Champions League Round of 16 (15th Feb - 16th Mar)
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This shows when people get outraged for finished second in the group before the draw has been made you look really silly. You should wait for the draw then complain if you get a harder tie. You can finish first in your group and get a harder game than finishing second,
The idea is that whatever team you draw, it beat beat the toughest team in their branch. Ultimately, in the final, you will supposedly meet the team that survived their bracket and thus proved to be the toughest team on that side of the tree. Don't overthink it, some branches are easier than others, yes. But to get into the final, you have to beat the best team. Or, as the case may be, they may have to beat you being the best.
They are going to have to redraw, apparently Manchester United wasn't included in any draw after they were mistakenly drawn against Villareal. So we were left with whoever was at the end which was PSG.
You couldn't make this up.
Has it actually been confirmed a redraw will happen?
True, it does increase your chances though.
Neymar will be knee deep in his sister around that time as well so we can count him out.
No, but I suppose it will get a lot of bad press if they don't.
To play PSG again next year?
But seriously, this is being redone yes? Us not being in Atletico pot changes the statistical likelihood of the entire remainder of draw
I mean they really have to redo it
Also decreases the likelihood of Atletico drawing Bayern.
If United dont protest and if its not re-drawn then its a complete farce.
Asking a sporting body to admit a mistake? They will sweep this under the rug and I do kind of understand why.
Can we as a club ask for a fecking clarification for this and for what happened?
So obvious it's fixed. fecking corrupt.
UEFA don’t care about bad press. All they care about is money.
But they weren’t were they? That’s the actual point, they seem to get piss easy draws every year.
It's outrageous! I do believe it was an honest mistake because it was anything but subtle. There needs to be a re-draw. No debate.
Shut up, Kevin.
Nonsensical point. Finishing first increases your chances of having a better opponent, especially if you had a hard group because you cannot get the same tough opponent again.
However, there's never any guarantee. This is like saying because you get hit by a car walking on the pavement, it makes no difference if you are walking on the pavement or the road.
If you've ever played FM you'd have an idea how mad you would be when you draw a top team in the 1/8 sandwiched between Chelsea and City. You'll have to run your 1st XI to the ground in that period then your squad will be plagued with injuries and suspensions. Of course except if you play City, Bayern, PSG.
The fatigue of your players is accumulated over an entire season and will considerably affect your players by the end of the season. So of course it helps a lot to get some easier draw. That phrase is completely bs mate.
I’d actually be almost as disappointed at United (if they don’t challenge it) as UEFA.
It’s not sour grapes or worrying about PSG (I’d be concerned about most opponents we could get at the moment) but about United demanding it’s done right and not just saying “oh…. ok then. No worries”
I don't fully understand that post tbh.
But I was talking more about the earlier rounds, not who you face by the time of the SF or Final. So I'm saying why would anyone really prefer to face Aston Villa or Liverpool in the 3rd round of the FA Cup when you could draw a non league team as Chelsea have? Or draw PSG in the CL last 16 when you could play a much easier opponent like Salzburg or Sporting?
PSG only defend with 8 men and you have Ralf now who should know how to use this to your advantage. To be honest i`d rather have PSG than Atletico.
That’s us out then. Premature talk of potentially winning the thing will be brought to an abrupt end.
Liverpool would already have made a statement about how the draw does not uphold the standards of fairness adhered to by the great people of Liverpool.
Why would then when they’ve got what they wanted - Ronaldo v Messi
We nearly beat them twice last year if it wasn't for the carelessness of Martial and Fred. Not the end of the world drawing PSG. It's just annoying that the other three English clubs had the easiest possible teams.
There's too much money at stake to not re-do it.
I get what you're saying, but the phrase doesn't factor all that in. It's really just saying that the presumption is the two best teams of that particular tournament, with all its storylines, are in the final. If that means you get lucky because the top two teams met early and one got eliminated, you'll face the toughest of the two. Just as an example. I think it's just a silly phrase and you don't need to put too much weight on it. This isn't FM, this is rl. And certain FMisms don't exist in quite the same way.
Also, is this the most convoluted, intransparent drawing method of all time or what? I got instantly confused, and so did the guy whose only job was to pull the right names and put them in a bowl for the actual draw. I don't mind the draw we have, but I would totally understand a redraw, he seemed to get confused who Manchester United and Manchester City are. Some of you guys should visit him and explain the difference.
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Im saying people crying about finishing second in the group should wait until the draw is made before complaining. How is that nonsense? Chelsea fans are now happy when Wednesday they were all crying.
We have finished first in our group several times and got harder draws. I think overall we have had easier draws when we have finished second in our group.
What a joke, we get the hardest team out of the English ones again! And this is the reason city always get far but can never handle the big teams because they hardly face them!
Chelsea's draws:
City's draws:
Liverpool's draws:
Man Utd draws:
| 12/13 | 13/14 | 14/15 | 15/16 | 16/17 | 17/18 | 18/19 | 19/20 | 20/21 | |
| Round 16 | Galatasary | PSG | PSG | Barcelona | Bayern | A. Madrid | |||
| QF | PSG | Porto | |||||||
| SF | A. Madrid | R. Madrid | |||||||
| Final | City |
City's draws:
| 12/13 | 13/14 | 14/15 | 15/16 | 16/17 | 17/18 | 18/19 | 19/20 | 20/21 | |
| Round 16 | Barcelona | Barcelona | Dynamo Kyiv | Monaco | Basel | Schalke 04 | R. Madrid | Borussia M. | |
| QF | PSG | Liverpool | Tottenham | Lyon | Borussia D. | ||||
| SF | R. Madrid | PSG | |||||||
| Final | Chelsea |
Liverpool's draws:
| 12/13 | 13/14 | 14/15 | 15/16 | 16/17 | 17/18 | 18/19 | 19/20 | 20/21 | |
| Round 16 | Porto | Bayern | A. Madrid | RB Leipzig | |||||
| QF | Man City | Porto | R. Madrid | ||||||
| SF | Roma | Barcelona | |||||||
| Final | R. Madrid | Tottenham |
Man Utd draws:
| 12/13 | 13/14 | 14/15 | 15/16 | 16/17 | 17/18 | 18/19 | 19/20 | 20/21 | |
| Round 16 | R. Madrid | Olympiacos | Sevilla | PSG | |||||
| QF | Bayern | Barcelona | |||||||
| SF | |||||||||
| Final |
I'd expect more bad press - certainly in England - if they did redraw it tbh.
I'd imagine most are delighted to see the other 3 English clubs get 'easy' draws and United get a killer. And redrawing it because 'two of the wealthy teams drew each other' will probably get more sneery comments and accusations of a fix than letting the draw stand.
They should 100% redraw it, but I'd be surprised if they did.
EDIT: I'd forgotten about the Atletico v Bayern draw, and how they'd also be unhappy about the United ball error. There's more of a chance of a redraw with 4 teams affected. Fingers crossed.
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Better than a boring deadrubber match against Sporting Zekelsburg
Who do we play if we get pass PSG?