Real Madrid? Oh you mean hala madrid. Something the mods stuck on me when we were unlucky 2 years ago in the CL final. You do care by the way. The loss has you giddy.
Champions League Round of 16 (18th Feb - 8th Aug)
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For Liverpool Klopp has never lost a two legged tie to any available opponent and also won the CL. That Chelsea side lost two CL semis to an inferior Liverpool side. That Arsenal never won the CL.
But ok.
I sincerely don’t give a s*** about your team mate. Do I go to a Liverpool forum? Definitely not. So yeah, I don’t give a s***.
Mourinho must be the most overrated, overpaid, incompetent humanbeing on the surface of the earth. Thought that the Spurs are much more clever than that, hiring him. Got a great development the last years. But with Mourinho it will all go downwards. I hate RB, but i will enjoy watching Nagelsmann whiping the floor with him and his horrible football.
Love all the criticism of Mourinho and at the end of the day Spurs are playing almost exactly the same way they did for pretty much the last year under Pochettino
Between injuries and lack of players spurs haven't had a working midfield since 17/18
Between injuries and lack of players spurs haven't had a working midfield since 17/18
Whole Atalanta team cost less than 1 yr of wage of Jones and Lingard
Look at the piss poor quality Liverpool have played against though? Old deteriorating team.
If you get any one of those teams in there absolute primes! Especially United under Sir Alex who were just a superior side all around and had a much better coach this Liverpool team just wound not stack up well against them.
They are winning and credit to them but this is one of the weakest EPL in a LONG time. Every traditional top club is rebuilding or just a shadow of what they once were and the only real threat to Liverpool is injury depleted.
It’s a good Liverpool team but man are they far off from the best EPL sides ever.
I swear opposition fans forget this is a Manchester United forum at times.
So, over three different campaigns Liverpool haven’t beaten anybody any good but have reached three finals? Two CL and one EL.
Klopp doesn’t lose over two legs yet every decent team from the past (including sides that never won the CL) are better.
We’re reaching peak denial right now.
so do I, tbh
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This Liverpool team isn't the best EPL side ever. They have some way to go but they are on the right trajectory.
Man. Utd may have been great domestically, but they were poor in Europe. Imagine such a superior team only managed to win two Champions league in over twenty years period.
Anyway, let's see if this Liverpool team can win some more titles both domestically and in Europe
People are letting Pep off the hook too much. He knew Kompany was going and that Laporte was his only reliable CB after that, but he didn't act. Now they've paid the price for it. They had the resources to go and get another CB if they wanted to.
Going into this season with three recognized CB's whilst trying to compete in four competitions was daft.
We had to compete against a prime Messi twice and lost 2 finals on top of our first final won.
Prime Messi was 2014/2015.
This myth that United got beaten by prime Messi/Barcelona needs to stop. They lost to Chelsea and Inter FFS.
Also the Messi of 2011/2012 (when they got knocked out by Chelsea) was better than the Messi that beat United.
United have been historically poor in Europe compared to domestically.
Compare this to Liverpool who reach a CL Final every 2-3 seasons that they are actually involved in since CL started.
2006-2007 Semi-final vs Milan
2007-2008 Champion vs Chelsea
2008-2009 Final vs Barcelona
2009-2010 Quarter-final vs Bayern
2010-2011 Final vs Barcelona
That's a team that did 3 finals, won once and 1 semi-final and 1 quarter-final in 5 years.
That team was doing well.
For Barcelona, we see:
2006-2007 R16 vs Liverpool
2007-2008 Semi-final vs United
2008-2009 Champion vs United
2009-2010 Semi-final vs Inter
2010-2011 Champion vs United
After that, they do semi-final x2, QF, and then the last title vs Juventus.
Are you really saying that was not peak Barcelona then? And isn't peak Barcelona correlated to a peak Messi?
Or is Messi only on the peak when he doesn't play United, because no way United could have beat them or anything? What is that logic really?
We did very well during those 5 years, and Barcelona was doing fine as well.
Messi's peak was 2014-2015.
Look at the entirety of it, for all the success United has domestically, they've done poorly in Europe. Peak Barcelona is just an excuse....United had 20+ years of continuous participation in the CL while winning the same amount of CLs as Liverpool have had in like 7 years of CL during that time.
I remember when Liverpool were playing against mighty teams like Sporting last century. Shame they've become piss poor in Europe and in their own country.
Listen if you want to talk about how shit Sporting is then I’ll fecking join you TRUST ME!
That don’t got anything to do with the fact that this Liverpool team is not even close to being the best team in the history of the league.
