I'm pretty sure 2'nd goal was a long ball from the back from toby alderweireld..
edit: never mind that was for his goal
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I'm pretty sure 2'nd goal was a long ball from the back from toby alderweireld..
edit: never mind that was for his goal
Good lad.
You never know what will happen. Look at Suarez. He said around November if he leaves Ajax, he will only move to two teams - Man Utd or Barcelona and where did he end up at?
Considering Barca have insane playmakers then this chap might just have to settle for somewhere else. Maybe Barca are printing this article though so to decieve other clubs into believing this so that no one else goes in for him come the summer! He looks like he ws born to play for United and I would love if he came here but unlikely yes!
From soccernet.com
Thought this was a bit interesting. Makes sense about the club not caring about the players who don't make the first team. It's a harsh reality in England but I don't think it's like that exclusively there. Depends on clubs. I know my own club back in Iceland are horrible in dealing with youngster. The connection between the first team and youth team is slim to none.
Seems to be though, and it's pretty obvious anyways, that the clubs that tend to their youths the most reap the most benefits. Even though the players don't make the first team, at least they're still motivated to go on somewhere else and the club get a decent amount of money from bringing them up right instead of it all going to waste.
Though it was great as well that Chelsea turned him down because of his physique. Epitome of English youth mentality. Hardly progressive and smart thinking there.
Thought this was a bit interesting. Makes sense about the club not caring about the players who don't make the first team. It's a harsh reality in England but I don't think it's like that exclusively there. Depends on clubs. I know my own club back in Iceland are horrible in dealing with youngster. The connection between the first team and youth team is slim to none.
Seems to be though, and it's pretty obvious anyways, that the clubs that tend to their youths the most reap the most benefits. Even though the players don't make the first team, at least they're still motivated to go on somewhere else and the club get a decent amount of money from bringing them up right instead of it all going to waste.
Though it was great as well that Chelsea turned him down because of his physique. Epitome of English youth mentality. Hardly progressive and smart thinking there.
I'm pretty sure we often go above and beyond to make sure those players that don't make it here find another club if need be
I'll tell you one thing, those blokes that run professional academies are absolute cnuts if you're not the best player there.
Every club is the same - football is big business and each club wants to sign teh best young players. Not all make the grade, some would probably be better off staying with smaller clubs - but then again, some might benefit from the better facilities and coaching.
What he ignores though is the fact that it cust both ways. In the past young players had to do soemthing to earn a decent contract - now its handed to them on a plate the minute they look like they might be a decent player. Earlier this year Kukuta was handed a deal at Cheslea worth £30k a week, Ballotelli has done nothing yet earns multi millions.
Wonder if Eriksen senior would be so pleased about turning down Chelsea had his son ended up playing second division in Denmark on a couple of hundered quid a week? Its easy to be wise after the event.
Its also easy to criticise Chelsea for turning down a player they deemed "to weak". There's room in football for all types of players somewhere but you have to cut your cloth to suit. It doesn't take a genius to work out that certain players will be better suited to english football than others, and its very difficult to see what a player might become both physically and mentally.
May be the case that they didn't think he was good enough generally.
The vast majority seem to stay in the game at a decent level. Credit to the club and its set up.
Don't think you see the point here.
First of all, it's obvious the Christian Eriksen is not gonna end up playing anywhere but at top level. He's already capped for Denmark. He's not some FM wonderboy from a third world country or anything. His passport checks out.
Second, Kakuta's wages aren't the norm. There are very few clubs who pay that kind of money. United doesn't do it, Arsenal don't and Liverpool don't. Real or Barca don't. Not for unproven teenagers. So it doesn't work both ways. It's not about the money ffs. No kid dreams about being a footballer mainly because of the money. It's about being as good as you can be a wind stuff to have something to show for.
I'm also not critizising Chelsea solely for this "deeming the player to be weak". It's not like they saw him this once and decided so. They wanted him for a third trial but Eriksen rejected. It's also not just England. Happened a lot on Italy as well. A player to small that he doesn't get a break. It's rubbish to see things that way.
