Yeah, the dogs that mauled the kid to death have absolutely zero to do with this, they're the real victims here...
Child killed by pet dog
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I know you're being facetious but it's actually kind of true. The dog did what dogs can do if they are treated improperly or not supervised when interacting with kids and in the end will be killed for it. When kept as pets they are under human care and that makes it our responsibility to care for them properly, which typically results in a well behaved animal that is not prone to lash out at members of its pack.
It is also our responsibility to make sure we keep an eye on their interaction with children because children can do silly things with dogs that could have bad results and also because the dog may consider itself as a higer ranking pack member to the child and treat it accordingly in some situations so the big dog, aka the master, needs to be around to ensure that everyone holds their station and no trouble ensues.
Dog labelled a menace by the neighbours, mauled a cat before, parent (mum) and owner (mums bf) keep the dog, named killer :houiller: with a small child.
Also, this dog is already on the banned list. It's a pitbull, so basically they were breaking the law having it.
Blame the owners, not the dog, sounds like it was brought up to be a fierce dog anyway.
Oh the joys of taking my staffy out for a walk over the next week and getting horrible looks off other twonks thinking it'll kill them.
Also, this dog is already on the banned list. It's a pitbull, so basically they were breaking the law having it.
Blame the owners, not the dog, sounds like it was brought up to be a fierce dog anyway.
Oh the joys of taking my staffy out for a walk over the next week and getting horrible looks off other twonks thinking it'll kill them.
I think the opposite happens, most say its the owners, not the dog. But its always the same kind of dogs that you see doing this.
In reality its both, I think.
People defend and defend these dogs but it's always the same type isn't it?
Pit Bulls were selectively bred by humans for blood sports like bull baiting, the breed was designed by man. In the UK they are illegal but certain people like to keep them as status dogs or to fight them. Usually these people are idiots and are incapable of looking after or even appreciating the needs of the breed.
In the right hands pitbulls can be great dogs. In the hands of an idiot they are very dangerous. The owners should be prosecuted in cases like this as all dog owners are ultimately responsible for their dogs.
A dangerous dog should be put down but demonising the whole breed is totally missing the point and the problem.
Because these type of dogs attract some knobhead owners who get them for "show" and "fighting" ... because of their builds and looks. Having a dog is like having a kid, you've got to raise it properly.
However, dogs should never be left alone with a small child, or any child who isn't of a responsible age/strong enough/etc.
It's sad that this keeps happening, and I still agree with others that a license should be needed to own a dog anyway. It shouldn't be needed, but the fact is, these days, it pretty much is because of things like this.
Sad for the entire family here, especially the kids dad.
I'd like to see an end to breed bans with so called dangerous breeds requiring a licence and training as my compromise.
That would also be fine with me. Probably the best option. All dogs should be chipped with extra info too so they can be scanned by police as they walk by and it alerts them if there is no chip present. Would be the easiest way of policing the license issue imo.
Brilliant idea!
We could be about to become rich.
Your first sentence says it all.
A lab is very unlikely to kill a child no matter how its been brought up/treated. Same with most breeds.
I used to agree that it's not the dogs fault, and it isn't in a way. But there's only so much you can defend a breed that consistently kills children. It's like bringing a bear up from a cub, it's still gonna have it's vicious streak.
No in reality the victim is sadly not with us. However the dog is essentially a secondary victim in it. Ultimately the owner should be held responsible. Any breed of dogs is capable of this no matter how big or small. Also has been mentioned above the amount of people who have one of these dogs to match an image rather than understanding the breed fully and wanting it for it's good traits is appalling. All dogs should require having to get a license similar to driving. No license, no road use. I'm sure it would be more complicated than that though.
I've a mate who works for Battersea Dogs home and he has close contact with all breeds daily. He is of the same opinion as myself that it's the owner here who are the primary issue. They (the dogs) need to be raised properly and the majority of the cnuts getting them haven't a clue about teaching a dog his place within the home and the correct behaviours from the get go.
