Those two have had one foot out of the door for a quite a while now anyway. I would be very very surprised if either of them are still at Chelsea next season.
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Those two have had one foot out of the door for a quite a while now anyway. I would be very very surprised if either of them are still at Chelsea next season.
I’m rather enjoying this new era so far.
Yep, very surprised but also very disappointed if either was still at the club next season.
As you should. Do you think I ever let my foot off Arsenal fans' throats when they were in their banter era?
Same. I don't know what kind of market there out there is for Pulisic though.
He's got a good PR team so I think/hope someone will fall for it.
I mean even in our fanbase who watch him week in week out he still gets leeway due to the restart period, compare that to how much critisism CHO gets for a lot less.
I'd hope so but his injury problems, which should have been a red flag for Chelsea back then, is definitely going to be a huge red flag for other clubs now.
Apparently in the summer there was some level of interest from Juve, Newcastle and even Man Utd made some enquiries, but all of those clubs were only interested in a loan and Chelsea instisted on a permanent sale.
Come next summer he'll only have a year left on his contract so maybe the price tag won't be too high and someone will bite?
Hopefully but I can't see any serious club wanting to take a chance on him. I'm sure West Ham and clubs around Europe at that level would want him but there's zero chance Pulisic would agree. He'd be looking for a CL club and I just don't see any being interested, unless they're a 3rd or 4th tier CL club like Marseille or Gladbach.
Yeah I agree it's not going to be easy, but with less time left on the contract it's certainly more likely than before. Like @Dancfc said Pulisic for some reason has a really good PR team so hopefully they can dupe someone into paying up.
Pulisic' remaining amortisation value is around £10M so anything above that would be mint. While it would mean a big net loss compared to the initial price paid for him, it would free up almost £20M in the budget (inc. wages). That's the yearly cost of a £50-60M signing on £150K/wk so hopefully we could find someone better to spend it on than fecking Pulisic.
Looks like you guys are going through that phase where players family and friends are coming out and taking shots
Atleast it's the family member of an actual top player so can be somewhat mitigated.
When Maguire's siblings were taking shots at your fanbase I was even annoyed so god knows how much it wound you guys up.
Major improvement I think. From CL winners to complete rubbish and with a manager that never won anything. This is what I like to see from Chelsea.
He got a promotion to the first tier in the Swedish league by finishing second in the second division. A few years later, he won the Swedish Cup, while finishing fifth in the league that season. He then took Östersund past the group stage of the Europa League and into the knockout rounds, a rare occurrence for Swedish clubs in recent times (Only Malmö has been there).
On the right track.
I worked my keyboard a lot to have them sack the quality manager they had. And they actually did it. Replaced a real winner in the German league and a CL winner with the Brighton manager.
Things are finally after 20 years of glory looking good for Chelsea.
I don't think Tuchel was sacked for his pedigree (or even the recent results)... He was most likely sacked for some kind of incompatibility with the new owners. It probably was his personality that cost him his 2 previous jobs at BVB and PSG.
The first two are Ole achievements. Taking them into europe was interesting, but this is the kind of punt for a Leicester, Newcastle, or maybe Spurs if they are feeling like another rebuild.
If they hadn't protested Ricketts out of a bid, and that had been successful, I wonder how that would have gone
Didn't they have one of the richest men in the World backing that bid?
Didn't they have one of the richest men in the World backing that bid?
He was an elite manager IMO that if given the time he can create a bit of a dynasty. PSG was never going to do this, Chelsea also not. But after winning them the CL I did fear that he would stay so I did my little best to get the overachieving man out of there. Chelsea is much better with sacking quality and getting flavour of the month. 0% chances for top 4 is much more acceptable then CL Glory or title expectations.
Unless chelsea pull off ucl win then God knows how this doesn't end badly if they get no ucl football next season on top of the insane and surely ffp breaking transfer spending in these last two windows?
- Pulisic, Havertz, Ziyech, Jorginho, Auba, Azpi and Koulibaly on the chopping block.
- Mount and Kante will be offered new deals.
- Chelsea are still chasing Enzo Fernandez and/or Caicedo.
- Chelsea will likely discuss with Atletico Madrid about signing Joao Felix permanently.