The twins, Hernandez, Tevez, Silva, Scholes, Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, Barcelona, Casillas. They're too small now aren't they?
Hmm...who's been struggling with the physicality of the league. Chamakh, Kanoute did, Dzeko is finding it difficult to cope. How tall and strong are these players in comparison.
It's just such nonsense of a reason to snub a player. It's the easiest thing to improve in a footballer. His strength. Every single human in the world who is able bodied can do that, never mind with a team of professionals handling you.
What were Ronaldo and Nani like when they got here? Or Rafael? Or Obertan? Didn't take long did it, for them to bulk up.
It's the mentality of old coaches. You know you have a problem with youth coaching in England. It's obvious. It's the number one sport, you're a big country with a big population. Yet the producing of world class talent is at a minimum. How many wingers and full backs are any good or have been for the last 20 years? How many strikers? How many goal keepers? It's only CB and MC you can breed. And the fact's speak for themselves.
Arsenal, Man United, West Ham and Aston Villa all seem to produce decent talent and take care of their young. Southampton has had some as well. But that's a great minority. Lot of old outdated mentality everywhere and that's coming from a father who's witnessing how it's done in the best academy in the world. Comparing Chelsea to that no wonder he's not impressed with the behavior.
Good post!
Too many clubs don't realize the effort needed from their side. Whether it's a decent or a great talent in question it all depends on the work, the club puts in
Well said.
Professional ranks. There are loads of ex United players knocking about in England and further afield. Don't have any stats but I'd hazard that there are more United players about than ex pro's from other clubs.
Yes but that's a rare case for a team, far from the majority. There are about 15 players I reckon in the PL playing for other teams than United who learned their traits there. Similar level in the Championship plus the ones that are still playing for United.
Look at those figures for Tottenham, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City, Everton. How many players grew up there and are playing in the PL with other teams? Arsenal and Man Utd are pretty much the only two teams in the top who has these stats. West Ham have a great academy and Villa have a good one too.
Where'as in Spain you have Madrid and Barcelona basically feeding other teams of players. Of course they are easier to get in Spain but those two academies are better than ours I suffice to say. Athletic Bilbao raise their own and have done so since they started out with little outside help.
But like I've said so before. I forget the number but in England there is a handful of people who have the top UEFA coaching badges and are developing youth. In Spain there is about 300% more, or over 600 people who have these badges and are developing youth. The difference is staggering. I think in a few years, Iceland will have more trainers training the youth then there are in England.
I'm not suggesting he will - the point I was making was that at the time (before he was an established international, and regular for Ajax) he was far from the finished article. Its easy for Eriksen Snr to talk about how he turned Chelsea down years ago now he's established - if he hadn't made the grade do you think he'd have regretted not taking him back for another trial?
You say the likes of Kukuta are not the norm. I think thats naive - may not be the case at all clubs but its an increasing trend - hence why Chelsea have this week signed some kid from Brazil and are paying him (reportedly) a million euros, attracting criticism from the likes of Juve who were seemingly out flanked by Chelsea financially.
The fact that the Eriksen's dad is talking about how he turned Chelsea down tells you all you need to know - young lads driven by parents and more often agents, a lot of whom will park them at the biggest paying club - regardless of whether its best for their development.
Clearly Chelsea not signing this kid was a mistake, but this highlights the point I'm making, namely that its not an exact science
The point I'm making is that developing top players is not an exact science, and that this is more complex that suggesting its down to "old coaches" especially when you consider that there are probably more foreign managers in the PL than any other top league.
Clearly there is an issue and it needs to be addressed from the bottom up - I'm not suggesting otherwise, but to put it down to failure to accept the smaller player simplifys matters a bit.
Precisely what I was trying to say - I was referring to United specifically.
Barca have a great youth set up, best in the world probably. Not sure about Madrid - how many youth team players regularly play in their first team?
Madrid have a lot of players on a buyback clause. Their numbers is similar to ours. With Giggs and Scholes retiring, how many have we got left?
