Ekeke
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2 yellow cards in 28 starts. Less than his number of goals (3) and assists (2)
So no, Smalling hasnt had the slightest problem with VAR
So no, Smalling hasnt had the slightest problem with VAR
It’s not entirely true. He has conceded at least four penalties, maybe more. Three penalties for handball after VAR check. That’s actually a very high amount.2 yellow cards in 28 starts. Less than his number of goals (3) and assists (2)
So no, Smalling hasnt had the slightest problem with VAR
It’s not entirely true. He has conceded at least four penalties, maybe more. Three penalties for handball after VAR check. That’s actually a very high amount.
And yellow cards don’t have so much to do with VAR.
Actually the penalty you mention, there was no VAR in place in that game (Europa league).One of them I remember, it hit his face and was given as a penalty. Where was VAR then?
It’s not entirely true. He has conceded at least four penalties, maybe more. Three penalties for handball after VAR check. That’s actually a very high amount.
And yellow cards don’t have so much to do with VAR.
Smalling could never work in our team. Him and AWB in the same team would be a disaster. No composure when trying to build out from the back and the odd misplaced pass due to terrible technique on the ball.
He would definitely help adding goals for us. I‘ve noticed recently how often Fernandes successfully targets Maguire from corners. Having a second option would increase our chances of scoring.Yeah if there's no obvious transfer for us this summer, then I'm 100% for keeping him and getting rid of rojo and Jones. Smalling should be starter next to Maguire IMO, would make a much better partner to Magure than Lindelof is. Aggressive, quick, strong, tall, dominant aerially, right sided center back.
Imagining the two of them trying to pass through a high press is giving me anxiety.Yeah if there's no obvious transfer for us this summer, then I'm 100% for keeping him and getting rid of rojo and Jones. Smalling should be starter next to Maguire IMO, would make a much better partner to Magure than Lindelof is. Aggressive, quick, strong, tall, dominant aerially, right sided center back.
I get Ole likes Lindelof for his build up play, but I don't think its at a level where it out weighs the overall defensive quality and aerial dominance we would have with both Maguire and Smalling. Lindelof tends to just pass it off to Maguire anyway.
It’s not entirely true. He has conceded at least four penalties, maybe more. Three penalties for handball after VAR check. That’s actually a very high amount.
And yellow cards don’t have so much to do with VAR.
He conceded more penalties than the entire United did. Of course, he wasn’t going to concede 200 penalties, but 4 penalties for a single player is really a lot.I distinctly remember being told it would be the end of his career. Pulling people in the box giving away a penalty is very likely a yellow card
None of them for what people were saying was a weakness though.He conceded more penalties than the entire United did. Of course, he wasn’t going to concede 200 penalties, but 4 penalties for a single player is really a lot.
I distinctly remember being told it would be the end of his career. Pulling people in the box giving away a penalty is very likely a yellow card
I think he, and many other CBs, have cleaned up their game and adjusted for VAR. They lose a weapon or two, and how important that is depends on the CB. I personally can’t say if he is less effective now when he has to be less physical in the box, especially not since he moved to another league.People came up with this ridiculous "VAR is the end of him" as he holds opponent shirt, I don't remember him conceding penalty for that. Every CB does that but for some weird reason ManUtd fans think it's only Smalling who does that.
I think he, and many other CBs, have cleaned up their game and adjusted for VAR. They lose a weapon or two, and how important that is depends on the CB. I personally can’t say if he is less effective now when he has to be less physical in the box, especially not since he moved to another league.
Now he should try to clean up the handball part as well.
We should bring him back. There's games i'd rather have him in the team over Lindelof and vice versa.
He's still a good CB and I honestly think he got way too much criticism, just like Maguire is getting now too. Roma seem to want to keep him and their fans love him.
The problem is not only his technical ability to play attacking football here, but also low mentality and concentration. I agree he's a better defender than our CB, but even during his great run in Serie A he still plays like a youngster. No leadership, and still has no communication with his teamatates. Lucky for him Roma is always playing with 5 at the back and some veteran players.
Lack of ruthless strikers in Italy overshadows his common weakness, and He's still the same person there. We should let him go and move on. We only conceeded 36 goals in the league and some of them were De Gea's howler. We also conceeded only 3 penalties, while Smalling alone has 4. Our CB partnership is a masive improvement from last season.
Again, the decision basically isn't really ours in a way.We should bring him back. There's games i'd rather have him in the team over Lindelof and vice versa.
He's still a good CB and I honestly think he got way too much criticism, just like Maguire is getting now too. Roma seem to want to keep him and their fans love him.
Not as much as smalling will or did during his time here.So you're suggesting that our players dont already make the odd misplaced pass?
None of Maguire or Lindelof had conceded Errors leading to goal record, let alone penalties. The argument of Smalling will give us more goals from set pieces by Bruno is also ludicrous. We can score anywhere from the pitch with our front 3, we're not Stoke or Burnley.This is something that gets overlooked as everybody focuses on his ball playing ability. He is an excellent 1v1 defender, arguably the best we have, but his game reading and concentration is poor vs any team with good movement. He's awful at reading diagonal runs and passing marked players along to his teammates during an attack.
Roma have conceded 40 goals in his 29 games. We have conceded 36 all season, in a significantly stronger league. He's had a good season there no doubt but let's not kid ourselves that he's in some way better than Maguire and Lindelof.
None of Maguire or Lindelof had conceded Errors leading to goal record, let alone penalties. The argument of Smalling will give us more goals from set pieces by Bruno is also ludicrous. We can score anywhere from the pitch with our front 3, we're not Stoke or Burnley.
Same situation when we sold Silvestre in 2008. If he stayed he would scored assists and goals, but who needed that when you have Ronaldo, Tevez, and Rooney. The 2008 squad is magnificent though, They were on a different level.
Actually I think it's not beyond debate.Smalling is a better defender by a mile than either Maquire, Lindelof or Tuanzebe. This is beyond debate.
Id like to see the actual numbers on this. I think comparing clean sheets / and number of goals conceded like has been done on the previous page is not a great stat to look at though and not a true comparison with players.‘He had a great game, but I just can’t help feeling there’s a mistake in him’. That was the running assessment in almost every performance thread he had with us for years. Utter nonsense. Of course, when he inevitably makes one mistake at some point, it is like ‘there it is!’. He made far less than Maguire has this season.
Yeah, This season He conceded 4, Maguire has 0 errors to leading goal mistake.‘He had a great game, but I just can’t help feeling there’s a mistake in him’. That was the running assessment in almost every performance thread he had with us for years. Utter nonsense. Of course, when he inevitably makes one mistake at some point, it is like ‘there it is!’. He made far less than Maguire has this season.
I think there is certainly a debate to be had for lindelof v smalling especially if you are talking about defensive qualitiesBoth Maguire and Lindelof are better defenders, better footballers and more reliable than Smalling. I don’t think there is a debate here.
The whole VAR thing is a lazy excuse to sell a narrative and it’s clearly bolloxJust curious if anyone can answer this.
1. Has there been any cases of penalty given for shirt pulling by VAR? If yes, how many in EPL? Shirt pulling/grabbing at set-piece is still common in PL games despite the VAR.
2. Serie A have been using VAR though many of its implementations is arguably still not at good level. How many penalties did Smalling given for shirt pulling there?
Yeah, This season He conceded 4, Maguire has 0 errors to leading goal mistake.