Hurricane Harvey.
Everyone who did something wrong will likely be exposed in the weeks ahead.
Celebrity Allegations, #MeToo etc
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Everyone who did something wrong will likely be exposed in the weeks ahead.
Shit, he actually seemed to be a news person who was genuinely respected in the States
WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT OF SEXUAL ASSAULT!!!!
Has he been jailed yet?
Has he been jailed yet?
"All of us, including me, are coming to a newer and deeper recognition of the pain caused by conduct in the past, and have come to a profound new respect for women and their lives"
What horseshit. Most people already know how not to sexually harass people. Groping women isn't a "we can all learn a lesson here" problem, it's a "I'm a scumbag who doesn't know how to behave around women" problem.
What horseshit. Most people already know how not to sexually harass people. Groping women isn't a "we can all learn a lesson here" problem, it's a "I'm a scumbag who doesn't know how to behave around women" problem.
Amazing how this new recognition dawned with the threat of unemployment.
They can just get the guy who plays Oscar to fill in, they look very similar.
This.
Well said. The nauseating hypocrisy of these guys compounds the original offence:
Weinstein: 'I so respect women'
Franken: 'I respect women. I don't respect men who don't.'
Now that pile of foul-smelling manure from this PBS guy. And Ben Affleck wants to be 'part of the solution'. Note to Ben: There wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't for assholes like you.
"nobody respects women more than me"
I share these sentiments as well. Really admire the guy and his work as a journalist.
That's gotta be Trump.
These guys are so brazen. Both hands in the cookie jar, face covered with butter cream and jam: "I thought it was whole-grain bread!"
Yeah I too wish all these accusers would stop speaking up.
your colleague is a moron
Nah, there seems to be 2 strands to this, one where real actual sexual abuse, harrasment, actually took place, and another where clumsy / inappropriate / desperate and unwelcome sexual approaches were made.
Its one thing to make a pass and have it thrown back in your face, its quite another to pursue someone who has made it clear they're not interested, or to threaten someone's livelihood unless they watch you jerk off.
"Not all of the allegations are accurate" is something I've noticed popping up in a lot of these apologies, even the ones in which they admit wrongdoing. Sounds like something they have to add in to protect them legally.
Could you name some people who only falls into this category, just curious.
Damn, Charlie Rose too!! Hope nothing comes against Larry David now..
When I was reading about the allegations against Tamber, Ed Norton's character in Birdman came straight to mind.
Literally every incident has been reported seems to fall in the actual sexual abuse/harassment category.
Horrible post.
Gene Simmons pointing to his dick rather than shaking hands??
Thats just a dinosaur being a dinosaur - who is world famous, in part for being a dinosaur!
Can it be harassment if it happens only once? Genuine question. If he'd done it again the day after then it'd be different.
"I only grabbed one tit, your honour"
That wouldn't be harassment though would it? Harassment implies, you know, being harassed.
Yes, of course it can.
The number of times he does it, doesn't really matter especially considering
1 - he did it to multiple women
2 - he denied doing it.
So because he did it once to one particular woman, that doesn't amount to harassment?
Weinstein - Accused by 80 different women of sexual harrassment, sexual assault and rape.
Franken - Accused by one woman (who just happens to be a hard right conservative with a book coming out) of pretending to grope her tits (without actually touching her) and sticking his tongue in her mouth during a rehearsal kiss. He says he doesn't remember events this way, and has called for an ethics investigation.
I see why you put them together, as they're clearly exactly the same..
Sounds like he is very well known for this and worse behavior. How else would you stop it?
That'd be assault.
A better question would be "I pretended to grab one tit your honour, but didn't actually grab a tit at all."
Franken is at 2/3 now.Weinstein - Accused by 80 different women of sexual harrassment, sexual assault and rape.
Franken - Accused by one woman (who just happens to be a hard right conservative with a book coming out) of pretending to grope her tits (without actually touching her) and sticking his tongue in her mouth during a rehearsal kiss. He says he doesn't remember events this way, and has called for an ethics investigation.
I see why you put them together, as they're clearly exactly the same..
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/20/politics/al-franken-inappropriate-touch-2010/index.html
https://pagesix.com/2017/11/20/new-...ow&utm_source=P6Twitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow
"Lightens up the workday, your honour, these prissy women have no sense of humour"
All these statements you see basically just scream out "It seems that I've been getting away with it for years but now people think it's wrong and I also do now..."
Another one.
The second allegation has been denied by the woman in question itself, saying it is part of a skit.
My while take on the current atmosphere is that this is a result of a media cycle persistently following sexual harassment stories. There has definitely been an epidemic in western countries of old men in powerful positions taking advantage of women. It has always been brushed under the carpet and that's why you see this ridiculous old dinosaur defence being trotted out. It is important to create an atmosphere where a powerful man would think twice before harassing someone since now the harassed person has the avenues to report the matter and be taken seriously.
But, like I have said before, in my personal opinion listing all the accusers in same umbrella is also not correct. Allegations against Affleck and Wiener for example are much much less severe than against Spacey. Similarly whilst Louie CK also crossed a line and should have been reprimanded much earlier, it is not quite as worse as Weinstein. Then you have some people like Piven still maintaining their innocence. Now, even though one may be inclined to believe the women who accessed him, one can not be cent percent sure that Piven is lying. Lynch first, ask questions later can not be an approach for all the cases here.
The "but they're not raping like x" is a pointless argument. No one is grouping the men because they committed the same crime, but because they were outed as part of the same movement. We don't need to say that rape is worse than groping, because we all already know that rape is worse than groping.
I agree with this mostly, especially about the need to not generalise and lump every accusation under the same umbrella.
However I don't think that's whats happening, I think we're just seeing a coming together of men and women who recognise that the current climate makes them more comfortable to speak out.
Unfortunately - the previous climate allowed for the victims to be most at risk of not being heard, which is why so many people were able to get away with their abuse for so long.
Now - while I certainly don't advocate for a lynch first, ask questions later policy, what we have been seeing in previous weeks is that the overwhelming majority of people who have been accused, have either admitted it, or certainly haven't denied it but rather denied remembering it taking place.
What that means is that the environment is certainly changing which is a fantastic thing.
Anyone who has been wrongfully accused should rightfully sue for libel and potential loss of earnings, however i'm not sure how many have strenuously denied claims being made against them so far?
If the reaction to all levels of (alleged or confirmed) offenses is the same, then it is not pointless. There is something wrong when alleged exposure is treated the same as alleged rape.
I wouldn't be surprised if Scientology is also rife with this stuff considering it's practically the cult of Hollywood.
Ah yes, the woman at the fair 7 years ago who claims he grabbed her butt while her husband took this photo:
She then went home and was so upset and violated that she posted the picture on Facebook (without any mention of said incident). She also 'can't remember' whether she went on to vote for him that year or not. She does recall however that she voted for Trump last election.
Seattle Times: