If the fine of overstating sponsors and that of Billions is 10m then everyone would do it, especially the ME owned clubs.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024
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If the fine of overstating sponsors and that of Billions is 10m then everyone would do it, especially the ME owned clubs.
The problem for them would be affording Pep’s contract in line with FFP/PSR rules let alone everyone else.The Athletic podcast was interesting. Sam Lee and another guy suggesting they think Pep will stay out of ‘defiance’ if they are relegated
They could always fudge the books though I guess?
They were not found guilty of that.
No FFP or PSR below the Premier League.
The championship has some very tight rules. Which is why you constantly hear championship clubs in difficulty.
League 1 and down doesn't.
Which is how you have the ludicrous nature of Birmingham in league 1 buying a player for £15m with many add ons possibly pushing it way into the £20ms
I think League One and League Two have it as well, it's just a bit less strict and is mainly related to salary.
If there were no regulations there'd be no reason for the Saudis to have bought Newcastle ahead of one of the bigger Football League clubs.
Buy a club like Cardiff, Derby or Middlesbrough, with a 30,000+ capacity stadium, pump half a billion into the squad without fear of breaching any rules, and you're not just set for promotion, but immediate establishment near the top of the Premier League once there.
City to set another record of being the first team to win the PL and be relegated the next season?
League 1 and 2 have to put money up front, Neville has brought this up multiple times on Stick to Football in regard to Salford, the rules are different nin each division but they're all pretty strict
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What's this about 15 more charges? What have I missed?
It makes sense as it'd be very easy for clubs lower down to just cease to exist with even a season of reckless spending.
I'm not sure why anyone would think they don't have rules around it.
Perhaps because Bury ceased to exist and because it happened there can't be any rules!
In fairness its easy to think they dont when you see that Wrexham's wage bill in League 2 was higher than most League 1 clubs wage bills.
My personal opinion is that I think we’ll all be let down. It’ll be a hugely lenient punishment, if any at all.
In my experience (usually) of governments, large conglomerates, the NHS etc. It’s always been a case of ‘what benefits the most for a short term outlook?’ with no thought to the potential long term implications.
In this case, the short term benefit is for all this to be resolved and to make a bit of money. The long term implications of this happens would be the loss of credibility for the league and encourage other outfits to try the same tricks as City, further damaging the league.
I just have no faith that those in positions of power will actually do the right thing, or have the balls to find them guilty. Greed always wins.
In my experience (usually) of governments, large conglomerates, the NHS etc. It’s always been a case of ‘what benefits the most for a short term outlook?’ with no thought to the potential long term implications.
In this case, the short term benefit is for all this to be resolved and to make a bit of money. The long term implications of this happens would be the loss of credibility for the league and encourage other outfits to try the same tricks as City, further damaging the league.
I just have no faith that those in positions of power will actually do the right thing, or have the balls to find them guilty. Greed always wins.
They added charges for every season ticket holder. They’re seen as complicit in the crimes.
The Athletic podcast was interesting. Sam Lee and another guy suggesting they think Pep will stay out of ‘defiance’ if they are relegated
I don't think it's defiance, probably more like City doubling his salary. Pep has already achieved everything there is to achieve in the game, outside of international football. Even if these charges weren't a thing, we've often debated where pep goes after city, because there is no other club that is as set up for him to be a success than city. Maybe a return to barcelona late on in his career before international football at some country, but I don't find it that hard to imagine Pep staying if city are relegated to the bottom of english football.
The players on the other hand are a different story. Their careers are much shorter, none of them have achieved as much as Pep. Can't see them sticking around.
You think they will be in any position to double his salary if found guilty and relegated?
Who knows whether the owners will remain or even the wider executive structure of the club. Quite plausible there will be a mass exodus.
I should have added a disclaimer that that was on the basis of the owners and current executive staying
If the owners pack it in and/or the other barcelona guys leave then yeah I can't see him staying then
Might be able to land a job with an UAE club...I should have added a disclaimer that that was on the basis of the owners and current executive staying
If the owners pack it in and/or the other barcelona guys leave then yeah I can't see him staying then
I think you've misinterpreted my point mate. I said Everton got 10 points for one breach of PSR rules. While I've no idea if Everton broke the same rule as one of City's charges, that wasn't the point.
I was replying to a post that suggested City might only get a 5-6 point deduction. So all I was saying was if the PL punished Everton with a 10 point deduction for one charge it's highly unlikely City are getting away with a 5 point deduction for 115 charges.
I never said City will be getting a 1,115 point deduction.
Fair enough you are right there. I know City haven't been charged with 115 breaches of PSR that post was poorly worded on my part.
Well they won the old Division One in 1937 and were relegated the following season
Yeah it would be great would mean their next 10 PL seasons would result in relegation regardless of how they performed. So 20 years of yo-yoing between the Premier League and the Championship.
And to be honest I don't think anyone could say they wouldn't deserve it for the shit they've pulled since 2008.
It'll never happen though.
Never say never
Being pedantic, City haven't been charged with any breaches of PSR, the timeframe the charges cover a relate to before PSR existed, FFP rules wre different in quite a few aspects of the current rules of recent years
Ugh
The Athletic podcast was interesting. Sam Lee and another guy suggesting they think Pep will stay out of ‘defiance’ if they are relegated
I think he's in it up to his neck. I'm convinced the main reason he hasn't left them because they have him by the balls.
What an underdog story, makes you well up
What was annoying about the podcast was them discussing City getting relegated and that quickly turned into them loving the idea of them smashing the championship with Pep at the helm. Feck off.
I’ve been a bit bemused by the media narrative I’ve heard on a few podcasts that punishing City is a worse look for the PL than letting them get away with it.
Will the media suddenly all as one stop the bollocks of sucking up to them relentlessly if they’re actually done for their cheating?
Will the media suddenly all as one stop the bollocks of sucking up to them relentlessly if they’re actually done for their cheating?
What's happened over the last 10 pages? The usual "they should be expelled from the league" "they'll get away with it" posts. Or something tangible worth reading?
Nope. Undoubtedly they will revel in there inevitable rise back up the league/table.
I doubt there's a violin in the whole of Stockport that is small enough
What has been said nn the hearing up to now?
Any new details we weren't aware of?
Any new details we weren't aware of?
He’s the type that would grass everyone up in return for immunity. Doing that thing he always does where he rolls a bit of spit on his tongue as he sings like a canary. Horrible bastard.
There's something called "football fortune" in the lower leagues. i.e. The owners can bone in with a tonnewad of cash.
So you can machine gun your way through the lower leagues, but have a massive problem if you hit the championship and you don't have the fanbase.
While Everton's punishment was for missing the 3 year rule on losses, they didn't try and fiddle any books, or invent / hype up deals, sponsor themselves etc.
If / when any of that stuff is proven the punishment should be way higher.
So while a huge percentage of charges are the delaying / refusal etc to give records, the other charges are massively more serious.
It'd be like someone robbing a bank, but then refusing to admit who was with them, using injunctions / lawyer trickery to delay proceedings. Annoying and punishable, but nothing compared to the actual main crime.
This is probably the thing I had in mind, because I remember it being brought up RE: Wrexham.