Why is there still a myth that Arsenal play good Football?
Champions League Semi Finals (24th April - 2nd May)
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Why is there still a myth that Arsenal play good Football?
Wait, what? First you say Bayerns chances were kind of lucky or bad defending (this is exactly what is on point for both Real goals, too!) and then you say Real scored 2 "good goals"?!
Not biased at all A tight affair is a good thing. It keeps them on their toes for the final.
well playing with Bayern when they are missing Vidal, Alaba, Robben, Boateng, Coman etc is not exactly due to their quality.
Same thing with Juve without Pjanic and Benatia in the first leg and PSG without Neymar, not to talk about the fact that in one leg the referee does not see a last minute penalty against and in the other he does in favour.
There is no denying they are an incredible team and that they always stay in the game even when overplayed as it happened at times with PSG, Juve and Bayern, but even though it is not just luck, they have that in good quantity
A bit off topic, but is it just me who's more impressed with Ronaldo's first goal against Juve rather than his overhead kick?
Just watch the video there, the Juve defender and Benzema both go for the ball and tumble whilst Ronaldo anticipates that scramble and goes for it like hes possessed. He accelerated 4-5 yards to get in front of two players and stuck the ball in the opposite corner, outside of the boot. I mean the predatory instinct is through the fecking roof there. Not only the desire to get to ball, and get something on it, but also to finish it like he did - is simply astonishing. He had no right to score that goal imo.
Just watch the video there, the Juve defender and Benzema both go for the ball and tumble whilst Ronaldo anticipates that scramble and goes for it like hes possessed. He accelerated 4-5 yards to get in front of two players and stuck the ball in the opposite corner, outside of the boot. I mean the predatory instinct is through the fecking roof there. Not only the desire to get to ball, and get something on it, but also to finish it like he did - is simply astonishing. He had no right to score that goal imo.
How was "the world class" Ramos doing? Is he going to solve our backline problem?
I sometimes wonder if people actually watch games when coming up with nonsense like that. Bayern just couldn't score to save their lives and Lewa should hang his head in shame.Wait, what? First you say Bayerns chances were kind of lucky or bad defending (this is exactly what is on point for both Real goals, too!) and then you say Real scored 2 "good goals"?!
After watching the Bayern - Real game, I just wondered if anyone thinks Liverpool has got a good shot at defending the CL next year, if they can keep their key players 
Bayern were so wasteful tonight, they could've scored 5 or 6. Can't really see them troubling Real Madrid at the Bernabau next week.
So what's wrong with posting the stats then? You have just expressed the same thing, just with words instead of numbers.
The point about Arsenal is based on nothing.
I don't know what kind of answer this is. First of all I never mentioned the word "brilliant".
Second, if I apply some of your methods on some well remembered teams of the past I can make them look very bad too. Did you know Bayern only won one league in the first three European Cups? Did you know they finished 10th in the German league when they won their third one?
Then you choose the odd game with Illarramendi and without Ronaldo at Dortmund (superb team btw) after a 3-0 advantage to prove what exactly? Did you watch the first game? Because in terms of chances Real Madrid were far superior in it. Plus 9-2 aggregate score vs Schalke, 5-0 aggregate score vs Bayern, 4-1 vs Atletico. You get saved by a goal you look for the last 20 minutes with Isco and Marcelo coming in to make the team super offensive? I guess that makes Man United 99 lucky and non brilliant too? Flawless.
Seriously enough, it's hard to take this kind of posts seriously.
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It's a possibility but not a realistic one. I know it's just one game and anything can happen in the finals but the gap between the Liverpool and Real/Bayern squads in terms of quality is huge. For starters, their midfield which includes mighty Henderson, a 32 years old Milner and mid-table at best level Wijnaldum can not cope with the guys at Madrid. And the less said about their keeper and defence the better. Actually, other than a functioning rapid front 3 which mostly down to Salah, they have nothing to worry about. Their vulnerability at defending set-pieces is also a concern for them and has been for years even under Brendan. I'm sure Sergio Ramos would like that.
Agreed. That's my take one the subject too. Real are well ahead of everyone in as far as Champions League winning record is concerned (12 CL titles for the record
). Them winning another one almost changes nothing whereas Bayern won it 5 times (la) and are easier to catch for us. So, even though i strongly dislike these 'hala cnuts', "If we are not winning it, I’d rather Madrid to win it out of all the other big clubs." as you said.This really does feel like the weakest semi-final line-up we've seen for a while.
Even Real and Bayern have had much stronger sides in recent seasons. Liverpool are exciting but have clear weaknessed in key areas and Roma are a decent but ultimately second tier side.
Even Real and Bayern have had much stronger sides in recent seasons. Liverpool are exciting but have clear weaknessed in key areas and Roma are a decent but ultimately second tier side.
Agreed but everyone else before these lot were terrible including ourselves.
Real are lethal on the counter and clinical
Unfortunately the mistake from navas will also mean they will be all over DDG again
Sheesh, if its' gonna be Real, they need to sort out their fecking defensive issues. The 3-1 loss to Spurs doesn't bode well considering Liverpool are another energetic team and will play out of their skins in a CL Final.
