Chido Obi Martin

[RedSky]

If he's not ready is there anyone in the academy who is who could potentially step up?

 

[Maureen-yo]

He's good, but he's not ready. Not even near ready. Seen so many youth strikers at United from Webber, Ebanks-Blake, Fraizer Campbell, Keane, Wilson, McNeil, Hugill to name a few. The question you have to ask is whether he is delivering on their level yet? I think we need to be patient with the lad. People develop at their own pace. Let the lad be. If/when he's ready, he'll get a chance.

Out of interest, as you seem to be more in the know (actually watch the games), what was Rashford like at this level? Was he really lucky to get promoted to the first team at the age he was or was he outshining everyone?

 

[Paul778]

Out of interest, as you seem to be more in the know (actually watch the games), what was Rashford like at this level? Was he really lucky to get promoted to the first team at the age he was or was he outshining everyone?

He was lucky in that we had just sent a striker out on loan and was in an injury crisis. He came in and scored two on his debut. Sometimes it's just the being in the right place at the right time - a key skill for a striker

 

[Bertie Wooster]

If he's not ready is there anyone in the academy who is who could potentially step up?

Not really anyone but Obi, and it feels too early for him and a big gamble to take (though we may be in a desperate enough postition to take it - similar to when Rashford got his chance).

Hugill and Wheatley are the most senior, but they're both out on loan in league two (4th tier) - which is reflective of how close they are to being PL standard!

Obi and Biancheri look more promising prospects than those, but they're both young - 17 and 18 - and still need more time before being ready. Biancheri is also injured at the moment.

If there was anyone, it would be Obi. He's more developed physically than Biancheri, and has more talent than Hugill and Wheatley.

 

[the chameleon]

Out of interest, as you seem to be more in the know (actually watch the games), what was Rashford like at this level? Was he really lucky to get promoted to the first team at the age he was or was he outshining everyone?

Didn't watch as much of Rashford at youth level, because he moved up quite fast. But what I recall was that he was more a small skillful winger. He shot up in height quite late.

The standouts for me were Will Keane (I honestly was certain he would make it before that horrid injury for England in 2011). I recall a u21 game vs Chelsea, they had Lukaku, Keane scored a hat-trick that day. Such a great young prospect with a bit of Sheringham in him. I think there's always a bit of luck in making it in football. But there is some level of raw talent as well. I think Rashford had that more than say Chido right now. But you never, Harry Kane looked average at youth level, but look at him now. I think Chido is the type that has that drive, but not the raw talent to be a Michael Owen / Rooney / Rashford type teen prodigy. More someone that should be eased through and maybe given a chance when there's less pressure. But who knows, this is just my take and it could be wrong.

 

[the chameleon]

Yeah we could afford to do that if we had people actually capable of scoring goals, sadly we are lumbered with two muppets who are terrible

Still not a big enough reason to put a 16/17 year old to save us. We're stuck with those two muppets till the summer window now at least.

 

[the chameleon]

Not really anyone but Obi, and it feels too early for him and a big gamble to take (though we may be in a desperate enough postition to take it - similar to when Rashford got his chance).

Hugill and Wheatley are the most senior, but they're both out on loan in league two (4th tier) - which is reflective of how close they are to being PL standard!

Obi and Biancheri look more promising prospects than those, but they're both young - 17 and 18 - and still need more time before being ready. Biancheri is also injured at the moment.

If there was anyone, it would be Obi. He's more developed physically than Biancheri, and has more talent than Hugill and Wheatley.

I see those two ahead of Obi, but as you say, still too early for them to step up as well.

 

[AngeloHenriquez]

If he's not ready is there anyone in the academy who is who could potentially step up?

Biancheri is probably ahead slightly but then Wheatley has a lower celing than both but currently more developed just went out on loan?

 

[croadyman]

Biancheri is probably ahead slightly but then Wheatley has a lower celing than both but currently more developed just went out on loan?

Promote him too when back from injury

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Hopefully we can help get one of the senior lads to click for a few months. Chido is a big talent and I think he would benefit a lot from sticking to the development plan and not throwing him in the deep end.

 

[croadyman]

Hopefully we can help get one of the senior lads to click for a few months. Chido is a big talent and I think he would benefit a lot from sticking to the development plan and not throwing him in the deep end.

Why we wasted over £100m on the pair I will never understand in a million years

 

[Bojan Djordjic]

I hope so. And hopefully more than just Chido gets a look in.

I could be totally wrong obviously and maybe there is a plan for Chido and now isn't it.

It just struck me that a manager has a squad and has consistently said we have no time to train, then pushes that message at every opportunity yet us fans are asking about players being integrated who aren't part of that first team squad.

The obvious answer for me is he hasn't had/got the time.

Should we not play our new wingback either? I really think you’re overthinking this.