Casillas is ever present. Raúl and Guti just left. Granero is their product. So is Arbeloa (sort of). Adan is their number 2 goalie. Then they have more first teamers in other teams then I know of. Soldado, Negredo and Mata for example. Javi Garcia who plays for Benfica. That's just of the top of my head. But these are 10 players who are currently playing football at high level, 6 of them capped for Spain. Not bad.
Casillas is ever present. Raúl and Guti just left. Granero is their product. So is Arbeloa (sort of). Adan is their number 2 goalie. Then they have more first teamers in other teams then I know of. Soldado, Negredo and Mata for example. Javi Garcia who plays for Benfica. That's just of the top of my head. But these are 10 players who are currently playing football at high level, 6 of them capped for Spain. Not bad.
But not many who actually play regularly for Madrid anymore - they've spent fortunes on key players from abroad in the last couple of years. A lot of players are "bought back" then sold on at a proft - not a bad way of doing business I suppose.
No doubt both they and Barca have an advantage over other clubs in la liga as it seems that they get the pick of which players they want and the other teams divide up the rest - not the case in England with limitations on geographical areas in which clubs can sign young players as well as the fact that there are five or six top clubs in for players from a young age.
I had a tour & training session at carrington a few years ago and they claimed that over 75% of kids who ever join our academy go on to play professional.
Yea but League 2 is professional. Hell, A third of the players in the Pepsi League (Icelandic top division) do it professionally and many on great wages with car benefits. The foreigners get a house as well.
If you have the will to stay in the game and the body to go with it then you'll make it professionally.
Hell if I had both, my knee is ruined, I'm sure that I'd make a League 1 level with my abilities. And I was like the third best in my year in my team. So 75% is to be expected from an academy like the on Man Utd have.
I'm not even sure what you're arguing anymore. Or if you're even arguing. Because you've gone from saying top clubs don't care about most of their youth, to pointing out the bleeding obvious. What does the fact a lot of youth players end up playing their trade in the lower leagues matter? It's not the top clubs fault.
With respect, and I don't know your background, it seems obvious to me that you seriously underestimate the standard of professional football in England.
For example. I follow Hartlepool United and we have an Icelandic international forward who is, quite frankly one of the worst players I've ever seen play for pools. He's 6 ft 6" and is petrified of the physical contact at that level, let alone being miles off the pace of the game. He's got caps at centre forward and I think also at Centre Half. Is only still here because he (for some unknown reason) got a 2 year deal and has been on a lot of occaisions overlooked for an ex semi-pro player from Ireland.
My brother plays semi pro and gets a few quid a week, he was on trial at Hartlepool for a while when he was younger but simply wasn't good enough. I've played against lads at a younger age and seen kids play alongside our kid who I was sure would make it. Only one did, he plays in the PL but not very often. The others got released at 18 and play at a good standard locally.
Fair play if you think you could have made it as a pro. A lot of people think that - every other person reckons "they had trials" for whoever, the vast majority are very wrong indeed.
If 75% of players make it professionally from United's youth team I'd be surprised if there was a better record in the PL.
Because it's about how many top players the teams are producing. Not footballers. How many quality players are these team producing. Every team is producing players for the lower leagues. That's obvious. The lower leagues are still pro's. That's why that 75% figure doesn't matter.
I was solely listing players that are good enough to make the squad they're brought up in.
I also brought in a point that England sucks when it comes to youth development compared to the other big European countries but that was just a sidetrack from the main point.
I know Ármann Smári. Didn't rate him when he played here. Have no idea why's he being stuck up front. Maybe it's because of his height and Iceland has rarely produces any forwards. It's the biggest problem still in the league, getting good forwards.
Getting friendly caps is also meaningless here because we usually have managers who have no idea what's going on with players playing abroad. We have probably around 60 players playing abroad but still always 4-5 from the national league making the team.
