Celebrity Allegations, #MeToo etc

MadMike said:
Yeah, but someone needs to report them first eh? They don't just randomly investigate people without reason. And also the legal system has to hold up it's end. And that includes the plaintiffs.

How many times did Weisntein get taken to court only to settle outside of it? 6-7 was it? Which means one of two things:
a) Plaintiffs felt it was a case they wouldn't win or it would drag too long and thus opted to settle for damages. Or...
b) They were happy to take a huge payment and keep quiet thus allowing this predator to continue his nasty work.

I'm guessing here, but most cases must be falling under a). No one wants to be involved in lengthy litigation battle especially against someone with a lot more wealth and influence. Which is a problem of the legal system and a reason why people in Weinstein's position feel they are above the law. The b) category is just sad.
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Im sure its more a than b but in practice the two probably go together. Someone in that situation faces two options: a protracted battle against someone with almost limitless resources, who will drag your name through the mud, dig up every embarrassing secret you have that can be used to make you look "loose" or like you were "asking for it", or otherwise unreliable - like any former depression or use of drugs etc; go after family members as a way to pressure you to drop the case; and use their connections to ensure you never work in Hollywood again. Or, option 2, you take $100,000. Or $1m. Or whatever it is. Hard to blame someone for taking the easy way out if those were the options.
 
Adebesi said:
I can only assume the implication is that women are all gold diggers anyway, and are happy to prostitute themselves when it suits them but cry foul when it doesn't.
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Some of the posts in here just reinforce why women don't come forward in the first place.
 
Adebesi said:
Im sure its more a than b but in practice the two probably go together. Someone in that situation faces two options: a protracted battle against someone with almost limitless resources, who will drag your name through the mud, dig up every embarrassing secret you have that can be used to make you look "loose" or like you were "asking for it", or otherwise unreliable - like any former depression or use of drugs etc; go after family members as a way to pressure you to drop the case; and use their connections to ensure you never work in Hollywood again. Or, option 2, you take $100,000. Or $1m. Or whatever it is. Hard to blame someone for taking the easy way out if those were the options.
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Right, but the point stands it's not the job of the police alone to stop Weinstein. It takes a victim to file a report, the police to investigate and file charges, a judge and jury to stay impartial and a plaintiff that has, metaphorically speaking, the balls to stick their neck out and see it through to the end.
 
MadMike said:
Yeah, but someone needs to report them first eh? They don't just randomly investigate people without reason. And also the legal system has to hold up it's end. And that includes the plaintiffs.

How many times did Weinstein get taken to court only to settle outside of it? 6-7 was it? Which means one of two things:
a) Plaintiffs felt it was a case they wouldn't win or it would drag too long and thus opted to settle for damages. Or...
b) They were happy to take a huge payment and keep quiet thus allowing this predator to continue his nasty work.

I'm guessing here, but most cases must be falling under a). No one wants to be involved in lengthy litigation battle especially against someone with a lot more wealth and influence. Which is a problem of the legal system and a reason why people in Weinstein's position feel they are above the law. The b) category is just sad.
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You've answered your own question here.

Sassy Colin said:
How, without an allegation in the first place.
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Are you being facetious Colin? He has been reported previously, hence the hush money.
 
MadMike said:
But gave a different answer to you.
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He was evidently reported for sexual assault in the past, given the settlements. This often transpires when sexual predators are caught. Take Jimmy Saville, who was reported to multiple police departments without facing any charges whatsoever. "Why didn't the victims speak up?" should really be replaced with "why did no one listen?"

The no one being authorities, obviously. For as aware as the Emma Thomsons of the world are of abuse in Hollywood, they have feck all power against it.
 
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MadMike said:
Right, but the point stands it's not the job of the police alone to stop Weinstein. It takes a victim to file a report, the police to investigate and file charges, a judge and jury to stay impartial and a plaintiff that has, metaphorically speaking, the balls to stick their neck out and see it through to the end.
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Yes, I think that point does stand.
 
Expecting the police to actively hunt down sex pests is a fantasy, given that such behaviour is to be found to some degree everywhere. If a complaint is made they investigate, but since resources are limited they have to make some preliminary judgements about credibility, likelihood of a conviction etc., and, of course, no one should end up in court based on an unsubstantiated accusation made by a single other individual.

The police are not to blame. In this case, a selfish culture of compliance and complicity is to blame.
 
Will Absolute said:
Expecting the police to actively hunt down sex pests is a fantasy, given that such behaviour is to be found to some degree everywhere. If a complaint is made they investigate, but since resources are limited they have to make some preliminary judgements about credibility, likelihood of a conviction etc., and, of course, no one should end up in court based on an unsubstantiated accusation made by a single other individual.

The police are not to blame. In this case, a selfish culture of compliance and complicity is to blame.
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That, and, you know, a sex pest.
 
Synco said:
Without denying that women in positions of power can be absolute assholes too: I expect the main points here rather to be a) changing the social climate in Hollywood by dissolving a deeply encrusted tradition of alpha-male dominance, and b) differences in male/female socialisation when it comes to sexual aggression.

Don't really have a formed opinion on this, but I'm sure it's not as stupid as you assume.
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Did you watch tonights Newsnight and the men are all bestial comment by the man they had on ?

Mind-blowing sexist shite, unchecked and pretty outrageous except now it isn't.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
Your manners where impeccable my friend. I just don't agree with your evaluation.
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Okay, in that sense I'm pretty sure I'll continue to be dismissive of what appears to be your point. At the moment I don't really have much to add to what I've written in that post.
 
There has been some great journalism on show in light of this story breaking.

Kudos to all, and particularly those willing to go on record detailing their experiences.
 
Just one guy was exiled from there before. He gave out some DVD's of Oscar contenders that ended up online.

Piracy is really really bad.
 
Buchan said:
Hollywood: America's moral conscience.
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You aren't far wrong in this instance. Excesses, idolisation of youth and beauty, dodgy financial practices and of course, crimes.

Mario Puzo literally wrote about a Hollywood exec being a pedophile in the 40s and no one batted an eye.
 


She said she got banned from a Hollywood agency as a result.

"why didnt the women speak out earlier" etc
 
How the teachings of Islam could help us prevent more sexual abuse scandals

Harvey Weinstein is just another case of a powerful man abusing women because we live in a society that lets him get away with it, but we can change that

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  • Weinstein is a symptom of the greater disease of arrogance, unaccountability and societal apathy Getty

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...xual-assault-rape-womens-rights-a8001521.html
 
Mrs Smoker said:
How the teachings of Islam could help us prevent more sexual abuse scandals

Harvey Weinstein is just another case of a powerful man abusing women because we live in a society that lets him get away with it, but we can change that

  • harvey-weinstein.jpg
  • Weinstein is a symptom of the greater disease of arrogance, unaccountability and societal apathy Getty

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...xual-assault-rape-womens-rights-a8001521.html
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I love it when people cherry pick bollocks out of religous texts. This is nothing new and is more inline with Hollywoods rich history of rich older men in positions of power taking advantage of poorer young women to further their careers. The sexist attitude in film making is prevalent throughout even down to crew level.
 
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