City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024

The Athletic podcast was interesting. Sam Lee and another guy suggesting they think Pep will stay out of ‘defiance’ if they are relegated :lol:
The problem for them would be affording Pep’s contract in line with FFP/PSR rules let alone everyone else.


They could always fudge the books though I guess?
 
The problem for them would be affording Pep’s contract in line with FFP/PSR rules let alone everyone else.


They could always fudge the books though I guess?

No FFP or PSR below the Premier League.
 
No FFP or PSR below the Premier League.
The championship has some very tight rules. Which is why you constantly hear championship clubs in difficulty.
League 1 and down doesn't.
Which is how you have the ludicrous nature of Birmingham in league 1 buying a player for £15m with many add ons possibly pushing it way into the £20ms
 
The championship has some very tight rules. Which is why you constantly hear championship clubs in difficulty.
League 1 and down doesn't.
Which is how you have the ludicrous nature of Birmingham in league 1 buying a player for £15m with many add ons possibly pushing it way into the £20ms

I think League One and League Two have it as well, it's just a bit less strict and is mainly related to salary.

If there were no regulations there'd be no reason for the Saudis to have bought Newcastle ahead of one of the bigger Football League clubs.

Buy a club like Cardiff, Derby or Middlesbrough, with a 30,000+ capacity stadium, pump half a billion into the squad without fear of breaching any rules, and you're not just set for promotion, but immediate establishment near the top of the Premier League once there.
 
City to set another record of being the first team to win the PL and be relegated the next season?
 
I think League One and League Two have it as well, it's just a bit less strict and is mainly related to salary.

If there were no regulations there'd be no reason for the Saudis to have bought Newcastle ahead of one of the bigger Football League clubs.

Buy a club like Cardiff, Derby or Middlesbrough, with a 30,000+ capacity stadium, pump half a billion into the squad without fear of breaching any rules, and you're not just set for promotion, but immediate establishment near the top of the Premier League once there.
League 1 and 2 have to put money up front, Neville has brought this up multiple times on Stick to Football in regard to Salford, the rules are different nin each division but they're all pretty strict
 
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League 1 and 2 have to put money up front, Neville has brought tyhis up multiple times on Stick to Football in regard to Salford, the rules are different nin each division but they're all pretty strict

It makes sense as it'd be very easy for clubs lower down to just cease to exist with even a season of reckless spending.

I'm not sure why anyone would think they don't have rules around it.
 
It makes sense as it'd be very easy for clubs lower down to just cease to exist with even a season of reckless spending.

I'm not sure why anyone would think they don't have rules around it.
Perhaps because Bury ceased to exist and because it happened there can't be any rules!
 
My personal opinion is that I think we’ll all be let down. It’ll be a hugely lenient punishment, if any at all.

In my experience (usually) of governments, large conglomerates, the NHS etc. It’s always been a case of ‘what benefits the most for a short term outlook?’ with no thought to the potential long term implications.

In this case, the short term benefit is for all this to be resolved and to make a bit of money. The long term implications of this happens would be the loss of credibility for the league and encourage other outfits to try the same tricks as City, further damaging the league.

I just have no faith that those in positions of power will actually do the right thing, or have the balls to find them guilty. Greed always wins.
 
The Athletic podcast was interesting. Sam Lee and another guy suggesting they think Pep will stay out of ‘defiance’ if they are relegated :lol:

I don't think it's defiance, probably more like City doubling his salary. Pep has already achieved everything there is to achieve in the game, outside of international football. Even if these charges weren't a thing, we've often debated where pep goes after city, because there is no other club that is as set up for him to be a success than city. Maybe a return to barcelona late on in his career before international football at some country, but I don't find it that hard to imagine Pep staying if city are relegated to the bottom of english football.

The players on the other hand are a different story. Their careers are much shorter, none of them have achieved as much as Pep. Can't see them sticking around.
 
I don't think it's defiance, probably more like City doubling his salary. Pep has already achieved everything there is to achieve in the game, outside of international football. Even if these charges weren't a thing, we've often debated where pep goes after city, because there is no other club that is as set up for him to be a success than city. Maybe a return to barcelona late on in his career before international football at some country, but I don't find it that hard to imagine Pep staying if city are relegated to the bottom of english football.

The players on the other hand are a different story. Their careers are much shorter, none of them have achieved as much as Pep. Can't see them sticking around.
You think they will be in any position to double his salary if found guilty and relegated?

Who knows whether the owners will remain or even the wider executive structure of the club. Quite plausible there will be a mass exodus.
 
You think they will be in any position to double his salary if found guilty and relegated?

Who knows whether the owners will remain or even the wider executive structure of the club. Quite plausible there will be a mass exodus.

I should have added a disclaimer that that was on the basis of the owners and current executive staying :lol:

If the owners pack it in and/or the other barcelona guys leave then yeah I can't see him staying then
 
I should have added a disclaimer that that was on the basis of the owners and current executive staying :lol:

If the owners pack it in and/or the other barcelona guys leave then yeah I can't see him staying then
Might be able to land a job with an UAE club...
 
