Everton cooperated as well, City have done anything but.They haven't handed over their accounts since 2018 apparently that on its own is serious enough to dock pts regardless of the 115 charges.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024
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Bayern signed Sane from City a few years ago.
Sane wasn’t guaranteed a starting place at City. He went for game time and being a bigger fish in a smaller pond. League wise
Announce punishment.
Wow, that’s crazy.
Insurmountable and indefensible evidence here and they will still walk away with a limp wristed punishment. Nothing will happen and the league is basically compromised at this point.
The only way this is cleared up along with VAR is a new league , until then as it’s run by the same people it will just be a broken husk of what it was.
The only way this is cleared up along with VAR is a new league , until then as it’s run by the same people it will just be a broken husk of what it was.
Serious question: Who will decide what happens to them? The PL or the English FA? If it's the PL, who are the decision makers there? The clubs, or does the PL have a committee kind of thing?
Isn't whoever is on the committee likely to be send either money or threats from City affiliated people?
Wake me up when something actually happens
Its not a case of getting off for City anymore. Its minimizing the damage. They need to reduce the fines from 115 to 20 or so either by grouping them together for similar ones and/or dropping some. Then they need a narrative that makes them look good. Yes we did it but its not as bad as it looks because x,y,z. It was a minor infringement but we will accept punishment. Then they will get a punishment that looks good but in reality hurts them very little. 20/30 points and 100 mill fine. Headlines say Record Punishment! City owners smoking cigars laughing. Everyone forgets in a year.
So this means the 10pt deduction for Everton was also voted by 14 clubs (minimum)? And I know they are appealing that one - who exactly to?
The PL probably already has an idea of what they want to do, I'd imagine there is a lot of background back and forth here that is out of their control. You're talking about an entire country, who happen to be incredibly wealthy, getting their reputation smeared worldwide if the level of punishment people expect goes through, sadly that's why many assume nothing material will happen.
The thing I still find incredible on the CAS trial is the way it works is so easy to manipulate. Each side picks one panel member (so obviously each side then guarantees 1 vote each) and therefore the 3rd member is basically the decision maker. Yet City were allowed to recommend McDougall, who literally has a client list of gov backed UAE companies, as the impartial 3rd. It's not even sophisticated corruption, they just assume no one will do anything about it.
That letter says that Redbird IMI is majorly funded by City's owner Shiekh Mansoor, isnt there a massive conflict of interest there since Redbird IMI apparently own 11% of Liverpools owners FSG?
Redbird IMI is technically separate from Redbird Capital Partners. This is one of the reasons I’m not sure you can ever really stop this kind of thing, but you can mitigate it.
While I understand the skepticism on whether city will actually be punished, citing CAS decision to fuel this doubt is completely misplaced. City were not vindicated, as they celebrated, during the CAS appeal. They won a technicality and a limitation period on newly found evidence, which they had been withholding from UEFA throughout the process. The CAS rules of procedure gave city a great escape. Thankfully those same timelines and limitations don’t apply to the premier league investigation, which is why city were using the courts to block the evidence. It didn’t work. The city hearing will take longer based on the number of charges but it doesn’t mean they’ll escape a significant and damaging punishment.
To the Premier League (in the form of an appeal board).
If Everton are owned by a middle eastern state then they would not be punished, that is very obvious if compared so far to Manchester City, the game has completely gone, corruption, deception, and that's before we even get to the thing called VAR, there's no integrity in football anymore and it's all becoming just one great big turn off.
That's interesting - how does that board ensure independence from the initial decision? Do you know the composition of it?
It's pure curiosity, just trying to understand the intricacies of the legal proceedings.
Well, the commission is supposedly independent (of the PL and its members). I imagine this appeal board is something similar, i.e. appointed by the PL but independent of any of its members.
Basically, one panel reviewing the ruling of another panel?
I'd imagine it will take quite a bit to overturn the initial ruling, though.
Makes sense - thanks
I think this why the fine for Everton is set so high - It will probably end up going to CAS for a ruling - Premier league will say X million is fair punishment...City say Zero fine is correct amount.....CAS go for a figure somewhere around the middle so long as some sort of due process has been followed.
I was under the impression the EPL decisions are not open for a CAS appeal? Something like all clubs in the league having signed, as part of their license to operate within the EPL, an agreement that any appeal process can only be handled in-house but just with different people named in the 'panel' than on the original verdict.
I could be totally wrong but I remember reading something along those lines earlier this year when City's 115 charges were brought up by the PL.
Not sure CAS gets involved for PL only punishments
Can't go to CAS.
It can't go to CAS. Appeals go to another independent panel chosen by PL but can't go beyond that.
Just had a thought, Everton immediately getting docked points without appeal proves City can’t drag out a guilty verdict for years to avoid punishment right?
The punishment is only half the issue, more important than that is what will be done to stop them continuing in this vein
I imagine they'll get a massive point deduction say 50+ but even with that there's a good chance they stay up and it'll be business as usual next season.
They need to be subject to ongoing independent audits for a prolonged period of time to ensure this is brought under control. Otherwise as many have pointed out it would've all been worth it anyway. They'd snap your hands off for 2 middling seasons in exchange for everything they've gained from this and will almost certainly return too soon enough
I imagine they'll get a massive
point deduction say 50+ but even with that there's a good chance they stay up and it'll be business as usual next season.They need to be subject to ongoing independent audits for a prolonged period of time to ensure this is brought under control. Otherwise as many have pointed out it would've all been worth it anyway. They'd snap your hands off for 2 middling seasons in exchange for everything they've gained from this and will almost certainly return too soon enough
Everton's heard at a 5 day hearing in front of the members of an Independant Commission Panel that was appointed by the independent Chair of the Premier League Judicial Panel, in accordance with Premier League Rules W.19, W.20 and W.26.
If Everton appeal within the allowed ammount of time (14 days) the independent Chair of the Premier League Judicial Panel will select a new Independant commision who will setup a new Panel that will review the appeal and decide if the punishment should be reduced or changed to a fine or embargo.
It's an admission of guilt. You couldn't refuse a breathalyser test if you've been pulled over.
They have to be relegated.
A points deduction doesn't touch the charges City face.
They should be looking at:
They should be looking at:
- Forced ownership change
- Stripped of titles
- Expulsion from the league
- Huge fines
- Multi-year transfer ban
We can only hope I hope every club (not only in England) that feels robbed by their cheating sues the feck out of them, ties them up in the courts for years and takes their owners to the cleaners.
Refusing a breathalyzer test is an admission of guilt because it's been deemed as such by many laws.
It is negligence on the PL's part to not mandate compliance with all requests for information.
It's moronic that the appeal commission is set by the PL. I think the independent observer will take care of this, and become the court of final appeal.
Doesn't FIFA have very strict rules regarding governments interfering with national football associations?
If they do get involved England could be banned from International football.
It won’t be done on the books I’m sure.
A minister will sort it out with the PL chairman on the 19th hole over brandy and cigars…
If man City and Chelsea get off Scott free and by Scott free I mean a easily payable heavy fine and a silly points deduction, then it will be pointless following the premier league as it will be clearly massively corrupt and lose all credibility as a league
Am i right in thinking that everything post 2018 is ok for City and that it's just the 'creative accounting' before that that enabled them to get where they are that's the serious issue here?