This is why people didn’t want Liverpool to win for so long. They are like the cowboys, the fans are unbearable. You guys win one I repeat ONE league title in THIRTY years where you guys spent most of the time in the last 10 years in the mid table then fighting for a trophy and just like that this is the greatest team in the history of the league?
Like come on guys, get a grip.
That Barcelona team was the greatest football side I've ever seen and widely regarded as the best club team ever. Any team can have freak results. That's a silly way to demean them (and of course us). They were and remain on a different level to anything I've seen.
We've not won any PL yet.
That Barcelona team was the greatest football side I've ever seen and widely regarded as the best club team ever. Any team can have freak results. That's a silly way to demean them (and of course us). They were and remain on a different level to anything I've seen.
Which Barcelona team?
Do you understand that I was comparing Barcelona 09/10, Barcelona 10/11 and Barcelona 11/12? Somehow I feel you couldn't understand my point and lumped them all into Pep's Barcelona being the greatest football side you've ever seen.
Going that way, there is a strong argument nowadays that Real Madrid's side that won 3 CLs in a row, 4 CLs in 5 years, is probably a stronger team though at least in Spain.
We played Pep's Barcelona in both finals.
Which Barcelona team?
Do you understand that I was comparing Barcelona 09/10, Barcelona 10/11 and Barcelona 11/12? Somehow I feel you couldn't understand my point and lumped them all into Pep's Barcelona being the greatest football side you've ever seen.
Going that way, there is a strong argument nowadays that Real Madrid's side that won 3 CLs in a row, 4 CLs in 5 years, is probably a stronger team though at least in Spain.
And no, Barcelona were better.
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I'm comparing individual seasons of Pep's Barcelona you absolute tool....and your second statement is subjective.
It's a widely accepted fact that Pep's Barca and his frankly unplayable tiki-taka style of football was among the greatest ever to play the game. Any argument to the contrary is weak at best.
And United faced that side twice in the CL final. I'd say that's rather unfortunate.
Meanwhile, Liverpool found themselves faced with one of the weakest Spurs sides of the last decade or so. That you got comfortably beaten by Real the year before is no coincidence.
Again, you can't read properly. Where did I say they weren't one of the greatest sides ever to play? The dispute was if THEY WERE the greatest side ever not if they were AMONG the greatest sides to ever play.
Liverpool also played Barcelona and Bayern Munich in 2019 and in 2005, Chelsea who won the league by a huge margin, Juventus the champions of Serie A and one of the greatest sides ever in AC Milan of 2004/2005.
You're splitting hairs to suit your agenda.
That Barca side under Pep was the greatest of all time in my 'subjective' opinion. The one Liverpool beat last season pales by comparison in every department.
Promotions like yours should make the mods introspect given you don't seem to be capable of forming a half baked argument let alone a full grown one. Pep's teams across that period is considered one of the greatest club teams ever and by many the absolute greatest. Definitely the best I've ever seen. And yes it's subjective. Well done for pointing out the bleeding obvious for no apparent reason.
None of the teams Liverpool played in 2005 were anywhere near Pep's Barcelona. But continue with your Livepool love in, I suppose.
Pep's Barca were the best team I've seen but they weren't unbeatable at all. Inter and Chelsea knocked them out and plenty of teams came close during those 4 years.
It's not really a good excuse for United's underwhelming record in Europe.
It's not really a good excuse for United's underwhelming record in Europe.
He's not promoted!
Chelsea vs Bayern and Napoli vs Barca today.
Chelsea vs Bayern should be good one.
Chelsea vs Bayern should be good one.
Liverpool are winning this again.
Is that a jinx attempt?
If not then I’ll say that nothing in the CL this season supports that. Their European form hasn’t been good. Let’s see if they’ll even make the quarter finals.
Inter v Ludogrets is going to be played behind closed doors at the San Siro. It will be extremely weird watching a Champions League knock out game in an empty stadium.
Hearing United's CL game also will be in an empty stadium.
Europa game, Juventus vs Inter will be played in empty stadium too, awful situation to be in. Derby game in empty stadium.
Can't see Chelsea getting anything out of this. Lampard will try to play his style but Chelsea are too inconsistent and Bayern just the overall better team so this can only go one way.
As shit as our football has been for the last 6,5 years I think that teams like Bayern would struggle much more against us than against Chelsea.
I see Kovacic has scouted Bayern well and already dropped some inside knowledge to the press:
“Their league isn’t as tough as the PL so Bayern will be better rested. But we will see, it will be a great game.”
“Their league isn’t as tough as the PL so Bayern will be better rested. But we will see, it will be a great game.”
Pretty sure Chelsea will get trashed tonight