Yes, very much so, 2 away seems so much more achievable.
Cheering on Liverpool - 2017/18 edition
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It's true, would be feeling much better seeing Liverpool v Barcelona.
Oh well... just have to rely on Ronaldo all the way then...
St Etienne were very good at that time, they made it to the final in 76 narrowly losing to Bayern Munich. Gladbach were also a decent team at the time, we beat them in two finals 73 UEFA Cup and 77 EC. Also played them in semi's of EC 78. In 81 we trounced Fergie's Aberdeen and had Bayern in the semi's and after a 0-0 draw at anfield, they were so confident of winning the second leg they printed flyers for their fans with info one how to get to the stadium in Paris for the final! We drew 1-1 and went thru to final against Madrid. In 84 we beat Athletic Bilbao on the way to the final which was held at Roma's home ground.
Many of these teams look ordinary now - having never quite made it to Europe's elite or fallen away like Benfica. Maybe not quite falling as far as Notts Forest but they were good teams at the time.
I think if you looked thru EC history you would prob find that most winners only played a couple of very difficult teams because it was an open draw. Even in the CL era I'm sure there are a few runs to the final that haven't been that difficult - on paper. Its the nature of cup competitions with the luck of the draw and one bad game and you're out.
I do agree tho that none of the runs to the final compared to Utd in 99 which was exceptionally difficult at every stage.
True, but the sooner the Scouse go out the better.Tbf, that’s a pretty good bet
But if citeh won one they would only be 2 away from you.
Absolutely.
Good post, thanks. I knew St. Etienne were decent, also a number of non-‘elite’ clubs have won UCL a la Porto, Chelsea!
If Liverpool do beat Roma and get to the final, they'll have beaten the following sides in this year's competition;
Maribor
Spartak Moscow
Porto
Man City
Roma
Champions League
Well Mourinho's Porto beat the following sides to win it in 2004
FK Partizan
Marseille
Man United
Lyon
Deportivo
Monaco
Underwhelming eh?
If my wife is doing someone else while letting me watch Liverpool in the final....Whats your point?
It was suggested on RAWK a couple / few years ago that all wins before 1966 I think, should be discounted as unworthy of the modern era which only began following England winning the World Cup & televisions working properly or something. It was quite a good read but seems to have disappeared. It was also, and I'm certain this was a total coincidence, also quite handy for Liverpool on the total Euro count-up of Cups front.
The Liverpool players won't like the idea of being Favourites for the Roma tie. They can't adopt their usual "let's do Shankly, Paisley and Raphael proud by raising our game for the big occasion la" approach because they are already expected to outperform their opponents.
Roma will dispatch them with relative ease and we will be laughing at this thread shortly after.
Roma will dispatch them with relative ease and we will be laughing at this thread shortly after.
what? No of course I wouldnt like them to progress - Im not saying that at all. Im saying the only team capable of beating them is Real Madrid, but that their chances of beating Liverpool over two legs, one at Anfield (a huge advantage), is worse than in a final where Real are experienced and Klopp has bottled it numerous times. Bernabeu is now not a fortress neither.
Liverpool would win a final against Roma or Bayern in my view, so the order of how they meet teams is important. Real should be a level above Bayern.
Who cares if they go out in the semis or the final as long as they have the smallest chance of winning it overall. That must be the ultimate goal. Im sorry if its not simplistic enough for a catchy judgemental threadtitle
Of course Id prefer that too. Never said anything else.
Edit: if its Bayern or Roma doesnt mather much to me. Maybe Roma is the hardest opponent to me from those two as their playing style is not leaving as many gaps for counter attacks like City/Bayern would. Thats what Klopps team thrive on.
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If Liverpool beat Madrid or Munich in the final then they deserve it. 6 times la or times 5 la. We still have only won it 3 times. Its about time we stop sitting on our asses and watching City and Liverpool achieve their season targets both domestically and europe-ly (forgot the word). Buy some world class players Woody you feck!
That being said, i'm 99% sure they won't win it so i'm still calm. Munich are the worst possible team for Liverpool so i'm hoping they knock Madrid out
That being said, i'm 99% sure they won't win it so i'm still calm. Munich are the worst possible team for Liverpool so i'm hoping they knock Madrid out
I'm not too bothered. I'd much rather them then city if I had to choose. At least they're not a PR wing of the UAE.
I think Bayern will win though. Apparently their coach has never not reached the finals in his 3 seasons in the champion's league and he's won it twice. Roma are fourth in Italy, Liverpool third in England and Madrid fourth in Spain. Bayern have ran away with the bundesliga. No one seems to have noticed them but they're better than Liverpool or Roma and I think they'll beat Madrid.
I think Bayern will win though. Apparently their coach has never not reached the finals in his 3 seasons in the champion's league and he's won it twice. Roma are fourth in Italy, Liverpool third in England and Madrid fourth in Spain. Bayern have ran away with the bundesliga. No one seems to have noticed them but they're better than Liverpool or Roma and I think they'll beat Madrid.