Bald Messiah needs to save the world.
Bald Messiah needs to save the world.
I think so, yeah.
I'm afraid Liverpool might actually win the CL, an English team always wins one every 4-6 years since 1999.
Real Madrid is the weakest its been since 2015 and Bayern are the weakest they've been in years, probably since around 2011.
That being said, last year we had a strong real madrid and juventus in the semis, but a relatively second tier monaco, and a not quite as strong as in recent years atletico, year before we had an underperforming real madrid side that had somehow gotten to the semis, a very good atletico madrid, a terrible man city and a decent bayern. So overall I don't think this year is much weaker. Its just lacking a clear standout team (maybe not actually with the results madrid has been getting recently they ought to be favourites, much harder draw than liverpool has had). If Barcelona had beaten roma, then how strong would the semi finals line-up have been?
What a horrible match. The chances Bayern created they should've won by 2-3 goals, Lewandowski has been really poor in the UCL for Bayern. 2 goals in 7 semi-final matches now, and I can remember one of them being a useless goal against Barca when the tie was already over and the other was a free-kick against A.Madrid. He's wasted chances consistently at this level and maybe Bayern should get money for him while they can and find a more efficient striker who can deliver in the biggest matches.
The defence, even Rafinha bar the complusory f*ck up, were fantastic along with James and Martinez. Bayern need some serious shaping up to do in the summer to get back at the top, replacing Ribery (Martial?) and Robben should be the first priority.
That being said, this tie is far from over. We've seen from this year and last that the Bernabeu is certainly not impenetrable. Bayern were the better team today and if they take that as confidence for the 2nd leg, and be more clinical, then they may go through.
Edit: Just checked, the free kick was from Xabi. Lewandowski scored a header.
The defence, even Rafinha bar the complusory f*ck up, were fantastic along with James and Martinez. Bayern need some serious shaping up to do in the summer to get back at the top, replacing Ribery (Martial?) and Robben should be the first priority.
That being said, this tie is far from over. We've seen from this year and last that the Bernabeu is certainly not impenetrable. Bayern were the better team today and if they take that as confidence for the 2nd leg, and be more clinical, then they may go through.
Edit: Just checked, the free kick was from Xabi. Lewandowski scored a header.
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Pool are winning this, i have more hope in Bayern stopping them than Madrid. Madrid looked really poor last night, and against Juve they were helped by Ronaldo scoring a class goal when they were under the kosh then the red card. If you play Pool and are under the Kosh, you are going to pay the price. Also think since Jupp has experience facing Klopp he'll understand how important it is to adjust you're build up play against them while i expect Madrid to try to stroke it about which leads to a disaster. Madrid have dropped substantially in terms of effort in this season.
Yeah I struggle to remember a well worked attack from Bayern, everything good came from Ribery and a couple of times the ball bounced back to him after a failed dribble, the luck favored you in a couple of moments and yet you failed to capitalize on that. The goal you scored was pathetic and on the goalkeeper, Real on the other side scored a volley on the edge of the box( not sure how is that not a great goal) and a very good counter attack, while punishing a very bad mistake by Rafinha. You looked most dangerous from set pieces and considering how much you were on the ball, it shows you weren't good enough. Not biased at all.Wait, what? First you say Bayerns chances were kind of lucky or bad defending (this is exactly what is on point for both Real goals, too!) and then you say Real scored 2 "good goals"?!
Well missing a header (Ramos), getting beat the same way by Ribery 2-3 times is bad defending, and there were many situations where defending was appalling last night.
Well I can tell those to go feck themselves.
I have not watched a lot of Real and Bayern this season but I was a Little bit shocked about the Quality yesterday. Passing was horrible on both Ends and although the defending was sloppy pretty often the attacking Players were not able to create anything beside the Goals (2 of which were scored by defenders).
Bayern looked a bit stronger and were unlucky to lose but whoever will end up in the final Needs to up their game.
Otherwise Liverpool are going to win this Thing.
Bayern looked a bit stronger and were unlucky to lose but whoever will end up in the final Needs to up their game.
Otherwise Liverpool are going to win this Thing.
They're both sides in relative decline with reduced power in the transfer market. Bayern especially have to replace some big names soon.
It's good that these former super teams (inc Barca) are declining and the CL is starting to look more of a competition again though.
What the 2 games did is show a comparison of styles, & Spurs came out on top over the 2 matches. Doesn't mean it would happen in a one-off match of course. But I'm pretty sure if Real had gotten the better of Spurs in those group games, then I imagine your opinions of the results in group stages might take on a different relevance.
They have different roles to play in 2 different systems. Kroos & Modric are playmakers, whilst the roles of Henderson & Wijnaldum are to press, win the ball, & get it to the front 3 asap. All this comparing player for player is pointless. Man City have better players but it didn't mean that much over the 2 legs. If - & I emphasise the word 'if' - it's to be a Liverpool/Madrid final, the outcome will be decided on which system works best on the day.
