Celebrity Allegations, #MeToo etc

11101 said:
In any case this campaign is not about criminal acts. Its about any kind of harassment, which is far too loose a definition.
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This is the point i was trying to refer to, if this is about sexual assault and abuse then fecking A, its about time more awareness is given to the topic because its a massive issue and has sadly effected too many of my close friends. Sexual harassment is way to broad to be caught up in the same sentence as more serious offences and dilutes the message.

Regulus Arcturus Black said:
My mates sister once, steaming she was, stuck her hand down my boxers whilst I was kipping. Big girl too so couldn’t get her off, had to literally shout her brother awake from the other room to come wrestle her off.
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This is the type of scenario which happens to plenty of guys myself included, which really shows the slant towards the female spectrum on the debate. I've legitimately had a girl say to me "ive basically raped you" while i was in no state whatsoever to be consensual and essentially passed out, if it was the other way around i'm in court.
 
Kentonio said:
Except it isn't a wolf whistle on the street. Try asking the 5 closest women in your life what the worse incident they have experienced was. You might be surprised.
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Truth. And that in itself is why women are doing this. Often women aren't believed when they are the victim sexual assault/harassment, and to have the campaign belittled as "every girl who has ever been wolf whistled jumps on the bandwagon" is enough justification as to why women need this platform, because the severity is often underestimated.

Besides, women shouldn't have to tolerate being catcalled and whistled at anyway, even if it is not as severe as assault and rape.
 
I had a situation once where I was in a taxi after a night out and a friend of mine came into the car, we were both drunk but she just would not stop trying to kiss me, grabbing me all that, kept demanding I came back to her house but denied it and went home. Both me and the cab driver just laughed it off, but looking back I did think "That was not ok, if the tables were turned I'd beat getting my arse kicked by that same cab driver"

The girl text me the next day saying "sorry, i'm bi-polar and was having some crazy medication trip" Funnily enough the same girl is now the biggest feminist/womens right activist on my facebook so whenever she shares stuff about rape culture etc. it does piss me off.
*edit* I actually still have the message and she says and I quote "Sorry I tried to rape you" :lol: incredible.
 
Come on guys... A man can stop a "rape" at any given time. We have 10 times their strength.

There is a difference between man and women, so it should be treated differently.
 
Zarlak said:
Don't make that mistake, this is sexual harassment, not sexual assault. There's a gigantic difference - as deplorable as both are.
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I meant sexual assault. But there are obviously different degrees of assault, with some as simple as being inappropriately touched during a night out or back in middle school.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
No you don’t.

That’s like saying we’re faster than them when in fact a shit load of women, millions, are faster than you, just as millions are stronger than you and could kick your head in.
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Speak for yourself. Women need to be protected much more than men.

We are talking about 99.9% of normal population.

The only way a girl can beat you is if she fights for the UFC or something.
 
11101 said:
At least 2-3' doesn't sound very convincing and all 10 had charges laid I presume?

As a matter of fact I have had plenty up to and including a situation that would easily have been a rape charge had it been the other way around.

In any case this campaign is not about criminal acts. Its about any kind of harassment, which is far too loose a definition.
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Convincing you is very low on the list of shit I care about, but I said 2-3 because I know in 2 cases it definitely happened and in another I'm almost sure but they never came out and said 'I was raped'. This may come as a shock to you, but rape isn't something victims love to chat about.

As for the police thing, in one case it was when they were young and caused huge long term mental damage. I have no idea if the police were involved. In a second, I know she didn't call the police, because for some people they cope with this kind of brutalizations by refusing to accept any role as a victim, which includes going to the cops. The damage is still there, but buried under a deep layer of trauma.

As for the other people, I doubt if a single one went to the police. This isn't strangers trying to drag them into alleyways, this is people they know, be it family members, friends, co-workers etc, and reporting it means a whole added layer of stress and trauma.

Anyway, as I said you don't need to believe ransoms off the internet. Go ask the women closest to you for their experiences.
 
There'll be a wide range of ages, I'm sure. I was assaulted when I was 10. #metoo

George Owen said:
Speak for yourself. Women need to be protected much more than men.

We are talking about 99.9% of normal population.

The only way a girl can beat you is if she fights for the UFC or something.
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Does that logic of yours extend to being a kid where girls typically mature faster than boys?
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
No you don’t.

That’s like saying we’re faster than them when in fact a shit load of women, millions, are faster than you, just as millions are stronger than you and could kick your head in.
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Not sure why you’re taking so much issue. Generally speaking, men tend to be more athletic than women. Of course there are many exceptions and any reasonable person would be aware of that.
 
George Owen said:
Speak for yourself. Women need to be protected much more than men.