- There has been no internal discussion about Potter’s future. His job is secure.
Training methods maybe?
Maybe it's the intensity they are suddenly training at.havent read the article so can't comment on that but I always find it strange when a new manager gets in occasionally you have these injury lists due to the difference in training regimes.
Possibly. There have been stories about Potter’s training sessions being less intense than what the players had been used to with Tuchel. The article doesn’t touch on that but it does mention that two long standing members of the medical department were let go several months ago and replaced by a private physiotherapy company. I’m thinking other than just sheer bad luck, that decision plus perhaps poor planning and management of players’ fitness levels is the biggest problem.
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I honestly have no idea what they're doing looking at signing Thuram and Madueke now. They need to recover players from injuries, figure out what they really need to prioritize, and then proceed with a sensible squad building approach in the summer. They aren't going to make Top 4 and (their history in this regard aside) they're not going to win the CL. The range of possibilities at this point on the field is like finish 9th and miss Europe to finish 6th and make the Europa League, its not a wide enough band to spend a lot of resources in January unless those are players who are long-term building blocks.
Per Transfermarkt, even if they don't re-sign any of the players with expiring contracts in 2023 they will have 31 first team players signed (counting those returning from loans) for next year already. It's a massive squad already, they might not even be in Europe next year, and Boehly can't stop signing players.
Per Transfermarkt, even if they don't re-sign any of the players with expiring contracts in 2023 they will have 31 first team players signed (counting those returning from loans) for next year already. It's a massive squad already, they might not even be in Europe next year, and Boehly can't stop signing players.
The briefings today suggests there will be a clear out with players like Pulisic, Ziyech and Havertz’s futures in doubt. - around 8-9 players in total. Whether that happens remains to be seen but at least there appears to be a plan to fine tune tune squad and not just continue adding players without letting anyone leave.
Re: specifically these two players. I think there’s definitely a place in our squad for a right sided forward like Madueke. He’s very young, very explosive and not out of control expensive. Thuram on the other hand feels more like an opportunistic signing with salvaging this season in mind and I’d rather we stayed away from moves like that.
I agree with Powderfinger. You seem to be stockpiling players, good players, a lot of young talent, but with your resources I think you should show more patience and be more selective about who you actually sign.
As for the list going out, I think you will know with experience that once you have players on really good money, it's hard to get players out the door, to the continent especially, as a lot of the time players won't get the same wages elsewhere and don't want to walk away from them.
Someone ever told me to look out for Kai Harvetz, a generational talent coming to light up the EPL. However till this day, after watching him for so long, i have no clue just what this man is good at…
Chelsea fans, please enlighten me.
Chelsea fans, please enlighten me.
I have been meaning to post some thoughts on Chelsea recently, but I have only just got around to putting it together.
As an outside looking in, for what Roman Abramovich represents politically, he put together a management team that was structurally efficient and effective when considering the team on the pitch (during the mid to late noughties) as well as the academy.
Chelsea had Bruce Buck as chairman, and Frank Arnesen as Director of Football who was then replaced by Michael Emenalo. The latter was then replaced by Marina Granovskaia. These were a succession people who were extremely effective in their roles. Combine that with a core of players that were technically and mentally strong such as Petr Cech, John Terry, Ashley Cole, Frank Lampard and Didier Drogba. These were supported by Claude Makalele (in the early part of the Abramovich era) and then Micheal Essien. That team was strong to an extent that it did not matter who the manager was in the dugout.
As a United fan, I always felt that Chelsea had the resilience to compete on various fronts whether it was the Premier League, Champions League, and the cups. This was evident when Chelsea did not have a great league campaign in 2008-09, (but still got to a Champions league semi-final and FA Cup win) and 2011-2012 (when they won the Champions League and FA Cup double).
Also, Chelsea and United during that mid to late noughties era were two very strong teams competing against one another and on various fronts. City have not had the consistency of competition against them like what those two teams had. City fans will point to the fact that they and Liverpool reached record premier league points and that is fair credit, but City really had the resources to always retain the upper hand and Liverpool did extremely well in 2018-19, won it 2019-20 and was close last season, but they had a blow out season in 20-21 and they are again this season. City during the disrupted Covid season Liverpool won it, were nowhere near in their points tally.
