Film Christopher Nolan's 'Oppenheimer'

One thing that I wish they'd included was
the impact the test bomb in New Mexico would have had on residents and those nearby. It's a story left untold even though I understand the movie is all about Oppenheimer.

I dont know about New Mexico, but I do know about St George in Utah. Basically, everyone got cancer.

At the time the government told everyone that it was totally safe. From 1951 to 1962 the AEC detonated more than 100 bombs that send massive amounts of radioactive dust across the valleys and canyons of southern Utah and norther Arizona. Families would gather at vantage points and watch like it was a fireworks display. Then they'd drive home as the ash fell all over their communities.

In 1953 the AEC dropped a 51 kiloton bomb and a 32 kiloton bomb in the area. It coated St George and other towns in grey ash. Thousands of sheep died soon after but the AEC blamed that on cold weather.

It was a year after this that a movie crew turned up to shoot The Conqueror. That movie you've never seen, but will have heard of because Wayne tries to pass as Asian. And it's as racist looking as it sounds. Theres a picture of Wayne and his sons holding a Geiger counter and apparently the thing was going bat shit. Wayne thought it was broken and slapped it a few times. Howard Huges would later scoop up a lot of soil and take it back to hollywood for reshoots.

Over a hundred thousand people in the area have been affected by the fallout. The Government denied anything was wrong. That the tests hadn't caused any of the issues. But the reality was actually that all that ash, all that fallout, the radioactivity everything. It was everywhere. It was in the air, it was in their food, it was in their water. A study done in 1984 showed that lukemia levels were 5 times higher in the area than anywhere else in the world. And the finding was even more outrageous, because the people there were all mormons. They didn't drink or smoke, at leas not like everywhere else in America.

During the 1980s, lawsuits started and the government denials of any issues or links came crashing down when AEC reports came to light that showed that they had known all along about the cause and the effect. They had downplayed and distorted the facts for decades. In 1990 Congress passed the Radiation Exposure Compensation Act. A fund that was set up for "downwinders" as they called themselves, who got cancer or any serious illness that was linked to above ground testing. The compensation was capped at 50k per person and only includes the first generation of those exposed. Their kids and grandkids are shit out of luck. The fund as dished out over 2 billion dollars since 1990. Theres a clinic in St George that averages 140 new cancer patients every year.

And the worst thing about all of this, is that it only every comes up when people google "how did John Wayne die?".

Since 1945 the US has conducted over 1000 tests. The last was in 1992. The peak was in 1962 when the tested 96 bombs in a single year.

This is part of Oppenheimer's legacy. Of course, if it wasn't him, it would have been someone else. So he shouldn't have felt too bad about it.
 
Important story to tell & it was done wonderfully.

Nice! I now have to wait for the first weekend of August to join in on the fun. Thankfully it’s not one of those films where not have to really worry about spoilers, unless he secretly went all Tarantino in the last 30 minutes.
 
I dont know about New Mexico, but I do know about St George in Utah. Basically, everyone got cancer.

At the time the government told everyone that it was totally safe. From 1951 to 1962 the AEC detonated more than 100 bombs that send massive amounts of radioactive dust across the valleys and canyons of southern Utah and norther Arizona. Families would gather at vantage points and watch like it was a fireworks display. Then they'd drive home as the ash fell all over their communities.

In 1953 the AEC dropped a 51 kiloton bomb and a 32 kiloton bomb in the area. It coated St George and other towns in grey ash. Thousands of sheep died soon after but the AEC blamed that on cold weather.

It was a year after this that a movie crew turned up to shoot The Conqueror. That movie you've never seen, but will have heard of because Wayne tries to pass as Asian. And it's as racist looking as it sounds. Theres a picture of Wayne and his sons holding a Geiger counter and apparently the thing was going bat shit. Wayne thought it was broken and slapped it a few times. Howard Huges would later scoop up a lot of soil and take it back to hollywood for reshoots.

Over a hundred thousand people in the area have been affected by the fallout. The Government denied anything was wrong. That the tests hadn't caused any of the issues. But the reality was actually that all that ash, all that fallout, the radioactivity everything. It was everywhere. It was in the air, it was in their food, it was in their water. A study done in 1984 showed that lukemia levels were 5 times higher in the area than anywhere else in the world. And the finding was even more outrageous, because the people there were all mormons. They didn't drink or smoke, at leas not like everywhere else in America.

During the 1980s, lawsuits started and the government denials of any issues or links came crashing down when AEC reports came to light that showed that they had known all along about the cause and the effect. They had downplayed and distorted the facts for decades. In 1990 Congress passed the Radiation Exposure Compensation Act. A fund that was set up for "downwinders" as they called themselves, who got cancer or any serious illness that was linked to above ground testing. The compensation was capped at 50k per person and only includes the first generation of those exposed. Their kids and grandkids are shit out of luck. The fund as dished out over 2 billion dollars since 1990. Theres a clinic in St George that averages 140 new cancer patients every year.

And the worst thing about all of this, is that it only every comes up when people google "how did John Wayne die?".

Since 1945 the US has conducted over 1000 tests. The last was in 1992. The peak was in 1962 when the tested 96 bombs in a single year.

This is part of Oppenheimer's legacy. Of course, if it wasn't him, it would have been someone else. So he shouldn't have felt too bad about it.

I knew some of this but this was a really good write up, interesting post!
 
Just got back and loved it. I may be the exact target audience since I'm Gen X, remember what nuclear drills in school were like, had a father and uncle's that were in WWII, and am fascinated with history and physics. I'm going to read the book @Shakesy has been hyping a while now. Cillian deserves an Oscar for that performance and there a lot of great scenes that highlight a ton of important themes.


Important is a weird thing to call a film.

I believe it could be the most important film of the century. Certainly one of, if not the. Mostly because I feel Gen Z and youngest millennials don't, for the most part, have knowledge of this era and the importance of the themes here. Obviously history majors and buffs will but the average GenZ that spends hours a day on social media won't and definitely this movie can spur deeper thought and conversation. I saw a group of teenage girls walk out of the movie that I would have pegged for watching Barbie but they were talking the "father of the atomic bomb". It was pretty cool to hear.
 
I saw a group of teenage girls walk out of the movie that I would have pegged for watching Barbie but they were talking

No pedofile or rape jokes, should go without saying but I know what some of you are like.
 
Just got back and loved it. I may be the exact target audience since I'm Gen X, remember what nuclear drills in school were like, had a father and uncle's that were in WWII, and am fascinated with history and physics. I'm going to read the book @Shakesy has been hyping a while now. Cillian deserves an Oscar for that performance and there a lot of great scenes that highlight a ton of important themes.




I believe it could be the most important film of the century. Certainly one of, if not the. Mostly because I feel Gen Z and youngest millennials don't, for the most part, have knowledge of this era and the importance of the themes here. Obviously history majors and buffs will but the average GenZ that spends hours a day on social media won't and definitely this movie can spur deeper thought and conversation. I saw a group of teenage girls walk out of the movie that I would have pegged for watching Barbie but they were talking the "father of the atomic bomb". It was pretty cool to hear.
Great!

You won't regret it!
 
I dont know about New Mexico, but I do know about St George in Utah. Basically, everyone got cancer.

At the time the government told everyone that it was totally safe. From 1951 to 1962 the AEC detonated more than 100 bombs that send massive amounts of radioactive dust across the valleys and canyons of southern Utah and norther Arizona. Families would gather at vantage points and watch like it was a fireworks display. Then they'd drive home as the ash fell all over their communities.

In 1953 the AEC dropped a 51 kiloton bomb and a 32 kiloton bomb in the area. It coated St George and other towns in grey ash. Thousands of sheep died soon after but the AEC blamed that on cold weather.

It was a year after this that a movie crew turned up to shoot The Conqueror. That movie you've never seen, but will have heard of because Wayne tries to pass as Asian. And it's as racist looking as it sounds. Theres a picture of Wayne and his sons holding a Geiger counter and apparently the thing was going bat shit. Wayne thought it was broken and slapped it a few times. Howard Huges would later scoop up a lot of soil and take it back to hollywood for reshoots.

Over a hundred thousand people in the area have been affected by the fallout. The Government denied anything was wrong. That the tests hadn't caused any of the issues. But the reality was actually that all that ash, all that fallout, the radioactivity everything. It was everywhere. It was in the air, it was in their food, it was in their water. A study done in 1984 showed that lukemia levels were 5 times higher in the area than anywhere else in the world. And the finding was even more outrageous, because the people there were all mormons. They didn't drink or smoke, at leas not like everywhere else in America.