*s 130 charges are for a number of different breaches of PL rules..

The only direct correlation would be charges where the breaches / circumstances are the same as that which Everton were deemed liable.

So it isn’t as simple as ‘Everton got 10 points so * get 10 x 130’.

I think you've misinterpreted my point mate. I said Everton got 10 points for one breach of PSR rules. While I've no idea if Everton broke the same rule as one of City's charges, that wasn't the point.

I was replying to a post that suggested City might only get a 5-6 point deduction. So all I was saying was if the PL punished Everton with a 10 point deduction for one charge it's highly unlikely City are getting away with a 5 point deduction for 115 charges.

I never said City will be getting a 1,115 point deduction.
 
A huge percentage of City's charges are about not providing information and delaying proceedings. Not for actual breaches of PSR.

There's very little similarity between Everton and City cases, I'm not sure why people keep thinking there is.

Clearly one breach that has been admitted to, is a lot easier to deal with, then 115 charges where every element is fought and denied.

Fair enough you are right there. I know City haven't been charged with 115 breaches of PSR that post was poorly worded on my part.
 
This would be hilarious though.

If the US penal system did PL point deductions.

Yeah it would be great would mean their next 10 PL seasons would result in relegation regardless of how they performed. So 20 years of yo-yoing between the Premier League and the Championship.

And to be honest I don't think anyone could say they wouldn't deserve it for the shit they've pulled since 2008.

It'll never happen though.
 
Yeah it would be great would mean their next 10 PL seasons would result in relegation regardless of how they performed. So 20 years of yo-yoing between the Premier League and the Championship.

And to be honest I don't think anyone could say they wouldn't deserve it for the shit they've pulled since 2008.

It'll never happen though.
Never say never
 
Fair enough you are right there. I know City haven't been charged with 115 breaches of PSR that post was poorly worded on my part.
Being pedantic, City haven't been charged with any breaches of PSR, the timeframe the charges cover a relate to before PSR existed, FFP rules wre different in quite a few aspects of the current rules of recent years
 
Being pedantic, City haven't been charged with any breaches of PSR, the timeframe the charges cover a relate to before PSR existed, FFP rules wre different in quite a few aspects of the current rules of recent years

Ugh
 
The Athletic podcast was interesting. Sam Lee and another guy suggesting they think Pep will stay out of ‘defiance’ if they are relegated :lol:

I think he's in it up to his neck. I'm convinced the main reason he hasn't left them because they have him by the balls.
 
I think he's in it up to his neck. I'm convinced the main reason he hasn't left them because they have him by the balls.
What was annoying about the podcast was them discussing City getting relegated and that quickly turned into them loving the idea of them smashing the championship with Pep at the helm. Feck off.
 
I’ve been a bit bemused by the media narrative I’ve heard on a few podcasts that punishing City is a worse look for the PL than letting them get away with it.

Will the media suddenly all as one stop the bollocks of sucking up to them relentlessly if they’re actually done for their cheating?
 
I’ve been a bit bemused by the media narrative I’ve heard on a few podcasts that punishing City is a worse look for the PL than letting them get away with it.

Will the media suddenly all as one stop the bollocks of sucking up to them relentlessly if they’re actually done for their cheating?
Nope. Undoubtedly they will revel in there inevitable rise back up the league/table.
 
I think he's in it up to his neck. I'm convinced the main reason he hasn't left them because they have him by the balls.
He’s the type that would grass everyone up in return for immunity. Doing that thing he always does where he rolls a bit of spit on his tongue as he sings like a canary. Horrible bastard.
 
I think League One and League Two have it as well, it's just a bit less strict and is mainly related to salary.

If there were no regulations there'd be no reason for the Saudis to have bought Newcastle ahead of one of the bigger Football League clubs.

Buy a club like Cardiff, Derby or Middlesbrough, with a 30,000+ capacity stadium, pump half a billion into the squad without fear of breaching any rules, and you're not just set for promotion, but immediate establishment near the top of the Premier League once there.
There's something called "football fortune" in the lower leagues. i.e. The owners can bone in with a tonnewad of cash.

So you can machine gun your way through the lower leagues, but have a massive problem if you hit the championship and you don't have the fanbase.
 
Fair enough you are right there. I know City haven't been charged with 115 breaches of PSR that post was poorly worded on my part.

While Everton's punishment was for missing the 3 year rule on losses, they didn't try and fiddle any books, or invent / hype up deals, sponsor themselves etc.
If / when any of that stuff is proven the punishment should be way higher.

So while a huge percentage of charges are the delaying / refusal etc to give records, the other charges are massively more serious.

It'd be like someone robbing a bank, but then refusing to admit who was with them, using injunctions / lawyer trickery to delay proceedings. Annoying and punishable, but nothing compared to the actual main crime.
 
There's something called "football fortune" in the lower leagues. i.e. The owners can bone in with a tonnewad of cash.

So you can machine gun your way through the lower leagues, but have a massive problem if you hit the championship and you don't have the fanbase.

This is probably the thing I had in mind, because I remember it being brought up RE: Wrexham.