True, it's not exactly idea, but preferable to Liverpool moving 3 ahead.
If iJose were Pool's manager, Jose would have told there is gulf of difference between their and Roma's "heritage" in last 7 or whatever years that suits his point and would just bend over.
Can't 5 be counted on one hand already? I get what you're trying to say but it doesn't make any sense I'm afraid.
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You waffle a reason then say this. Every united fan should want them out at the earliest. Your theory works on an assumption that RM will get to the final, if they don’t liverpool are more than capable of taking BM. So why would you not want them definitively out in the semi?
This is bullshit. Its not important wether they go out the earliest - the important thing is they have the smallest chance of winning.
Your last sentence is your subjective view layed out as common 'fact'. I dont see them definitely going out to real madrid over two legs at all.
I mean, they have the smallest chance of winning if they go out in the earliest possible round.
What? The earlier they go out the less chance of winning they have.
No not at all. Lyon and Monaco were part of a stronger french league and were rivals for the title. Deportivo were also much stronger back then, being regulars in the top 3/4 of La Liga. Manchester United speaks for itself.
FK Partizan is basically a 'bye'. Compare this to Liverpool who had two byes in Maribor and Spartak, followed by a team from a feeder league in the r16. Then they faced their first top team.
Add to this that Porto were made from almost all homegrown players, and that CL win is a fantastic achievement. The last time a team not from the 'Big 5' won the CL was Porto.
Yeah well thats obvious. It goes without saying that I dont want them to advance and want them out the earliest as possible.
So why are you saying it doesn't matter if they get to the final?
Now you’re contradicting yourself
What im saying is just theyd have a 50/50 chance against Real over two legs and Maybe a 40/60 chance against Real in a final.
hmmm? Like I say contradicts yourself
No, youve just not listened to my posts about how they have a good chance against Real over two legs and a less chance against them in a final. To me Real Madrid is the team to beat to win CL and will of course beat Bayern. So instead of a 50/50 chance in the semis id like a 60/40 chance for Real in a final. Simple. It doesnt mean that I dont want Liverpool out as soon as possible against Roma.
Liverpool have a much better chance of beating anyone over a single game than they do over two legs because it's a shorter time-frame. The same is true for any underdog.
Exactly. Anything can happen in a one off game at a neutral ground (see 2005/2012*. *actually at the Allianz, which proves my point even more as Chelsea, the worst team to ever win that competition, alongside Liverpool, did it at the home stadium of Europe's best team that season), whereas over two legs, where Liverpool have to go to the Bernabeu, the outcome is weighted far more in favour of Madrid.
Anyone wanting Liverpool to beat Roma or win the Champions League isn't a United fan. Having to say that is crazy but I see that type of sentiment amongst many. "Good for British football". No it isn't. It's shit for us and that's all that counts.
"Supported" that fecking Vermin shite twice in my lifetime. 95 against Blackburn and 2010 against Chelsea. Anyone in here supporting the "Harold Shipman is our hero" filth when it's not directly benefitting United is either not a United-fan or mentally ill
Pretty sure it’s an inbred joke, valiant attempt, needs a lil work though.
Cheering on Liverpoop... I don't understand how it can be a 42 pages long thread. The only reason I'd hope they win is if it means we'd win something if they beat another team. Or if we extend a lead and they're not a contender.
The sooner they're out of a competition, the better. When they met City it felt like choosing between anal cancer and AIDS... I don't like City one bit, but rather them than Liverpool
The sooner they're out of a competition, the better. When they met City it felt like choosing between anal cancer and AIDS... I don't like City one bit, but rather them than Liverpool
This.
Just to clarify and get some opinions to think off, if liverpool had already won against say someone crap like west ham the day before and were ahead in the title race by two points after that on the last day of the season against say chelsea who were playing us and had to win to take the title off liverpool, which if they did would cost us a Champions League place, would you lot be cheering every chelsea goal in the match thread and completely forgetting that you were actually hardcore United fans or continuing to support United unconditionally even though it would allow the scouse cnuts to take the league? I know if I was put in that position, I would take the United win and allow the subsequent consequences to happen afterwards, as I could never be able to support a rival team against United. Admittedly though, I did support blackpool on the final day of 2011 against us as I wanted them to stay up and wolves to go down.
P.S. I know final day matches always take place at the same time, but this is just a hypothetical post to gauge some of your opinions about cheering on those scouse cnuts and supporting United.
P.S. I know final day matches always take place at the same time, but this is just a hypothetical post to gauge some of your opinions about cheering on those scouse cnuts and supporting United.
Just put £50 quid on Liverpool to win it (was tempted to make it 100)! Literally just to take the edge off in case they actually do. Obviously unbeaten Barca would capitulate to Roma, and obviously Liverpool would draw them
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