 

[SalfordRed18]

Gonna have to throw him in, sink or swim

 

[Bojan Djordjic]

Not really anyone but Obi, and it feels too early for him and a big gamble to take (though we may be in a desperate enough postition to take it - similar to when Rashford got his chance).

Hugill and Wheatley are the most senior, but they're both out on loan in league two (4th tier) - which is reflective of how close they are to being PL standard!

Obi and Biancheri look more promising prospects than those, but they're both young - 17 and 18 - and still need more time before being ready. Biancheri is also injured at the moment.

If there was anyone, it would be Obi. He's more developed physically than Biancheri, and has more talent than Hugill and Wheatley.

How is it a gamble at this stage? I don’t understand this mentality. There’s no downside in my mind. Fans are going to be hugely supportive if he does well and understanding if it does prove too much of a stretch for a 17 year old. The upside is that it could change our season, accelerate his development as similar circumstances did for Rashford a number of years ago. Chido might be a bit raw but he’s not a normal talent either. At youth level, he’s outscored some extremely talented strikers who have gone on to great careers.

 

[DJ_21]

Surely has to start making the bench now with so little attacking options. We had 2 GK on bench on Sunday.

 

[Bertie Wooster]

How is it a gamble at this stage? I don’t understand this mentality. There’s no downside in my mind. Fans are going to be hugely supportive if he does well and understanding if it does prove too much of a stretch for a 17 year old. The upside is that it could change our season, accelerate his development as similar circumstances did for Rashford a number of years ago. Chido might be a bit raw but he’s not a normal talent either. At youth level, he’s outscored some extremely talented strikers who have gone on to great careers.

It's a gamble to any young players development to throw them into such a pressurised 'sink or swim' situation as we're in at such a young age.

Obviously you give the best case scenario as the upside, and that would be great. There's clearly potential downside though, in the worst case scenario where he sinks, not swims.

It would definitely be a gamble in terms of his long term development - and one that we obviously wouldn't be taking at this early stage if we weren't in such a desperate position. He'd be being picked now because of that desperate position, not because it would otherwise be deemed that he's ready and it's the ideal time to promote him. It's not ideal. But hopefully if we do take the gamble, it pays off.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Yeah surely yesterday was telling, mind you Ruben probably thought that would get him player

Yes he clearly did, yet what you read today suggests we were never really close to getting anyone, so who knows what he was been told.

The fact is that he's gone from Hojlund to Zirkzee, and back again without either of them coming close taking their chance, so he's then resorted to starting without either of them, it's obvious he's getting a bit desperate at the situation now.

I have no idea how Chido would look playing in the first team, but we are literally at a point where we don't have much option to at least try.

 

[Still ill]

I don't think popping him in for the odd 20 off the bench would be throwing him to the wolves. Rashford and McTominay both came out of nowhere (with a nod to the academy heads who saw it all coming). Desperate times etc.

 

[Pexbo]

There is raw and then there is rough. I’d say he looks more like a rough talent than a raw talent right now. I can’t believe for one second he’d have any impact in the EPL, his close control looks worse than Højlund’s at a much lower level with more time and space.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

There is raw and then there is rough. I’d say he looks more like a rough talent than a raw talent right now. I can’t believe for one second he’d have any impact in the EPL, his close control looks worse than Højlund’s at a much lower level with more time and space.

It is also worth noting that Hojlund would smash records at U21 level more than likely.

I don't doubt that if we brought him through right now there are a lot of posters on here who would be calling him a rubbish talent within 6 weeks. You could probably predict a lot of the posters.

 

[Top_Bins]

Rashford was raw when he got his chance.
Sometimes needs must and I'm sure the lad won't hesitate to take his shot.

'He who dares wins, Rodney!'- Harry Redknapp

 

[sglowrider]

Why is he wearing Luke Shaws shorts though?

Hand me downs. All part of the INEOS comprehensive 'no pebble unturned' approach to budget cuts.

Don't worry, they have steam-cleaned them (strictly according to HSE regs) before handing them down to Chido et al. They have adjustable waistbands. An innovative idea.

Only 15 pairs of shorts are allowed to be used per matchday squad. It gets rotated during the match.

Harsh, but it does save the club 50 quid per week in laundry services. I hear that they are potentially getting each player to take their kit home to wash or possibly using the old disused CR7 swimming pool to do their laundry. Another 50quid a week in savings.

All part of Brailsford's marginal gains philosophy.

 

[sglowrider]

Surely in our current situation the cup games are more important that the league games?

40 points is our goal. After that, we play the kids.

 

[sglowrider]

Didn't watch as much of Rashford at youth level, because he moved up quite fast. But what I recall was that he was more a small skillful winger. He shot up in height quite late.