I'm horrified at what's happened to that child and the dog must be destroyed. The owner/owners whichever way you want to view it should be punished severely and banned from owning a dog ever again.
That's somewhat incorrect. With the exception of dogs used for guarding purposes most breeding dogs are selected for temperament above he majority of other traits, at least by responsible breeders. Since we don't bull bait anymore this has resulted in the typical response you get from many people about what wonderful dogs they are, this is because they came from a responsible breeder that selected for good temperament.
It is only in the last couple of decades that we have seen the rise of dog attacks because of irresponsible backyard breeding programs primarily interested in creating aggressive dogs for fighting and status purposes.
I sometimes wonder, is every sociopath raised the wrong way too? Maybe we should jail the parents of serial killers.
What happened to crazy, though? Is there noone just crazy anymore? You'd think the same would apply to dogs... Or is it because we can't communicate with them that we assume every dog is good natured?
Some do have behavioural problems, of course, they're mammals and can be subject to similar brain conditions as we can, but again, it is the owner's responsibility to provide care for thier pet.
One of my dogs is on Prozac because she has anxiety issues. Works very well for her, too.
No matter which way you spin it, a dog is an animal. No matter how much you train them, you cannot train their instinct out of them. Obviously some dogs have a much higher obedience threshold than others but they are still animals. I wouldn't leave any dog unsupervised with a child. I feel sorry that they've lost their child but they are to blame. The dog was following its natural instinct.
Sorry for laughing but I've never ever heard about dogs on Prozac, Dwayne. Is he all spaced out when you give him one?Comparing the thought process and complexity of the brain in humans to dogs is a bit silly. Anywho, as GB says just a few posts back, they are animals and you cannot completely train the animal instinct out of them. The fault lies with the owner.
Exactly.
I've got a soppy West Highland, but I would never leave her alone with a small child.
That poor little girl's mother was negligent and/or stupid. IAnd 'm guessing the boyfriend is the type of thicko you see on Jeremy Kyle. There's no excuse for not being vigilant around a young baby if there's any animal around, let alone one that was known to be aggressive.
Reading the story, this seems to be a classic case of dipshit owner who has brought the dog up wrong. It seems the dogs has displayed past behaviour and such (cat/neighbours), and giving the dog the name killer should be a massive give away to the type of person the dog owner is. This death is on them, they shouldn’t have left a new born anywhere near a dog brought up this way.
Over here every dog has to be micro chipped (and cats shortly as well), so not exactly a new thing. It doesn’t help at all, as banned breeds just get registered under something else. Generally staffy cross or something like that. Plus the type of people who are raising dogs still for fighting are hardly going to register their dogs anyway, so it is still up to the police to seek them out.
Well yeah I know it's not new but it's not mandatory or policed anyway.
I suggested more info in the chips too.
Could tests not determine the breed of the dog? I know some idiots would still breed banned dogs but with chipping with extra info and auto scanners it would help decrease the number.
A little bit subdued is all. We were pretty surprised at its effectiveness. Our vet suggested it could take up to 6 weeks to start working but we noticed a calmness come over her a few hours after the first dose. He had recommended we try a natural supplement that they were pushing at the clinic, going so far as to give us a money back guarantee. Those pills only made her angry, so we got our money back.
It is mandatory over here, and fairly sure there are fines for not having them chipped. Not sure what info is actually on the chips, Think it is just owners information/registration into and breed information potentially.
I'm sure they could do fancy tests to determine the exact breed of a dog, but I'd guess the cost of that would be rather high and make it a no goer. I'd say introducing a licence type system for dog ownership (all dogs including small ornaments types) that includes mandatory dog training classes with the new dog would be a better route. Would only add a couple of hundred extra to the cost of dogs and really all pups would benefit from the socialization and training as well as the owners.
We had our beagle on "puppy prozac" too. She was a rescue with terrible anxiety issues. Worked well. We also considered pirin tablets.