Like I said, I had the skills to go pro at that level. No doubt. I ran the 100m fast and was a good crosser. Also took corner kick decently. I also had for 3 years a way to overqualified coach. The one like I said England doesn't have training youths. He really made a crap team a good one by molding us tactically. So I was really aware of my defensive responsibilities. Who knows what would've happened if I didn't start missing out of 3 months of football due to injury from the age of 13. Fact is, I had all the abilities needed to make it a League 2 level at least as a good right midfielder. But I didn't have the legs for it.
The main thing you have to have to go pro is not to quit. Always train hard. Simple as that. Of course a bit of talent as well.
About Ármann Smári. I have no idea how he did at Brann. Hartlepool is not a step up from Brann at least. Maybe he doesn't have the head in the game anymore. It's real easy to get disillusioned and lose focus. Especially if you're not playing regularly or always being moved around on the pitch.
By initial points though still stands. The main thing that screws up a youth development, besides from those who wouldn't make it anyway because of their head or injuries, is the combination of coach and club. Not giving a feck or not motivating or not give a chance. That's exactly what I've seen happen over and over again at my club. Whilst Breiðablik, a team with the best youth development for 10-15 years now, won their first title ever last season with a team where at least 5 starters were under the age of 20.
They even snapped up a former team mate of mine who's the biggest talent to have come through the club, and that's including Heiðar Helguson of QPR.
Bit of a rant here. Sorry for that. Mention Iceland and I write a paper on it. I hope my message is still clear amongst all the Iceland talk in there though.
I don't know you, maybe you are as good as you say, but I was trying to be polite.
A lot of people think they could play professional football. The fact is that the vast majority have neither the talent nor the physical ability to do so. Everyone knows people who could have done this and that if they hadn't had an injury - its the oldest story in the book. There will be a thousand on here spouting the same.
In other countries the lower leagues may be very poor. In my opinion thats not the case in England where nearly all clubs have been fully professional for over a hundred years. For example I know a lad who's played professionally in swedish lower dvisions for the past couple of years - he's a young lad, fit and a decent player, but no more. He'd have no more chance of playing professionaly than I have because he is simply not good enough - he admits himself that even as a young player on trial at Pools the game passed him by.
The pace, even in the lower leagues is frightening in comparison to even a very good standard of semi pro football - it may not seem that way in comparison to the PL but if you watch it regularly it becomes apparent.
The fact that United produce players playing professionally and making a career in the game is testament to the club, because its nowhere near as easy as you seem to think - hence the hundreds of players knocking about the semi pro game in the UK, scratching a living.
As for your mate its a good job they do play him upfront, for a big bloke he's fragile to say the least and would get battered at centre half by even the most average league one striker. Also seems that he's played upfront for the most part in any event.
Friendly caps or not the fact that he's an international is embarrasing.
why arent we after this lad? looks proper quality!
I keep asking the same question.
Lad seems quality and fits all Fergies criteria. What ever major club signs him is going to have a gem for years to come.
He knocked back Chelsea a couple of times, I think (not too sure on that) but he seems adamant on staying at Ajax and learning his trade. (Actually maybe it was Chelsea that knocked him back?).
Hasn't he stated recently he wants to stay at Ajax.
Edit, no he didn't it was a misleading headline
Edit, no he didn't it was a misleading headline
He gets regular games and top coaching at Ajax, I can see why he would like to remain there for slightly longer. He will follow the path of other talented midfielders that has come out of their school and eventually play for world's biggest clubs anyway.
Yep he even rejected City to stay at Ajax.
He was on trial with CFC as a youngster few years back and didn't impress.
His father wasn't too pleased about it and mentioned it in a fairly recent interview.
I think we would get just as good coaching under Rene than he would at Ajax. Would fit this young team perfectly!
But, he wouldn't be playing 1st team games regularly. Coupled with the way they play and playing games, he probably sees that as a better way to grow as a player right now instead of going to a bigger club which may have as good if not better coaching/training facilities but, not get the game time.
why wouldnt he? I think he would he is certainly good enough
We'll have no room for him once we've bought Defour, surely?
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