The standouts for me were Will Keane (I honestly was certain he would make it before that horrid injury for England in 2011). I recall a u21 game vs Chelsea, they had Lukaku, Keane scored a hat-trick that day. Such a great young prospect with a bit of Sheringham in him. I think there's always a bit of luck in making it in football. But there is some level of raw talent as well. I think Rashford had that more than say Chido right now. But you never, Harry Kane looked average at youth level, but look at him now. I think Chido is the type that has that drive, but not the raw talent to be a Michael Owen / Rooney / Rashford type teen prodigy. More someone that should be eased through and maybe given a chance when there's less pressure. But who knows, this is just my take and it could be wrong.

Yeap. I was sure we had a Sherringham with a little more speed in our hands. Great composure, plus some guile for his age.

Sad.

 

[khoazany]

Didn't watch as much of Rashford at youth level, because he moved up quite fast. But what I recall was that he was more a small skillful winger. He shot up in height quite late.

The standouts for me were Will Keane (I honestly was certain he would make it before that horrid injury for England in 2011). I recall a u21 game vs Chelsea, they had Lukaku, Keane scored a hat-trick that day. Such a great young prospect with a bit of Sheringham in him. I think there's always a bit of luck in making it in football. But there is some level of raw talent as well. I think Rashford had that more than say Chido right now. But you never, Harry Kane looked average at youth level, but look at him now. I think Chido is the type that has that drive, but not the raw talent to be a Michael Owen / Rooney / Rashford type teen prodigy. More someone that should be eased through and maybe given a chance when there's less pressure. But who knows, this is just my take and it could be wrong.

Which means you didn't watch Rashford at all, as when he hits the U18s level he's already going through his growth spurt and been moved up front.

He only scored like 12 goals during his U18s season as a first year scholar (he was promoted to the U18s the year before as a schoolboy, making his first start during the FA Youth Cup). Granted that our U18s team and coaching was worse back then, but he was very raw in most aspect especially his finishing understandably as he was an AM/winger before that.

I would say in terms of rawness, Rashford was more raw at the same age. But again Rashford was promoted when he's about year older than Chido is now (he was a second year U18s scholar at that time whilst Chido is currently a first year).

With how quick we moved Chido up to the U21s (along with Kukonki), pretty sure both of them gonna be on the summer tour plan at least.

 

[Dannn411]

I would not damage his morale and development by playing him with the shower of shite that is our first team. He would barely get any chances created for him and be subject to all that toxicity. Allow him develop in the reserves and call him up when we have a better first team.

 

[KM]

Rashford was definitely more raw than Chido when he made his debut.

I personally think he's good for bench appearances(against Leicester in FA Cup for example) and all.

 

[Xeque_279]

I personally think he's good for bench appearances(against Leicester in FA Cup for example) and all.

Yeah, would like to see more of this, even if he doesn't play (beats having two keepers on the bench), he can still be involved. Training, match day squad, the odd 10 min cameo.

 

[SubutaiScipio]

I think the first step is for Amorim to get him to train with the first team for a bit and see if he can cope with them. 1-2 weeks training with the first team and then maybe a couple of token bench appearances so he sees the real thing up close. Final step is a few late subs in the last 10-15 minutes of games. The whole process should take about a month.

I want him training with the first team first so he can get used to playing against defenders he can't overpower easily.

 

[the chameleon]

Which means you didn't watch Rashford at all, as when he hits the U18s level he's already going through his growth spurt and been moved up front.

He only scored like 12 goals during his U18s season as a first year scholar (he was promoted to the U18s the year before as a schoolboy, making his first start during the FA Youth Cup). Granted that our U18s team and coaching was worse back then, but he was very raw in most aspect especially his finishing understandably as he was an AM/winger before that.

I would say in terms of rawness, Rashford was more raw at the same age. But again Rashford was promoted when he's about year older than Chido is now (he was a second year U18s scholar at that time whilst Chido is currently a first year).

With how quick we moved Chido up to the U21s (along with Kukonki), pretty sure both of them gonna be on the summer tour plan at least.

I did watch him, enough to have an opinion, though probably at a more junior level. I do go through gaps where I don't follow youth teams and just remember seeing him suddenly shoot up in height.

From memory Rashford as a kid had a better touch than Obi. He was super skillful and quick.

Also, you make a lot of assumptions on what people did or didn't watch. All I can say is that I have watched enough youth football over the years to say that nothing is guaranteed and better prospects have come along and failed. People need to curb their expectations on Chido and let him develop at his pace.

 

[VDG17]

I would not damage his morale and development by playing him with the shower of shite that is our first team. He would barely get any chances created for him and be subject to all that toxicity. Allow him develop in the reserves and call him up when we have a better first team.

I think this is the main reason none of the young players are being promoted. It could be extremely damaging for them at the moment. Not only that I think the air of desperation is so strong that anyone that comes in will have the hopes of the entire team on their shoulders. This season is done and so the younger talents should start to come in as part of the summer refresh.

 

[UnitedSofa]

Should we not play our new wingback either? I really think you’re overthinking this.

What!?

Dorgu is 20 and has played Serie A football

Obi Martin is 17 and is still in the development level and playing for the 18’s

Literally can’t compare the two