over this should have seen City thrown out for political interference.
What about the season they won it on goal difference?
That's true, I am sure they will find a way :/
The technicality was the time barring for the UEFA case. The Premier League doesn't have that problem.
We all know City cheated, it's just whether the League has the stomach to make the right decision.
The second when Everton received a points deduction is when the whole dynamic of this case changed in my opinion.
There is 130 independent charges. They’re not going to get off on a technicality on every single one of those charges.
They are guilty of the 'failure to comply' ones at the very minimum. There will be a points deduction for those alone.
Did we get any of them?
10 weeks from now.
At minimum it’s a points deduction surely there’s too many charges to get every single one dismissed. The failure to comply is an instant feck up before the other charges are even looked at.
The trial is expected to last 10 weeks, which will take us to late November.
The verdict is expected "early 2025".
Ah. Going to be a fairly lengthy report I guess. But tbh, you’d expect a barrage of challenges through various means from city if it’s anything other than a fine, so any action is probably going to come much later than that too.
This is probably the most unique doomposting line I've seen in this thread. Also they won their first title beating us on goal difference, so how do they manipulate that one so that city still win it? Do they just bring the goal difference down to one more than ours?
Yep.
I keep flip flopping on what the outcome of this trial will be but there are so many sanctions which should realistically lead to relegation.
Politics and sport should have not been mixed. If City are not be punished, they need to be putting a foot down that the club must be sold or be excluded from any FA related competitions.
No state ownership as politics can then creep in. If Roman basically had to sell Chelsea, there should be a similar outcome for City so fair play can't be brought into question.
No state ownership as politics can then creep in. If Roman basically had to sell Chelsea, there should be a similar outcome for City so fair play can't be brought into question.
It’ll be north of 2000 pages. It’ll take 4 weeks to write and as long or longer to edit.
Exactly this. Where does it end?
I made this point earlier, that the best thing to do if found guilty, is simply put a line through their wins, like the UCI did with Lance Armstrongs wins in the Tour de France.
Its easier to do with something like Pro Cycling, where it only affects the top 3 standings in a race for medals (you could simply promote the 2nd place to winner, 3rd to 2nd etc) but in the Prem, that's a lot harder to do.
It's not as easy as giving the runners up the title, because what happens to the 5th place team? The ones that should have got CL football the following season? Do they claim for compensation from City for loss of earnings?
Likewise, go to the bottom of the table and the 3rd from bottom team who got relegated, could lodge a compensation claim that they should have stayed up. It opens up a right minefield for the Premiership and City.
I'm not saying City should be let off, no way, but in terms of their wins its far easier to just put a red line through all of their achievements in the years they did cheat, if found guilty (and demotion to League 2)
Probably a 3-4 point points deduction, just enough for them to still win the league, and a £10m or so financial penalty which they won’t even feel. Don’t get your hopes up. The worst I can see is maybe a points penalty high enough to have them not win the league but still finish comfortably in CL places.
Thanks mate.
It's not correct though. Any verdict is expected to come at some point in the first half of 2025.
The huge problem when / if City get their punishment, is that you'll have tonnes of legal action taken from every club who either missed out on the title / Europe / were relegated due to a result against City.
Going back a while, West Ham had to pay Sheffield United for relegation, due to Tevez and his dodgy ownership etc.
It'll be that x100.
Players already plotting their backdoor escape
How tall are you?
Got it. Thank you.
That wasn't Premier League led. Abromovich's assets were seized by western governments because of the Ukraine War. They're not that comparable.