Delete club and jail the fans
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024
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IMHO the most likely outcome of all this that City will be let go on petty technicalities.
With the money spent and structures built I am sure they can handle one season outside the top flight. I'm sure we all hate City to irrational levels, but you can't deny how well they have been run and set up for the future. This project doesn't get abandoned over one setback.... unfortunately.
Feels a bit weird that my interest in PL lives and dies in a courtroom.
I think they will be a big club going forward absolutely. But I wouldn't underestimate the fact that they will potentially lose nearly all their key people and their owners may not have the same appetite to stress about hiring best on class.
I personally think that if they are relegated that will see them quickly promoted then becoming a side with a similar profile to Spurs.
They'll get enough of an "unprecidented" points deduction to ensure they stay up this season (50 points maybe). They'll ensure they won't be relegated/demoted.
Additional Impact is potentially one season with no CL football if they don't win the CL this season.
They'll take the hit and play the victims.
Additional Impact is potentially one season with no CL football if they don't win the CL this season.
They'll take the hit and play the victims.
I think you can totally argue how they’ve been run and setup for the future if they’re found guilty of heavily cheating to achieve it? It’s pretty easy to do things well if you don’t follow the rules.
Is this Lionel Hutz, the City Solicitor?
Probably.
What I want is just transparency. It looks like hearing will be in private. I don't know how England works when it comes to this but shouldn't this case be in everyones interest and because of that should be open for public?
Why is this hearing in private?
Why is this hearing in private?
Every few posts someone pops into say they'll get off with a fine or slap on the wrist. Is it part of some sort of coping mechanism on the off chance it does happen? 
Because people are aware how the world works, and that if you have enough money or influence you can get away with basically anything.Every few posts someone pops into say they'll get off with a fine or slap on the wrist. Is it part of some sort of coping mechanism on the off chance it does happen?
City's owners have both.
There’s a few well followed posters (morons) on Twitter who seem to think that the CAS judgement guarantees the PL ruling will be/has to be the same.
Ignoring the fact of the loaded panel that CAS had, the mistakes CAS made and the different charges being brought.
Most already are probably?
I want them punished, but that seems unnecessarily harsh
I don't agree with any of it, they should be stripped of all titles, relegated to the national league, have all records expunged and fined to a level that brings them back financially to where they were before, but that's not realistic, it won't happen. So you have to acknowledge they may face some form of punishment, but it won't be one that is just. So unfortunately, those structures will stay in place.
I'd say something about jails being already over-populated but I'm sure they can handle a dozen more people.
City’s lawyers are as good as you can get and they can argue the sky is green… but I can’t see how they get away with it. I’ve seen some of the emails, they’re as clear as day and in previous hearings, City people have confirmed the validity, just argued the exact meaning or whether time bound… the meaning is not decided by a loaded panel this time and the timebound bit doesn’t come into it, neither does the “we were hacked” defence I don’t think?
If they get away with it, the PL spending rules are basically useless and clubs can (will?) do what they want… that’s basically a Super League in waiting. I don’t think the PL will allow that as long as they have evidence… which they do.
Insert “fingers crossed” emoji here.
The whole "they're brilliantly operated, they'll be back" thing fails to take into account they're only well run because they had endless money to develop their infrastructure, steal Barcelona's entire model and key staff, sign any player for any amount of money (with some off books), etc.. to even get to this point.
They're brilliantly run now but they cheated in order to be run that way. They should never have even had the chance to have all of that stuff, that's kind of the point.
It's basically like a mobster going straight. Sure they live in a nice house, have fancy cars and might be doing legit stuff now but you'd probably think they don't really deserve any of that and should be punished plus have all of that repossessed by the banks.
They're brilliantly run now but they cheated in order to be run that way. They should never have even had the chance to have all of that stuff, that's kind of the point.
It's basically like a mobster going straight. Sure they live in a nice house, have fancy cars and might be doing legit stuff now but you'd probably think they don't really deserve any of that and should be punished plus have all of that repossessed by the banks.
Last chance saloon for the PL. So many teams and fans have missed out on great moments because of their obscene and flagrant disregard for the rules.
As good as dead as a competition if they are let off.
As good as dead as a competition if they are let off.
Are there any protests planned by fans, to put pressure on the FA?
I imagine it's due to commercial information and this isn't a criminal case so there would be no requirement to hold this in public.
And of course to hide the shame of inadequate actions from the public. I wouldn’t want to show my face either, if I were to blame for the destruction of football as we know it.
115 charges are a considerable number to be found no fault on any of them and escape with minimal sanctions. The FA have already made their bed by punishing other teams for lesser charges so they need to follow that example here.
First of all, it's not the FA, it's the PL and it's an independent panel. It's actually good there's no pressure on them, so that they can, you know, make a decision based on facts and evidence.
Second, you've already (or another BL poster) made your point about this and you know the answer.
The cases are entirely different so no. And it's not the FA.
Ok, unnecessarily aggressive person.
No worries, thin-skinned person!
But are there any plans to protest or not?
Calm down dear.
I'm good! It's just a bit tiresome, 274 pages in, that people still draw parallels between the Everton and Forest cases (or more recently the Leicester one) when the media have actually been quite good at clarifying they're vastly different cases, and many posters in here have been consistent in reminding that. Apologies if you took it as being "not calm", that wasn't the intention - but it's like comparing a civil case and a criminal case. The facts, the charges, the scope, everything is different, and what happened in an entirely different set of circumstances isn't relevant to the City case.
I do agree with the first part of your previous post though - it's extremely unlikely (in my mind, impossible, considering the information that is out there in the public domain following the leaks) that they would be found innocent of 115 charges (I believe it's even more now).
Kenwood juicer for every single fan they have.
That would be a fair compensation (and a nice surprise for those five feckers).
No problem, no need to apologise, my fault for not being up to date with the cases, I've lazily tended to put them in the same bracket when as you say they are different. Probably will try to read into the detail at some point before it gets underway.
If there only was a way to escape all these things you read voluntarily. But I can’t think of any.
In all seriousness though, I’m asking because if there were any, I’d like to share information on those, to increase the reach. The more people know about protests, the more effective they tend to get.
If City get away with it then Premier League football has lost all hope, it will have become a hollow plaything for the rich & powerful to stroke their ego's with. This hearing has got defining moment written all over it.
As I said I have no idea how justice system works in England. What I know is that this should be transparent. Regardless of how this case is viewed we know how important football is in England. That alone should matter. I would like to see more transparency in football overall. Starting with this, what is said in VAR room, transfer details and so on. The more transparency there is the better for football.
Is it true that Man City have had to pay part of the legal fees for the PL to bring them to trial due to PL rules? If true that's fecking funny
You can look for articles written by Martyn Ziegler, who has quite consistently well reported on this, I'm sure you can find some articles. Wouldn't recommend The Athletic who have in general good coverage but who have been extremely poor (probably by design) in covering this.
Well you seem to have missed my point, most of us know how the world works. But someone pops into say some variation of 'they'll get off with it' every few posts since the beginning of the thread. What's the point?
I think the vast majority of us suspect they could slime their way out of serious punishment.
I think all PL clubs have to contribute to the pot so yes.
Heh heh heh