Nobody said it's genius, but it's something they were relying on, which is perfectly reasonable considering they play away and took the chance when they had it. Firstly, you didn't capitulate on their mistakes considering the result, secondly you had the ball and the initiative but failed to create well worked chances and the attack looked very dysfunctional, with Muller and Lewandowski having an awful game.
Real's forwards yesterday just didn't have ball, they were super clinical.
On the other hand Bayern was just pointless in the box.
Real was like they didn't even care, leading 2-1 away in a semi-final of the CL they put an offensive player as RB, just because they could
On the other hand Bayern was just pointless in the box.
Real was like they didn't even care, leading 2-1 away in a semi-final of the CL they put an offensive player as RB, just because they could
Despite the mistake he made good saves in the second half
I wasn't impressed at all by Bayern players, except Ribery and Kimmich! Lewandowski reminds me of Zlatan he never show up in huge games with Bayern or with Poland.
Anyway we didn't play well but we did enough to win away once again, after winning in Paris and Turin so it's all good really. The 2nd leg should be interesting and I hope we will play better than we did last night, I'm pretty sure than Ronaldo will score next week, he must be really unhappy with his performance last night.
Anyway we didn't play well but we did enough to win away once again, after winning in Paris and Turin so it's all good really. The 2nd leg should be interesting and I hope we will play better than we did last night, I'm pretty sure than Ronaldo will score next week, he must be really unhappy with his performance last night.
Boateng is out, might even miss the world cup.
Step forward Sule. Big test for him, has to prove his potential now
Huge blow for Bayern and for Germany. Who will play for Germany in the WC instead of him then? Hoewedes or Mustafi?
I don't even wanna go into last nights game too much. Two quick things: To me, Bayern were the far better team, it's unfortunate to concede two goals like that while they had far better chances. Second, I think some people around here underestimate the level this game was played at. Not every time a pass is intercepted it's because of bad offense, sometimes it's just down to good pressing, closing the gaps, anticipating the pass - in short: good defense. And I think both teams did very well yesterday, up to the 60th minute it was a very exciting game, where it started to slow down a bit.
What I actually wanna write about is the assumption of some people around here that it isn't luck at this point if Real wins the Champions League three times in a row. If you just take some simple math into account, it becomes very clear that it must be luck. If you assume that Real has a 50% overall chance of winning the Champions League (already super unrealistic, because this means all the other teams combine for the other 50%), chances are (0.5)^3 = 0.125 or 12.5% to win it three times in a row (assuming all events are independent from each other, so winning it once doesn't increase chances to win it in the year after). This means that it's seven times as likely that the complementary event occurs: at least one other team wins the Champions League in those three years. And this is with the (ridiculous) assumption of Real having a 50% overall chance to win it. If you decrease Reals chances to 30% (probably still too high), the odds of them winning it three times in a row shrink to 2.7%. I'm curious to hear what others think.
What I actually wanna write about is the assumption of some people around here that it isn't luck at this point if Real wins the Champions League three times in a row. If you just take some simple math into account, it becomes very clear that it must be luck. If you assume that Real has a 50% overall chance of winning the Champions League (already super unrealistic, because this means all the other teams combine for the other 50%), chances are (0.5)^3 = 0.125 or 12.5% to win it three times in a row (assuming all events are independent from each other, so winning it once doesn't increase chances to win it in the year after). This means that it's seven times as likely that the complementary event occurs: at least one other team wins the Champions League in those three years. And this is with the (ridiculous) assumption of Real having a 50% overall chance to win it. If you decrease Reals chances to 30% (probably still too high), the odds of them winning it three times in a row shrink to 2.7%. I'm curious to hear what others think.
How big is that guy anyways? Remember seeing him in the huddle before the pk in the supercup and looked as big as lewandowski and renato sanches put together
Your team's much worse than last season. Maybe down to Vidal and Robben missing? You played at twice the pace last season, with more quality. James and Ribery are about the only guys who played well among your attackers
Guessing Sule. He's probably their third best CB anyways and already plays with Hummels
I don't think the argument is that they haven't had any luck en route to winning two (and possibly three) CLs in a row, it's that this level of consistent achievement in Europe demonstrates the caliber of team they are. To flip your argument, instead of starting with Real's chance to win a given tournament, start with the scenario of them having won three in a row and estimate what their odds for a given tournament are likely to be. The only conclusion is this is a team head and shoulders above everyone else when it comes to the Champions League knockout stages.
2016-17:
Scored in both games vs Arsenal in round of 16
Scored in QF against Madrid
2015-16:
Scored in round of 16 against Juventus
scored in Semi finals vs Atletico Madrid
2014-15:
Scored in round of 16 against Shakhtar
scored in QF against Porto
scoredin SF against Barca
2012-13:
Scored in round of 16 against Shakhtar
scored in QF against Malaga
scored 4 in SF against Madrid
These are just from knock out competition in Champions league. If we include big games like Dortmund in league or group stages then he has scored so many goals against big teams.
Absolutely not. The thought gives me chills. Worst defender in the league.
Just have to pray Boating is alright. Would be nice for Germany to go into a WC without losing a key player a month prior for once.