We are talking about 99.9% of normal population.

The only way a girl can beat you is if she fights for the UFC or something.
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I mean you are probably right in the physical aspect that, most men could overpower a woman. But in the case of all the Harvey Weinstein allegations, I don't think any of them have mentioned him physically forcing them to do something. A lot of it is all about power.

Your statement could just so easily be flipped on women that went to his hotel room. "They could have stopped it any given time, just walked away. " It's ignorant and wrong.
 
The strength argument is bollocks anyway when so much rape occurs when one of the parties is utterly ballbagged.
 
Buchan said:
What has that to do with it? You said, and I quote, "A man can stop a rape at any time."

That's a preposterous mode of thinking.
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I was answering to those that feel men need protection from women too... They are just being apologetic on the subject.

Statistics matters because, errmm check the numbers... Who gets raped and abused the most?
 
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Damien said:
Statistics that don't take into account the many who stay silent.
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A lot of kids are raped by priests or drug addict uncles, that's a reality.

Many remain silent sadly, true.

But in the grand scheme of things, you really think it's the fecking same with what women in general have to live with?
 
For those saying men suffer too, let me just ask you this: You're alone in an elevator and a woman you don't know gets in, are you immediately on your guard in case they act inappropriately towards you in a sexual way? How about if a man gets in?

The point isn't that only women get attacked, the point is that sexual harrassment and assault against women is so prevalent that women are almost expecting it as a part of normal life.
 
Yikes, already so many dodgy views in such a short thread.

Obviously this is more of an issue for women than it is for men. A browse through studies and statistics would confirm that, as would being remotely aware of the world around you.

That said, it's ridiculous to assume a man can stop a rape at any time. There are plenty of scenarios where that isn't the case, which is why sexual assault is also an issue for men. Just a less prevalent one.
 
You'd think that there are people in this thread perpetuating 'rape culture' the way some have waded in with their holier-than-thou views. I know of no man - friend, foe or indifferent - who'd be able to boast about raping or sexually assaulting a woman or girl without expecting to have his head kicked in for doing so. It's still the most taboo act imaginable, more frowned upon that murder. Nobody here is making light of it.
 
Moonred said:
Men giving examples are trying to prove exactly what? That this thing is equal or something? Shakes my fecking head.
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Does something need to be equal in order for it to be an issue? Do the 10 from group A need to just shut up and deal with it because 30 from group B also had it too and they outnumber them? Why do some people try to make this into a popularity contest every time. The act itself is equally abhorrent and the focus should be on that. Stop lessening the severity of an act on an individual just because it didn't happen to as many of them as it did to others. Down at an individual level, the damage to that person was still the same. You just essentally asked people 'so what that you can give examples of being sexually assaulted?' as if that isn't a horrible thing.
 
sullydnl said:
Yikes, already so many dodgy views in such a short thread.

Obviously this is more of an issue for women than it is for men. A browse through studies and statistics would confirm that, as would being remotely aware of the world around you.

That said, it's ridiculous to assume a man can stop a rape at any time. There are plenty of scenarios where that isn't the case, which is why sexual assault is also an issue for men. Just a less prevalent one.
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And the hashtag is about sexual harassment, there is literally nothing you can do to stop it other than educate the twats doing it.
 
Buchan said:
You'd think that there are people in this thread perpetuated 'rape culture' the way some have waded in with their views. I know of no man - friend, foe or indifferent - who'd be able to boast about raping or sexually assaulting a woman or girl without expecting to have his head kicked in for doing so. It's still the most taboo act imaginable, more frowned upon that murder. Nobody here is making light of it.
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The President managed.
 
Zarlak said:
Does something need to be equal in order for it to be an issue? Do the 10 from group A need to just shut up and deal with it because 30 from group B also had it too and they outnumber them? Why do some people try to make this into a popularity contest every time. The act itself is equally abhorrent and the focus should be on that. Stop lessening the severity of an act on an individual just because it didn't happen to as many of them as it did to others. Down at an individual level, the damage to that person was still the same. You just essentally asked people 'so what that you can give examples of being sexually assaulted?' as if that isn't a horrible thing.
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Wasn’t my point. I don’t think I needed to be explained that men can be harassed or assaulted too. If men posting ‘me too’ was doing it to educate that, it’s perfectly fine.

However, I got the feeling it was done to dilute the actual campaign. If not, I am happy to take it back.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
I stated quite clearly what I was trying to prove @Moonred, humans are pretty mingin creatures, especially when under the influence.

I also think there should be a crow bar separation between harassment and assault.
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Well it isn’t. Ofcourse your personal experience can vary and hence justifiable according to you.

The crowbar separation is there.
 
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