Without a take over or serious investment in the first team, Liverpool are not going to get anywhere near City now, with their current squad and you do wonder will Klopp get anywhere near again? As for Man City, the question remains, once Guardiola leaves, do they have that structure in place in their operations, that Chelsea all those years in spite of Mourinho leaving the first time around. Will they continue to have sustained success without him as their coach?
Obviously, Chelsea supporters will know a lot more than what I do, but this is just a circumspect view from an outsider.
As an outside looking in, for what Roman Abramovich represents politically, he put together a management team that was structurally efficient and effective when considering the team on the pitch (during the mid to late noughties) as well as the academy.
Chelsea had Bruce Buck as chairman, and Frank Arnesen as Director of Football who was then replaced by Michael Emenalo. The latter was then replaced by Marina Granovskaia. These were a succession people who were extremely effective in their roles. Combine that with a core of players that were technically and mentally strong such as Petr Cech, John Terry, Ashley Cole, Frank Lampard and Didier Drogba. These were supported by Claude Makalele (in the early part of the Abramovich era) and then Micheal Essien. That team was strong to an extent that it did not matter who the manager was in the dugout.
As a United fan, I always felt that Chelsea had the resilience to compete on various fronts whether it was the Premier League, Champions League, and the cups. This was evident when Chelsea did not have a great league campaign in 2008-09, (but still got to a Champions league semi-final and FA Cup win) and 2011-2012 (when they won the Champions League and FA Cup double).
Also, Chelsea and United during that mid to late noughties era were two very strong teams competing against one another and on various fronts. City have not had the consistency of competition against them like what those two teams had. City fans will point to the fact that they and Liverpool reached record premier league points and that is fair credit, but City really had the resources to always retain the upper hand and Liverpool did extremely well in 2018-19, won it 2019-20 and was close last season, but they had a blow out season in 20-21 and they are again this season. City during the disrupted Covid season Liverpool won it, were nowhere near in their points tally.
Without a take over or serious investment in the first team, Liverpool are not going to get anywhere near City now, with their current squad and you do wonder will Klopp get anywhere near again? As for Man City, the question remains, once Guardiola leaves, do they have that structure in place in their operations, that Chelsea all those years in spite of Mourinho leaving the first time around. Will they continue to have sustained success without him as their coach?
Obviously, Chelsea supporters will know a lot more than what I do, but this is just a circumspect view from an outsider.
Are Curcurella, Aubumeyang, dave, koulibaily and kovacvic not fit? Why are they on the bench? Surely youd go with your most experienced players when your in a mess like chelsea are at the moment?
8.5 year deals to players… what in the world?
Was part of the plan to spend 1 billion as soon as possible Brewster's Millions - 'Billions'
Badiashile looked very impressive today. Great debut.
He was excellent.
I’d hand out an 8 year contract to Thiago Silva.
In all seriousness, he is absolutely ridiculous. It is frightening to think where we’d be in the league without him.
Defence looks good when everyone is fit. Reece James, Ben Chilwell, Fofana, Badiashile, Thiago Silva.
Our unity list is an absolute nightmare though.
Felix and Mudryk will offer us something different for the remainder of the season though but we still need a 20+ goal per season striker.
Looking forward to seeing this Mudryk lad play. He's been bigged up everywhere massively so I'm hoping to see some magic.
Swiss Ramble posted something about Chelsea's finances today.
- As it stands, it looks like they will be compliant with the Premier League’s Profitability and Sustainability regulations, though they will have a few more challenges with UEFA’s FFP, due to the smaller losses allowed. However, even here, the new rules that will be implemented from 2023/24 will allow them more scope.
Chelsea can improve matters this season with some player sales in this transfer window, but they could also worsen the FFP situation with further purchases (there is much talk about Caicedo and Noni, for example).
Most importantly, if they fail to qualify for the Champions League, then all bets are off.
Some really good insight from Swiss Ramble there.
To be fair, that was one little line I handpicked out of a pretty long article
But yeah, overly simplified stripped of all context and nuance, for FFP purposes spend less = good spend more = bad can sum up the entire article.
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