During the 1980s, lawsuits started and the government denials of any issues or links came crashing down when AEC reports came to light that showed that they had known all along about the cause and the effect. They had downplayed and distorted the facts for decades. In 1990 Congress passed the Radiation Exposure Compensation Act. A fund that was set up for "downwinders" as they called themselves, who got cancer or any serious illness that was linked to above ground testing. The compensation was capped at 50k per person and only includes the first generation of those exposed. Their kids and grandkids are shit out of luck. The fund as dished out over 2 billion dollars since 1990. Theres a clinic in St George that averages 140 new cancer patients every year.

And the worst thing about all of this, is that it only every comes up when people google "how did John Wayne die?".

Since 1945 the US has conducted over 1000 tests. The last was in 1992. The peak was in 1962 when the tested 96 bombs in a single year.

This is part of Oppenheimer's legacy. Of course, if it wasn't him, it would have been someone else. So he shouldn't have felt too bad about it.
Thank you for this post! I did read up a fair bit about some of the stuff you've mentioned as there are several threads on Twitter also floating around which are rather critical of the whitewashing/glorifying of Oppenheimer.
Again, I understand that this movie was about Oppenheimer and lesser about the impact of the bombs/testing/the entire process on everyone else but I do wish they'd found a way to speak about it. In the movie, they made it look like the testing site in New Mexico was some completely uninhabited spot in the middle of nowhere and they paid no attention to the impact it would have.
 
Inferior to other biopics like Malcolm X (1992), Schindlers List (1993), Gandhi (1982), The Insider (1999), The Pianist (2002), JFK (1991), Hotel Rwanda (2004).

Don't be mad, Nolan fans.
 
Since 1945 the US has conducted over 1000 tests. The last was in 1992. The peak was in 1962 when the tested 96 bombs in a single year.

This is part of Oppenheimer's legacy. Of course, if it wasn't him, it would have been someone else. So he shouldn't have felt too bad about it.

Just came back from the movie, and have to say it does show well Oppenheimer's struggle between pursuing personal (academic?) glory and dreading the impact his work would have.


Just this may, was vacationing in Japan and visited the Hiroshima peace memorial and museum. Its a terrible and gut wrenching experience. And thus, just couldnt feel any empathy towards the character.
Maybe he realised his mistake, or felt guilty for the 'chain-reaction' he started; but still doesn't absolve him.
 
I saw your review on the last page and found it interesting, is there anything you would have done differently when covering/depicting the source material?
I'd make the timeline linear first of all. Never been a fan of these movies where the timeline isn't linear. I just prefer the movie to be chronological.

2nd, I thought the dialogue was a bit cringe/cheesy here and there. It's a pretty serious subject so why make the writing unnecessarily silly?

I also wouldn't have dedicated so much screentime to RDJ's character hearing. Why was that such a major part of the movie?

One of the stronger moments in the movie is where Opppenheimer has these hallucinations of Japanese victims. I think I would have preferred a Hiroshima bombing scene and put the full horror of the aftermath at display for the audience. That would enhance the other scenes where Oppenheimer struggles with the morality of it all.

I also felt the test explosion didn't capture the scale of an atomic bomb explosion. I think that moment could have been much more hard-hitting than it was. Waste of what should have been a proper IMAX experience.

Also found the orchestra-esque soundtrack rather annoying.

Just some quick thoughts. All in all, I just think the movie didn't capture the gravity and seriousness of the subject material.
 
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I really, really liked the movie, would rate it 9/10.

However, did anyone else feel that the non-linear story telling and the color/bw switches didnt add anything to the movie?
There was no big plot twist that wouldnt have worked with a linear story.

I was also confused by the color/bw switches. First i thought color=before the bomb, bw=after the bomb. But that wasnt the case.
But it was still a "time Split" and the bw scenes were really late in the timeline right?

Did i miss anything?
Do you think the movie was better in this non-linear way?
 
I'd make the timeline linear first of all. Never been a fan of these movies where the timeline isn't linear. I just prefer the movie to be chronological.

2nd, I thought the dialogue was a bit cringe/cheesy here and there. It's a pretty serious subject so why make the writing unnecessarily silly?

I also wouldn't have dedicated so much screentime to RDJ's character hearing. Why was that such a major part of the movie?

