Of course they do: it's a clear penalty. An extremely stupid one and I don't think it's wrong not to give it, but it's a penalty and the rules cover it: handball in the penalty area.
Champions League — quarter-finals and semi-finals draw
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You know what’s against the spirit of the game? Touching the ball with your hands.
Clearly the refs whistle caused some confusion. Penalizing that misunderstanding isn't in the spirit of the game.
Maybe Arsenal‘s precious little players shouldn’t be so easy to confuse.
Now I hope Bayern gets knocked out because the whining about something that most would define as sensible and sportsmanlike is insufferable. You don't get this kind of nitpicking when players throw each other the ball carelessly when preparing for a throw in or for playing a free kick because there's a general understanding that it's ok as long as it isn't used to gain an advantage or waste time. If we followed your precious rules instead of why they exist, most of these occurrences would be fouls and the game would be stupid.
Madrid have it all to do. City haven't lost at home in an age. Last year there was a draw in the Bernabau and City ended up winning 4-0. Pretty certain City will go through.
Missed City’s arrival last night.
And I thought Liverpools cream suits at the Cup Final were bad.
This should make it 116 charges.
And I thought Liverpools cream suits at the Cup Final were bad.
This should make it 116 charges.
What an annoying video.
Not really. The referee identified the act of confusion and decided to play on. It didn’t affect the game, but would have ruined the game if it was given. You can understand why the decision was made, but it’s still ignoring the rules.
Alas only the greatest win at the Bernabeu.
By that example you could ask why people complain about penalties not being given because they don't get that kind of nitpicking for a free kick. The point of it being a penalty is exactly why they were complaining and you can't compare it to a free throw. And refs nitpick all the time over some issues that can be frustrating, like the ball not moving before a free kick, so you can ask why they didn't nitpick here when it's far more impactful.
Even as a Spurs fan I don't really want to see a pen given for something so silly and inconsequential, even if by the rules it should be a pen. I've seen similar happen at free kicks before and no one cares.
Kane's never taken a pen like that in his life, I think that really threw Raya off.
Re the pen incident. If it was a clear and obvious error in the box that could lead to a pen I’m surprised they didn’t or would have thought VAR should get involved to tell the ref to check the incident
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This seems really low for Madrid somehow. The Rodrygo goal was a decent chance, Vinicius and Rodrygo had three other pretty good opportunities between them, Bellingham had one with his left, etc. Don't really see how that's only 0.70 xG. City's makes more sense to me.
Rodrygo had two players including the GK standing close right in front of him, I don't think it would rank high in xG.
Come on these are professional footballers. The game was stopped. The ref blew his whistle to restart and the keeper kicks him the ball. He then picks it up like a moron. It's really stupid but it's a penalty.
I'm sure everyone here would be very cool with getting this pen against their team and shrug it off 'them's the rules'
Well you'd be fuming at the player, not the referee.
Next time one of our defenders has a complete brainfart and fails to track a run in behind, hope the goal is called out on account of a “school boy error”. We make plenty per game so should benefit us big time.
Absolutely. Maybe if we don’t want „kid‘s mistakes“ in a quarter final of the champions league, the players shouldn’t act this dimwitted. The defender screwed up. He should face the consequences. Otherwise we can just abolish the rules altogether and only blow the whistle when we feel like it.
Well that was the whole point. Kane said afterwards he'd watched videos, noticed Raya had a tendency to jump early and so changed his technique to try and catch him out.
The ref didn't have to whistle to restart the match in that situation. Thinking that the ref actually stopped it again is a honest mistake everybody could do. Also I didn't disagree that by the rules it's a penalty, I just said that it shouldn't be.
That's how I see it as well. A referee who gives a penalty here has no business being on a football pitch and needs to apply for an administrative job. This ref should be praised for understanding the spirit of the sport rather than following the rules like a robot when there wasn't a single Bayern player close to the action.
He didn't "have to", but absolutely could and there's several situations where refs do blow (where they want to highlight that play should be restarted). That Arsenal's player was "confused" is entirely irrelevant. Also, it doesn't particularly look like he's confused tbh, looks more like he just he'd decided that he was gonna take the kick and just picked it up.
Also, it "affecting the game" or spoiling it is ridiculous. If an Arsenal player scores a ludicrous own goal in an unopposed situation, would you just decide to discard it cos it's a schoolboy's error? Where do you draw the line? It's a CL quarter final, there shouldn't be schoolboy errors, and if they are, they should be punished.
Players should be penalised for not understanding the rules.
No he doesn't look confused (and I never said he did), he just misunderstood what the whistle meant and wanted to put the ball to kick it when the game was started again.
I will celebrate the day a ref doesn't give a yellow out of common sense when a player removes his shirt after scoring a 95th minute winner.
Until then I won't believe that there's such a thing in football. The player fecked up, the ref fecked up not spotting it and fecked up even worse with his explanation. Should we not whistle fouls in youth games? All kids mistakes, after all.
(and I don't even like Bayern )
*then again ill take this not being a penalty and Saka's not being a penalty over a hypothetical ref who whistles both.
Until then I won't believe that there's such a thing in football. The player fecked up, the ref fecked up not spotting it and fecked up even worse with his explanation. Should we not whistle fouls in youth games? All kids mistakes, after all.
(and I don't even like Bayern
)*then again ill take this not being a penalty and Saka's not being a penalty over a hypothetical ref who whistles both.
Wasn't there a substitution and he had to whistle to signal the continuation of play? Anyways, it is water under the bridge now.
It's in the spirit of the game not to blow for a penalty. Ridiculous from the Bayern board to complain about it
Awesome to have this spirit of the game criteria to just decide to not apply rules when you feel like it. Can't wait to see more of its applications!It's in the spirit of the game not to blow for a penalty. Ridiculous from the Bayern board to complain about it
It’s in the spirit of the game to follow the rules. Maybe we just start with that.
What I don't get is people saying that it'd be without honor to get a penalty like this. At the same time Havertz and Saka could've picked up yellows for diving/cheating yesterday. The same fans talking about "not in the spirit of the game" would've happily received those penalties for their team. How sportsmanlike is it to cheat to get penalties and goals? Bayern aren't at fault for Gabriel grabbing the ball with his hands. Arsenal are for their players throwing themselves to the ground to trick the referee.
A yellow card would do it in that situation.
Spirit of the game?!?! The other 17 Bundesliga clubs are going to laugh at that!
So just making up rules as you go along now?
Thomas Müller: „The referee saw it clearly. The mistake was just too stupid for him to award a penalty. But it's not his decision to make. The referee is there to enforce the rules. Even if you may not be satisfied with the rule.“
Bayern manager and fans being shameless, why don't your team go out and win the game against Arsenal as they've done many times before instead of begging for unsportsmanlike penalties on a technicality.
Yeah someone else confirmed that he stopped the game for a substitution so he did need to blow to whistle to restart the game.
This is not really an outlandish situation which you'd expect a player to get confused by. It's bizarre to just let him away with it. As @Rooney in Paris says where do we draw the line if we're going to arbitrarily let players away with silly mistakes?
Not giving the pen because "it's a Champions League quarter final" is a wild thing to admit by the ref. Does that mean he'd give it in a league match? In a group game?
Madness. Its a pen (or not) regardless of the game.
Madness. Its a pen (or not) regardless of the game.