Somewhat related to the discussion. I once saw a pointer at a dog park that pointed to a bird. I asked the owner just how much training was involved because it looked so majestic and professional. Her response "none, he did it as a puppy with no training". She had no interest in training the dog and never did. To me that speaks volumes about the inbred genetic traits of dogs. There is only so much you can do to influence a dog's behaviour. Teaching a dog "new tricks" is one thing (i.e. I may be able to train a non-pointer to point) , but removing a dog's deeply-bred traits is a whole different issue. And we all know what these dogs were bred for.
Always take interest in these topics. I have an male American Akita, my sister has the two parents and all dogs live in houses with cats, reptiles, kids and another male dog, In complete harmony. But I suppose most owners say that until an attack happens! I certainly believe it is to do with the owners and I think more education is needed regarding housing pets (maybe even a licence?). Not just the big powerful breed, but all. My parents Jack Russell raises much more concern than my Akita, especially around visitors. On the flip side, I would never trust my Akita to be unleashed, or to walk with my in laws. He is simply too big and powerful.
If anyone is interested, this site always gets to me.. Beware is graphic..
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If anyone is interested, this site always gets to me.. Beware is graphic..
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My wife cousin had a doberman, really nice dog, tried to bit my daughter but his son was the one who got the bit...last time the dog attacked someone he blew the dogs head with the shotgun. Some dogs we cannot trust around children even if they are "nice dogs".
That cousin is an idiot. Can't train dogs and then blew the dog's head off? What the hell is wrong with him? He's a bloody murderer.
Holy shit! Couldn't he just have let him put to sleep? Makes a bit less of a mess.It's kinda hard to distinguish who is the animal here.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2562020/Police-seize-family-dog-baby-killed-Wales.html
RIP, but you really shouldn't have dogs in the same room as a baby unless you can be assured the dog won't harm them.
RIP, but you really shouldn't have dogs in the same room as a baby unless you can be assured the dog won't harm them.Another? Bloody hell.
Malamuts are one of the closest domestic pets to a wolf aren't they?
Malamuts are one of the closest domestic pets to a wolf aren't they?
Not sure how close to a wolf they are, everything I had always heard about them is that they are actually considered good family pets though tend to be independent and smart so they take some extra effort training them.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2562020/Police-seize-family-dog-baby-killed-Wales.html
'Assured'?
That's horrible. 6 days 6 days - that must be one of the most painful experiences. My thoughts go to the family.
RIP
RIP
If the dog is caged, tied up etc.
I was always under the impression that sled dogs are not suitable for family pets. That they are hard to train and have incredible energy levels due to being bred for serious physical work and if they don't have lots of exercise then they are prone to wrecking their owners houses. I am pretty sure that Husky type dogs are in the top 10 dogs for killing people too. They look great but I don't think that the average family who will only walk it to and from the shop every day should have one. They are for the committed owner only.
I think that if you have big dogs around small children then the risk is always there. I am a dog lover and owner but I would never buy that type of dog if I had a young family. I really wanted a Wolf hybrid dog a couple of years back but being honest with myself I don't have the facilities to keep one (you would need a farm really) so I decided against it because it would have been irresponsible of me and potentially dangerous.
doing some searches on google everything keeps coming up that Alaskan Malamutes are good family dogs (the love people) but are energetic, intelligent, stubborn and do need their excercise one a day. It does take a lot of training. It is nto good with other small animals. Not an expert on them by any means.
Not sure you can really lump all heavily furred dogs into the "Husky Type" since the breeds may not all have the same characteristics.
Just like with humans, you can never be assured. Its far more common to have people killing people (how many babies are beaten or murdered daily in the world?), but a Dog can do it as well. Is not common, but just like with other people, you have to know your pet, and raise it with love.
And use common sense... a big dog, needs space. They are not for the city. They get stressed just like us.
My yard is 5000m2, and still, i felt is not big enough for my Akita.
What i am meaning in terms of assurance is that if you're going to have the dog in the same room as a child then having it caged (assuming you have a strong cage for the type of dog it is) or having it out of reach of the child by being tied/chained or whatever. You should never leave a baby/child in a room with a dog unattended though.