One of the stronger moments in the movie is where Opppenheimer has these hallucinations of Japanese victims. I think I would have preferred a Hiroshima bombing scene and put the full horror of the aftermath at display for the audience. That would enhance the other scenes where Oppenheimer struggles with the morality of it all.

I also felt the test explosion didn't capture the scale of an atomic bomb explosion. I think that moment could have been much more hard-hitting than it was. Waste of what should have been a proper IMAX experience.

Also found the orchestra-esque soundtrack rather annoying.

Just some quick thoughts. All in all, I just think the movie didn't capture the gravity and seriousness of the subject material.
This is a good post.

I thought the detonation was showcased very well. It was a small nuke (compared to its immediate successors), so there wasn’t going to be a massive, in your face fireball from three to twenty miles away. There was a good amount of illumination tbf. Where I thought they got it spot on was the shockwave. It was obvious that none of them were expecting such a force & sound to envelop them. That in & of itself signaled how much stronger the A bombs were than their conventional predecessors.
 
Good movie. Will probably re-watch it couple of times on TV on future. That's about it. I do agree that Oppo's arc with RDJ's character seemed non important to me. Just a reason to add some drama I guess.
 
Good movie. Will probably re-watch it couple of times on TV on future. That's about it. I do agree that Oppo's arc with RDJ's character seemed non important to me. Just a reason to add some drama I guess.
RDJ's character was basically Oppo's nemesis in real life.

Section regarding the two of them in the 'Career' tab...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Strauss
 
I really, really liked the movie, would rate it 9/10.

However, did anyone else feel that the non-linear story telling and the color/bw switches didnt add anything to the movie?
There was no big plot twist that wouldnt have worked with a linear story.

I was also confused by the color/bw switches. First i thought color=before the bomb, bw=after the bomb. But that wasnt the case.
But it was still a "time Split" and the bw scenes were really late in the timeline right?

Did i miss anything?
Do you think the movie was better in this non-linear way?

I liked it a lot and I also appreciated it started in black and white scenes to really signify that wasn't happening at the same time.
RDJ's character was basically Oppo's nemesis in real life.

Section regarding the two of them in the 'Career' tab...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Strauss

Yes, exactly. I would have dedicated a little more screen time to that rivalry as it was crucial to Oppenheimer's life and relevant to that historical period. I thought that part after the bombing test was outstanding and a fascinating peek into how US government operated at the time.
 
Inferior to other biopics like Malcolm X (1992), Schindlers List (1993), Gandhi (1982), The Insider (1999), The Pianist (2002), JFK (1991), Hotel Rwanda (2004).

Don't be mad, Nolan fans.
I was thinking about Schindler's List while watching it and thought it was at least on par in terms of having really powerful acting performances and screenplay.
 
I was thinking about Schindler's List while watching it and thought it was at least on par in terms of having really powerful acting performances and screenplay.
For real? Schinder's List is miles ahead of Oppenheimer. But you can tell from my posts here that I don't rate Oppenheimer highly. :nervous:
 
For real? Schinder's List is miles ahead of Oppenheimer. But you can tell from my posts here that I don't rate Oppenheimer highly. :nervous:
I haven't read your other posts. Schindler's List is one my favourite movies and I had a similar experience with Oppenheimer.
 
I haven't read your other posts. Schindler's List is one my favourite movies and I had a similar experience with Oppenheimer.

You're not missing much :p
 
Really nice movie although I do think you could cut 20 minutes and it'll still be as good. Cilian Murphy puts in a fantastic performance and the classic Nolan mastery of sound, visuals and pacing is everpresent. Well worth the watch.
 
Thank you for this post! I did read up a fair bit about some of the stuff you've mentioned as there are several threads on Twitter also floating around which are rather critical of the whitewashing/glorifying of Oppenheimer.
Again, I understand that this movie was about Oppenheimer and lesser about the impact of the bombs/testing/the entire process on everyone else but I do wish they'd found a way to speak about it. In the movie, they made it look like the testing site in New Mexico was some completely uninhabited spot in the middle of nowhere and they paid no attention to the impact it would have.

re spoiler: sounds about what I‘d expect from a Nolan movie.


Great post @Norman Brownbutter !
 
A few people laughed. A few people cried (probably?). Most were noisily disposing of popcorn. I remember the line from the guy in the urinal next to me who must also be from the Caf: "Movies these days have pacing problems."

8/10
 
I'd make the timeline linear first of all. Never been a fan of these movies where the timeline isn't linear. I just prefer the movie to be chronological.

2nd, I thought the dialogue was a bit cringe/cheesy here and there. It's a pretty serious subject so why make the writing unnecessarily silly?

I also wouldn't have dedicated so much screentime to RDJ's character hearing. Why was that such a major part of the movie?

One of the stronger moments in the movie is where Opppenheimer has these hallucinations of Japanese victims. I think I would have preferred a Hiroshima bombing scene and put the full horror of the aftermath at display for the audience. That would enhance the other scenes where Oppenheimer struggles with the morality of it all.

I also felt the test explosion didn't capture the scale of an atomic bomb explosion. I think that moment could have been much more hard-hitting than it was. Waste of what should have been a proper IMAX experience.

Also found the orchestra-esque soundtrack rather annoying.

Just some quick thoughts. All in all, I just think the movie didn't capture the gravity and seriousness of the subject material.

Cheers for the reply!
 
Worth imax? My closest is two hours away and it’s basically fully booked apart from the shit seats. Should I wait or just watch it at my local cinema?
 
Really good movie. Murphy does the best death stare in Hollywood. Just pulls off those guilt lifeless eyes of all the chaos he’s caused. The nuke scene was done brilliantly.

my only gripe with it is when
They were showing the pictures of the nuke victims and we really don’t see any of them ourselves. It seems like they pussied out showing the damage they’ve done to innocent peoples and what it does.
To them. Plus Him looking away as they talk about it, not seeing what kind of hell he’s created for those people.
 
Really good movie. Murphy does the best death stare in Hollywood. Just pulls off those guilt lifeless eyes of all the chaos he’s caused. The nuke scene was done brilliantly.

my only gripe with it is when
They were showing the pictures of the nuke victims and we really don’t see any of them ourselves. It seems like they pussied out showing the damage they’ve done to innocent peoples and what it does.
To them. Plus Him looking away as they talk about it, not seeing what kind of hell he’s created for those people.
Yeah that wondered me aswell. It would absolutely have fitted the tone of the movie if they had shown these pictures.
Does anybody know (maybe from a Interview?) if there was a reason they didnt show them?
 
I really, really liked the movie, would rate it 9/10.

However, did anyone else feel that the non-linear story telling and the color/bw switches didnt add anything to the movie?
There was no big plot twist that wouldnt have worked with a linear story.

I was also confused by the color/bw switches. First i thought color=before the bomb, bw=after the bomb. But that wasnt the case.
But it was still a "time Split" and the bw scenes were really late in the timeline right?

Did i miss anything?
Do you think the movie was better in this non-linear way?

I think the b&w scenes are Strauss's Pov/narration.
And the color scenes are Oppenheimers'

Case in point the pond scene with Einstein and Oppenheimer.
Only when we see the actual conversation between the two is the scene in color. Rest of the times - which are are all Strauss's Pov - that is in b&w
 
RDJ's character was basically Oppo's nemesis in real life.

Section regarding the two of them in the 'Career' tab...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Strauss

To me it just did not seem to carry the same weight as the bomb and its implications on the world. I also believe Nolan wanting to have some kind of "reveal" for this info actually made it worse. It would have carried much more weight if the opening itself had established the stakes between the two. Still trying to have someone denied a cabinet position as one of the cornerstones of the conclusion was a bit of nothing-burger for me.
 
Worth IMAX. Seating is somewhat key.

I will be the dissenter and say that non-Imax is also fine for what is mostly a drama movie. Bomb sequence isn't that lengthy and as long as the cinema has good sound system to amplify the awesome soundtrack and sound effects, it should be fine.
 
I liked it a lot and I also appreciated it started in black and white scenes to really signify that wasn't happening at the same time.

I read that the colour scenes were from Oppenheimer's subjective viewpoint and the rest general storytelling.
 
Complaining about the non-linear storytelling in Nolan's work is similar to getting out of a Tarantino film wishing that suspense hadn't depended so much on violence. Nolan wants to be in total control of the narrative. He tells a story on his own terms, it's his thing. Anyway, i'm crossing my fingers and i hope this one's as good as people on here claim it is because his latest work gives the impression that his peak is behind him.
 
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